This is our bathroom floor few months ago…thankfully (?) I was away working at the time. I’m told there were 28 puppies in the house at the time – on top of our usual extended canine family. It is a sort of Where’s Wally” exercise but I can count 21 just in this photo…a few others must have wandered out of shot.
For a few years now we have taken puppies from litters (recovered/relocated?) around Yuendumu and taken them to the RSPCA in Alice Springs. There most of them, unfortunately, have been put down.
Estimates of how many have ended up at the RSPCA over the past few years are somewhere north of 300. I can’t take much of the credit for this – I just drive the car, put up with their crying and feed and clean up after them – usually we only keep puppies for a few days, and lately, largely because of an active breeding control program, the number of new litters around Yuendumu has dropped substantially.
Many of the problems with dogs and their people in Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory and elsewhere arise from conflicts between the traditional relationship between humans and dogs that stretches back long before the arrival of European invaders in 1988.
Alice Springs Veterinarian, Dr. Honey Nelson, has been working with Aboriginal people in many parts of the Northern Territory and summarised the relationships between Aboriginal people and their dogs in her 2007 Report to the Commonwealth and NT governments “Dog and Family Health in Remote Aboriginal Communities. A Critical Welfare issue for Animals and Aboriginal families”, the subtitle of which is telling – A Plague of Beautiful Dogs.
Dr. Nelson says, in part, that:
- Aboriginal people have an ancestral love and duty-of-care for dogs, which they still carry out today.
- The native Dingo is self-sufficient for food, breeds once-yearly, and limits its own population.
- The European Camp Dog quickly displaced the Dingo as an Aboriginal companion, and is dependent, needful and breeds large litters twice yearly, without self-limitation.
- Remote Aboriginal communities are overwhelmed by Dogs in plague proportion, with no (or rare) access to veterinary care, or assistance with humane population control.
- These Dogs suffer from endemic debilitating diseases, such as mange, ticks, fleas, worms, constant fight injuries, and roafd trauma – without any available treatments, pain relief or euthanasia.
- There are demonstrable serious adverse effects on family health and hygiene, related to dog faeces and parasitism’s, including transmissible diseases such as scabies, ringworm, fleas, hydatids, ticks, risk of roundworm retinitis, and opportunistic bacterial infections which can cause or exacerbate not only skin sores by systemic infections such as kidney, liver and heart valve disease.
- Dog control in some communities consists of a mass round-up and shooting of dogs, often publicly.
And there is much more. When I have an electronic copy of Dr Nelson’s paper I will link it to this post.
Here at Yuendumu the dogs are almost universally healthy – most dogs have had some form of fertility control and have receive the quick and simple treatment (usually using the cattle tickicide Ivomec) to remove the high loads of ticks and other external and internal parasites that many dogs are carrying. And the visible side of dog health is something that is easily taken for granted in a community where these simple and relatively inexpensive measures have been implemented – go to a township where there is no similar dog health and control program and the difference can be shocking.
There is much that needs to be done here – Aboriginal people have an undoubted love for, but often a diminished capacity to care for – largely because of lack of access to appropriate, if any, veterinary services – for the domestic animals they share their living spaces with. Through the good work of individuals Dr Nelson and many in the Yuendumu community much has been done to control many of the problems that dogs cause here.
But there is still no ongoing funding or certainty that the necessary work will be supported and agencies like the newly formed Central Desert Shire, the NT and Federal Governments and the local Australian Government Business Manager have a unique opportunity to implement real and effective dog control – even as a trial program.
And there is an increasing interest in addressing these issues in many centres in the NT – last month AMRRIC - Animal Management in Rural and Remote Indigenous Communities held a conference looking at these issues – for more information go to the AMRRIC site.
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Gee, who would have thought that there was an organisation for camp dogs? The neglected ones are a sorry sight and it is not really fair on them. There was some sort of a dog control program going on years ago in Port Augusta but who knows what happened to that (I’m not sure what this consisted of – I doubt it was very humane though). I am not entirely convinced of the impact of dogs on health – I understand that their version of scabies is different to ours and if you do get it it doesn’t last long. But I have seen numerous dog bites, including someone with half their ear missing. I assume the missing bit was inside the dog….. My doggies: http://www.me.com/gallery/#100007
Jon Hunt
The problem with scabies is that they break the skin and cause infection particularly strep A. The article linked below talks about scabies disease and dogs
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/05/25/1115443.htm
I am not sure if it matters that dog scabies are different, as you still get an immune response to dog scabies so you still get the itchy sores, the strep infections and the risk of chronic disease as long as the dogs can keep people infected. Having said that I think the rates of skin sores have been reduced with just treating human scabies and ignoring the dogs so it may not actually be that big a factor.
