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	<title>Comments on: Happy Bloomsday! Celebrating James Joyce&#8217;s Ulysses</title>
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		<title>By: Stan Geronimo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Geronimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve tried to read Ulysses three times in the past, and I failed. Eccentricity is god in this book. But after reading the first 50 pages, I felt extremely gratified. Reading bits of Aristotle helped, but only marginally. It was probably Shakespeare and Borges who led me on, so I delighted in passages like Buck Mulligan’s “He proves by algebra that Hamlet’s grandson is Shakespeare’s grandfather and that he himself is the ghost of his own father”, referring to Stephen Dedalus’ idea of Hamlet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve tried to read Ulysses three times in the past, and I failed. Eccentricity is god in this book. But after reading the first 50 pages, I felt extremely gratified. Reading bits of Aristotle helped, but only marginally. It was probably Shakespeare and Borges who led me on, so I delighted in passages like Buck Mulligan’s “He proves by algebra that Hamlet’s grandson is Shakespeare’s grandfather and that he himself is the ghost of his own father”, referring to Stephen Dedalus’ idea of Hamlet.</p>
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		<title>By: timprocter</title>
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		<dc:creator>timprocter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always loved that dancing coins sentence - it&#039;s one of those lines that jarred me when I read it, the image was so clear.  I can still recall the feeling it gave, and it happens every time.

There&#039;s another passage which is one of my favorites:

 &quot;Gone too from the world, Averroes and Moses Maimonides, dark men in mien and movement, flashing in their mocking mirrors the obscure soul of the world, a darkness shining in brightness which brightness could not comprehend.&quot;

I had no idea what it meant the first time I read it, but the poetry and rhythm is simply beautiful - there&#039;s no other way of putting it.  The alliteration, the seeming contradictions, the imagery, the implied hidden meanings that are almost but not quite clear - it&#039;s just a fantastic piece of prose (literally - it made me think of unknown and impossible worlds).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always loved that dancing coins sentence &#8211; it&#8217;s one of those lines that jarred me when I read it, the image was so clear.  I can still recall the feeling it gave, and it happens every time.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another passage which is one of my favorites:</p>
<p> &#8220;Gone too from the world, Averroes and Moses Maimonides, dark men in mien and movement, flashing in their mocking mirrors the obscure soul of the world, a darkness shining in brightness which brightness could not comprehend.&#8221;</p>
<p>I had no idea what it meant the first time I read it, but the poetry and rhythm is simply beautiful &#8211; there&#8217;s no other way of putting it.  The alliteration, the seeming contradictions, the imagery, the implied hidden meanings that are almost but not quite clear &#8211; it&#8217;s just a fantastic piece of prose (literally &#8211; it made me think of unknown and impossible worlds).</p>
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		<title>By: LiteraryMinded</title>
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		<dc:creator>LiteraryMinded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I can&#039;t WAIT to get to the last chapter and make up my mind about this...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I can&#8217;t WAIT to get to the last chapter and make up my mind about this&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: marktwain</title>
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		<dc:creator>marktwain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gertie&#039;s got a dickie leg but there&#039;s definitely something else wrong with her. No normal girl or adult female stands there while a middle-aged bloke masturbates under his mackintosh, particularly on a cold Dublin day. 

It&#039;s actually one of the reasons I love Ulysses in particular - the obvious parallels to the father/son, older man/young man hoo-haa thingo are completely subverted by the last chapter. I&#039;ve never read such a wonderful outpouring of the power of female sexuality that takes a female rather than a male point of view, and this from a male writer. I can&#039;t see anything wistful in Molly&#039;s soliloquy: certainly she is looking back at her sexual history, but to my reading the romanticism of the past is completely negated by the enjoyment of the present. (What is all the &#039;yes, yes, yes&#039; stuff about, after all?) If Molly was thinking of her future, her thoughts may be interpreted as being wistful - as it is it&#039;s all about what&#039;s coming, so to speak. 

I actually think Joyce rivals Shakespeare and DH Lawrence in his attempt to put good old-fashioned, hot-blooded girlie goodness on the page. On him!

I&#039;m probably wrong but I don&#039;t care. I love the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gertie&#8217;s got a dickie leg but there&#8217;s definitely something else wrong with her. No normal girl or adult female stands there while a middle-aged bloke masturbates under his mackintosh, particularly on a cold Dublin day. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually one of the reasons I love Ulysses in particular &#8211; the obvious parallels to the father/son, older man/young man hoo-haa thingo are completely subverted by the last chapter. I&#8217;ve never read such a wonderful outpouring of the power of female sexuality that takes a female rather than a male point of view, and this from a male writer. I can&#8217;t see anything wistful in Molly&#8217;s soliloquy: certainly she is looking back at her sexual history, but to my reading the romanticism of the past is completely negated by the enjoyment of the present. (What is all the &#8216;yes, yes, yes&#8217; stuff about, after all?) If Molly was thinking of her future, her thoughts may be interpreted as being wistful &#8211; as it is it&#8217;s all about what&#8217;s coming, so to speak. </p>
<p>I actually think Joyce rivals Shakespeare and DH Lawrence in his attempt to put good old-fashioned, hot-blooded girlie goodness on the page. On him!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably wrong but I don&#8217;t care. I love the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Grog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Try it sometime, Ulysses in hand]

