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		<title>Comment on Aussie, aussie, aussie &#8230; fire, fire, fire by coollove</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/jonathan/2009/02/19/aussie-aussie-aussie-fire-fire-fire/comment-page-1/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>coollove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent site, keep up the good work. I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I’m glad I found your blog. Thanks,
A definite great read........
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flightstoperth.com.au&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;flights to perth&lt;/a&gt;--flights to perth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent site, keep up the good work. I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I’m glad I found your blog. Thanks,<br />
A definite great read&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
<a href="http://www.flightstoperth.com.au" rel="nofollow">flights to perth</a>&#8211;flights to perth</p>
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		<title>Comment on www.rupertmurdoch.twit by Keith is not my real name</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/jonathan/2009/10/08/www-rupertmurdoch-twit/comment-page-1/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith is not my real name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you should contribute more Heir Frog ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you should contribute more Heir Frog <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/jonathan/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-wink.png' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on www.rupertmurdoch.twit by Keith is not my real name</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/jonathan/2009/10/08/www-rupertmurdoch-twit/comment-page-1/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith is not my real name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+5 years and I doubt Mr Murdock will be around(literally). Focus on the son</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+5 years and I doubt Mr Murdock will be around(literally). Focus on the son</p>
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		<title>Comment on www.rupertmurdoch.twit by Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/jonathan/2009/10/08/www-rupertmurdoch-twit/comment-page-1/#comment-463</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan: It&#039;s going to get worse, a point his shareholders might care to think about. At his age his brain isn&#039;t going to get any better and his mum just hit a hundred the other month!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan: It&#8217;s going to get worse, a point his shareholders might care to think about. At his age his brain isn&#8217;t going to get any better and his mum just hit a hundred the other month!</p>
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		<title>Comment on www.rupertmurdoch.twit by Keith is not my real name</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/jonathan/2009/10/08/www-rupertmurdoch-twit/comment-page-1/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith is not my real name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its been awhile Mr Green... just saying ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its been awhile Mr Green&#8230; just saying <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/jonathan/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-wink.png' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on www.rupertmurdoch.twit by Malcolm Street</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/jonathan/2009/10/08/www-rupertmurdoch-twit/comment-page-1/#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He comes across in the article as a grumpy old man off with the fairies.  It&#039;s sad, really, the last great battle of many of his career and he just doesn&#039;t recognise he can&#039;t win it the way he won the old battles, the world has changed beyond his control.  Cue Don Quixote (or Citizen Kane?).

I thought the most interesting part was:

&quot;Murdoch’s son-in-law Matthew Freud—married to Elisabeth Murdoch, and one of the most well-known P.R. men in the U.K.—explained to me what he believes is the essence of Murdoch’s approach to business: Murdoch is not a modern marketer. He runs his business not on the basis of giving the consumer what he wants but through more old-fashioned methods of structural market domination. His world, and training ground, is the world of the newspaper war—a zero-sum game, where you wrestle market share from the other guy. Curiously, his newspaper battles have most often involved cutting prices rather than, as he now proposes to do on the Internet, raising them. (Murdoch has contributed as much as anyone, with his low-priced papers, to the expectation that news is a de-valued commodity.)

....

In the Murdoch view, media only really works as a good business if it achieves significant control of the market—through pricing, through exclusive sports arrangements, through controlling distribution (he has spent 20 years trying to monopolize satellite distribution around the world).&quot;

Now he thinks he can control the Internet...  King Canute?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He comes across in the article as a grumpy old man off with the fairies.  It&#8217;s sad, really, the last great battle of many of his career and he just doesn&#8217;t recognise he can&#8217;t win it the way he won the old battles, the world has changed beyond his control.  Cue Don Quixote (or Citizen Kane?).</p>
<p>I thought the most interesting part was:</p>
<p>&#8220;Murdoch’s son-in-law Matthew Freud—married to Elisabeth Murdoch, and one of the most well-known P.R. men in the U.K.—explained to me what he believes is the essence of Murdoch’s approach to business: Murdoch is not a modern marketer. He runs his business not on the basis of giving the consumer what he wants but through more old-fashioned methods of structural market domination. His world, and training ground, is the world of the newspaper war—a zero-sum game, where you wrestle market share from the other guy. Curiously, his newspaper battles have most often involved cutting prices rather than, as he now proposes to do on the Internet, raising them. (Murdoch has contributed as much as anyone, with his low-priced papers, to the expectation that news is a de-valued commodity.)</p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
<p>In the Murdoch view, media only really works as a good business if it achieves significant control of the market—through pricing, through exclusive sports arrangements, through controlling distribution (he has spent 20 years trying to monopolize satellite distribution around the world).&#8221;</p>
<p>Now he thinks he can control the Internet&#8230;  King Canute?</p>
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		<title>Comment on www.rupertmurdoch.twit by RICK68</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/jonathan/2009/10/08/www-rupertmurdoch-twit/comment-page-1/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>RICK68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AS for Insiders, it should be re-named Onesiders, Bolt and Akerman, singing from the same hymn book-------Fox News aka to Rupert Murdoch&#039;s requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AS for Insiders, it should be re-named Onesiders, Bolt and Akerman, singing from the same hymn book&#8212;&#8212;-Fox News aka to Rupert Murdoch&#8217;s requirements.</p>
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		<title>Comment on www.rupertmurdoch.twit by RICK68</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/jonathan/2009/10/08/www-rupertmurdoch-twit/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>RICK68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Bolt tells us not long ago on ABC Insiders that Rupert Murdoch is a great Australian.  Bolt seems to have deliberately forgotten that Murdoch renounced his Australian citizenship for the almighty American dollar and to suit his business requirements in the USA. Rupert is still trying to have media laws relaxed here to his requirements.&#039; Don&#039;t become anti-American&#039;  tells us here in Australia not long ago.What can I say but!  Yankee go home. Regards Richard Ryan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Bolt tells us not long ago on ABC Insiders that Rupert Murdoch is a great Australian.  Bolt seems to have deliberately forgotten that Murdoch renounced his Australian citizenship for the almighty American dollar and to suit his business requirements in the USA. Rupert is still trying to have media laws relaxed here to his requirements.&#8217; Don&#8217;t become anti-American&#8217;  tells us here in Australia not long ago.What can I say but!  Yankee go home. Regards Richard Ryan.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More thoughts on country pleasures by Keith is not my real name</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/jonathan/2009/10/07/more-thoughts-on-country-pleasures/comment-page-1/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith is not my real name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh c&#039;mon, that&#039;s far to hard. 