However, dogs also create other issues around hygiene and faeces, mental health problems they can create when already overcrowded housing are also overrun by dogs, the noise packs of howling dogs make at night and the safety issues within the communities with packs of dogs. It may not be scabies, but I certainly see dogs having an impact on Indigenous health.
Hi Jon and Yuwalk, I am not a Vet nor a Doctor but living in the community and trying to help with the dog situation. I have found some interesting issues.
As Yuwalk said scabies from dogs, although they do not usually live in people, can live up to three days in the human body. This, connected with sick dogs that are re-infesting the victim day after day means that many children in particular are living with their dog’s scabies for a long time.
And if for any reason there is human scabies around they are more likely to be infected by the human scabies as they have open sores etc.
In talking to nurses at the Clinic, we’re trying to combine treatment of people and dogs as they notice the same family being re-infected constantly, when we see the dogs in that family all were full of scabies. I think that ignoring one group is a big problem.
I could go on about worms, tape worms, giardia, etc. which the dogs are carriers and in many cases they can spread the disease for a long time if they are not treated.
What we are trying to do at Yuendumu is a humane dog programme and at the same time we are going to start an education program, about diseases and control and providing information about healthy dogs, less dogs, dog breeding cycles etc.
As the article said we don’t have the resources yet but I should mention that the art centre here, Warlukurlangu Artists, has been extremely supportive not only in kind but with generous donations towards the vet visit, purchase of dog food and medication.
We think that dog health or dog welfare are closely related to human welfare. And as Yuwalk mentioned dogs are part of the environmental health problem of the community and they should not be overlooked.
But I am completely opposed to shooting dogs and reducing numbers in a un-controlled way. What we have done is through consultation and education it is a slow process but here it is working.
Yuwalk,
actually your article also says “”Testing of the DNA of the mites which cause dog mange and the mites which cause human scabies has shown that they are a different species,” he said…”
That’s how I understood it; that doggie mites may cause short term infection but it is really only the human variety that don’t go away unless treated (even then they can be pretty persistent) . I am well aware of the problem of secondary infections with scabies, like cellulitis and impetigo, including MRSA which is common particularly in kids and often problematic to treat. I think however that a lot of the infectious problems can be explained by housing/overcrowding/poor hygiene as much as by the presence of sick doggies. I’m not trying to say that they don’t cause problems; it’s more that I would be hesitant to say they had a more significant contribution than other well recognised causes.
Oh, hi Gloria. I suppose if people are constantly re-infected with doggie mites than fair enough I guess they could cause long term problems….. Yes, they are well known to be carriers of parasites so they would clearly pose a health risk to people if not regularly dewormed..
Jon I think the whole dogs don’t have a significant impact on health argument one is not a helpful discussion to have. I agree that there are other factors that are more important, such as overcrowding, shoddy construction and poor maintenance of houses, but dogs should not be ignored because of this. If anything I see these bigger harder problems as a reason to concentrate on dogs as it is an area that can get some relatively easy gains compared to housing or other tough issues.
Personally I feel the scabies study is given too much emphasis as there are many other benefits from treating dogs. My understanding is that since that scabies study a lot of the money for dog programs has been cut, which is a pity.
Hi Yuwalk, I agree there are a lot of issues to address in remote aboriginal communities.
When I started looking at the dogs it was mainly because I couldn’t continue looking at distressed animals that no one was helping.
Then I realised that people were overwhelmed by many things, including the dogs.
So that was the beginning of the unofficial dog program in the community.
There are many things that are not right, but I think that you need to start from somewhere, and for me that somewhere was working with the dogs and their well being.
People are increasingly more open to dog programs as they have seen that everything that we do is humane and that we care about the dogs and respect their feelings for the dogs and appreciate the difficulties they have managing health and breeding issues.