Would love to. (put it on the long &quot;must do list!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Try it sometime, Ulysses in hand</p></blockquote>
<p>Would love to. (put it on the long &#8220;must do list!)</p>
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		<title>By: Grog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[or slightly retarded]

err not the phrase I would use... she is &quot;lame&quot;.

She pulls up her skirt to let him see her stockings. 

I&#039;ve never read Molly&#039;s soliloquay as an orgasm (though it certainly is one reading of it); I find it much more ambivalent, almost wistful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>or slightly retarded</p></blockquote>
<p>err not the phrase I would use&#8230; she is &#8220;lame&#8221;.</p>
<p>She pulls up her skirt to let him see her stockings. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never read Molly&#8217;s soliloquay as an orgasm (though it certainly is one reading of it); I find it much more ambivalent, almost wistful.</p>
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		<title>By: marktwain</title>
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		<dc:creator>marktwain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloomsday is great fun, and most of the streets mentioned in the book are still there, so you can do a day-long walk following the route. It&#039;s a bit touristy but the Guinness does make up for it. 

And you&#039;ll love the last chapter of Ulysses - thousands of words, not one of them punctuated, and all leading up to a massive orgasm. What more can you ask for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloomsday is great fun, and most of the streets mentioned in the book are still there, so you can do a day-long walk following the route. It&#8217;s a bit touristy but the Guinness does make up for it. </p>
<p>And you&#8217;ll love the last chapter of Ulysses &#8211; thousands of words, not one of them punctuated, and all leading up to a massive orgasm. What more can you ask for?</p>
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		<title>By: LiteraryMinded</title>
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		<dc:creator>LiteraryMinded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all very enlightening. I&#039;ll just let you talk amongst y&#039;selves.

And I must do a Bloomsday in Dublin sometime, even if I don&#039;t remember it for all the Guinness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all very enlightening. I&#8217;ll just let you talk amongst y&#8217;selves.</p>
<p>And I must do a Bloomsday in Dublin sometime, even if I don&#8217;t remember it for all the Guinness.</p>
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		<title>By: marktwain</title>
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		<dc:creator>marktwain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might be the Guinness talking again, Grog.  I always got the impression she was either a schoolgirl or slightly retarded, both of which wouldn&#039;t pass the censors.

Are you sure it was her knickers that got him excited, not her stockings falling down? I&#039;m going to have to go back for a re-read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might be the Guinness talking again, Grog.  I always got the impression she was either a schoolgirl or slightly retarded, both of which wouldn&#8217;t pass the censors.</p>
<p>Are you sure it was her knickers that got him excited, not her stockings falling down? I&#8217;m going to have to go back for a re-read.</p>
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		<title>By: marktwain</title>
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		<dc:creator>marktwain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a good attempt, Grog, but not an entirely successful one. I think it would work best as a radio play, preferably with north Dub accents (I might be wrong, but I don&#039;t think Stephen Rea has one of those) but it would be a very, very, long play.

I was in Dublin for a couple of years and attended one Bloomsday event (June 16 is my birthday, so I thought I&#039;d indulge myself) which involved Guinness, fried kidneys and a couple of recitals of scenes from the early chapters, one of which was read by a senator from the Irish parliament. Unfortunately, the stout had such an adverse effect on my neurons that I can barely remember a thing. 

The Martello tower at Sandymount is great to look at when you&#039;re walking your dog on a windswept day, however. I felt very Dedalus. Try it sometime, Ulysses in hand. You&#039;ll look like an American tourist but it&#039;s fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a good attempt, Grog, but not an entirely successful one. I think it would work best as a radio play, preferably with north Dub accents (I might be wrong, but I don&#8217;t think Stephen Rea has one of those) but it would be a very, very, long play.</p>
<p>I was in Dublin for a couple of years and attended one Bloomsday event (June 16 is my birthday, so I thought I&#8217;d indulge myself) which involved Guinness, fried kidneys and a couple of recitals of scenes from the early chapters, one of which was read by a senator from the Irish parliament. Unfortunately, the stout had such an adverse effect on my neurons that I can barely remember a thing. </p>
<p>The Martello tower at Sandymount is great to look at when you&#8217;re walking your dog on a windswept day, however. I felt very Dedalus. Try it sometime, Ulysses in hand. You&#8217;ll look like an American tourist but it&#8217;s fun.</p>
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