I only subscribe for the cartoons  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh c&#8217;mon, that&#8217;s far to hard. </p>
<p>I only subscribe for the cartoons  <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/jonathan/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-wink.png' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on More thoughts on country pleasures by Huw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also fascinated by those questions, but, while I would feel like I could attempt to answer some of them if they were asked about different genres of music, I know I&#039;d reveal myself to be completely clueless if I tried to talk about country music with any authority.

For me, though, every time I listened to those vocal harmonies I heard the sound of a steel guitar. If you were to write a harmony for those chords on a steel guitar, that&#039;s exactly what you would play. Instrumentation has so much to do with the way a music form evolves: to my ears beatboxing sounds like a drumkit played through a tiny set of speakers that are being overworked, to take an example from another genre.

As to why these sounds evolved, well, again, it&#039;s a difficult question. In Daniel Kingman&#039;s book &quot;American Music: A Panorama&quot;, he suggests that country music is usually &quot;played on those stringed instruments that are easily portable&quot;. Which sort of makes sense, but he goes on to say that &quot;the dominant instrument in country music is unquestionably the fiddle&quot;. So he&#039;s talking about something much less evolved than the modern, Nashville-styled sounds of &quot;Raising Sand&quot;. 

I find myself asking similar questions whenever I listen to Emmylou Harris&#039; &quot;Wrecking Ball&quot;. What is it about this album that is so Country? It&#039;s produced by Daniel Lanois, and sounds, in many ways, exactly like other albums he&#039;s produced - notably Bob Dylan&#039;s &quot;Oh Mercy&quot; and &quot;Time Out of Mind&quot;. Yet there&#039;s something else to it, that makes it definitively a country album, though a fairly progressive one.

I think a large part of it is simply that, as a performer or producer or whatever, you try to sound like other people a lot of the time. Even when you want to push the envelope, you still generally want to have some reference point. To take a cynical-sounding perspective, country music (and every other genre) sounds like it does because everyone makes music that sounds like stuff that&#039;s come before. Of course, that&#039;s not a bad thing. Every musician must skirt the line between giving listeners the confronting/exciting New, and the comforting/evocative Familiar. Working within genre boundaries is a particularly useful way of doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also fascinated by those questions, but, while I would feel like I could attempt to answer some of them if they were asked about different genres of music, I know I&#8217;d reveal myself to be completely clueless if I tried to talk about country music with any authority.</p>
<p>For me, though, every time I listened to those vocal harmonies I heard the sound of a steel guitar. If you were to write a harmony for those chords on a steel guitar, that&#8217;s exactly what you would play. Instrumentation has so much to do with the way a music form evolves: to my ears beatboxing sounds like a drumkit played through a tiny set of speakers that are being overworked, to take an example from another genre.</p>
<p>As to why these sounds evolved, well, again, it&#8217;s a difficult question. In Daniel Kingman&#8217;s book &#8220;American Music: A Panorama&#8221;, he suggests that country music is usually &#8220;played on those stringed instruments that are easily portable&#8221;. Which sort of makes sense, but he goes on to say that &#8220;the dominant instrument in country music is unquestionably the fiddle&#8221;. So he&#8217;s talking about something much less evolved than the modern, Nashville-styled sounds of &#8220;Raising Sand&#8221;. </p>
<p>I find myself asking similar questions whenever I listen to Emmylou Harris&#8217; &#8220;Wrecking Ball&#8221;. What is it about this album that is so Country? It&#8217;s produced by Daniel Lanois, and sounds, in many ways, exactly like other albums he&#8217;s produced &#8211; notably Bob Dylan&#8217;s &#8220;Oh Mercy&#8221; and &#8220;Time Out of Mind&#8221;. Yet there&#8217;s something else to it, that makes it definitively a country album, though a fairly progressive one.</p>
<p>I think a large part of it is simply that, as a performer or producer or whatever, you try to sound like other people a lot of the time. Even when you want to push the envelope, you still generally want to have some reference point. To take a cynical-sounding perspective, country music (and every other genre) sounds like it does because everyone makes music that sounds like stuff that&#8217;s come before. Of course, that&#8217;s not a bad thing. Every musician must skirt the line between giving listeners the confronting/exciting New, and the comforting/evocative Familiar. Working within genre boundaries is a particularly useful way of doing that.</p>
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