Now, after a few visits, when the vet visits the community people already know her and how she works and they welcome her. Many ask to make sure that she visits them.
From a situation five years ago where the town was overrun with sick dogs we still have too many dogs but we now have an appropriate breeding and health program in place and the difference is marked – far fewer dogs and most (95% plus) are free of mange and receive regular tickicide treatments.
For me that is progress.
Hi Yuwalk,
Sorry to disagree. If you have a program intending to improve human health by eradicating dog scabies, you’re wasting your time because the evidence says you wont. What I am trying to get across is that scarce resources (and it shouldn’t be that!) should be spent on things that have been shown to work, or in the absence of this evidence for things for which there is a rational argument that it should work. There is good evidence that overcrowding, poor hygiene etc causes bad health so that’s where the money and effort should be spent until there is evidence to suggest otherwise. Presumably that’s why the funding was cut for the dog programs, once the evidence became available that dogs weren’t an issue. If there was unlimited money, well, you could argue that you could fund these even if there is only a small chance it would make a difference. All of this is quite fundamental well recognised public health rationale. Funding in general is dependent upon results; no results and no funding. Ask anybody dependent upon money from OATSIH….
Now, I can see why you wish money for dogs health. If I can be blunt it is a little dishonest to obtain funding by suggesting that a particular program will improve human health when there may be little evidence that it will. The dogs will thank you however.
I have got no problem at all with trying to improve the health of dogs in Aboriginal communities. It took me yonks to get the mange out of mine (some sort of resistant type apparently). But I can’t rescue them all by myself….!
gloria
Good work the key will be if the program can keep going if/when you leave.
Ramingining had a great dog program a few years ago, but I think it may of dropped away once the balanda driving it left.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2006/07/18/1689894.htm
Jon
I am not sure why you are fixated on scabies. I have said from the beginning that dog and human scabies are not the same and even linked to an article about it for you. You do understand that it isn’t human scabies itself that causes the health problems? It is group A streptococcal when it gets in through holes in the skin. Dog scabies can still lead to skin sores and flea and dog bites can still get infected with strep A. The report mentioned by Robert in this blog talks about human health risks and a quick search of ammric shows many potential diseases.
http://amrric.org/downloads/resources/AMRRIC%20FACT%20SHEET%201%20%20Zoonoses.pdf
I do understand your argument that if dog health isn’t important for Indigenous human health and you are obviously convinced it is not then it shouldn’t be funded over other health programs. In the context of other problems Indigenous people face dog health probably isn’t that important. If you only look at where the big gains in Indigenous health can be made I agree that well constructed and maintained housing is more important. Human scabies, otitis media, trachoma and many other problems are more important.
But even with sihip (http://www.housing.nt.gov.au/remotehousing/sihip) housing isn’t going to be fixed. Even after the work Menzies did in East Arnhemland scabies it is still a problem. We are the only first world nation left to still have trachoma. How long should dog programs wait? No one is advocating for a dog programs to be run instead of housing or otitis media or trachoma programs, but dog programs can be run cheaply in comparison and they have a real immediate impact on communities. Basic services like dog control will go a long way to “normalising” communities before 99 year leases, abolishing the permit system or income management ever will.
Sorry, it is probably a misunderstanding… more that Gloria has written (typed) that.. “As Yuwalk said scabies from dogs, although they do not usually live in people, can live up to three days in the human body. This, connected with sick dogs that are re-infesting the victim day after day means that many children in particular are living with their dog’s scabies for a long time” which according to expert people isn’t very likely. It is just that I didn’t want people thinking they could cure this problem by treating dogs. But I agree that it is probably best if I shut up now.
My two cents for what its worth. I thought what Gloria said was fine, and I refer to Prof Ric Speare’s paper:
Speare R 2006 “Scabies in Humans and Dogs” Proceedings of the Dog People AMRRIC International Conference, Darwin, July 16-21, p. 73-80 (available through amrric.org)
Where he discuses the Menzies work together with other data. He says:
“One of the things that really worries me is that when I talk to vets and vet students, they think that dog scabies has no significance for to human health, whereas it actually does. It is the cause of transient scabies in humans. Unfortunately, up here, in the Northern Territory, this approach seems to have spread across and there seems to be a strong, negative attitude to dog health programs in the health professions in NT, downplaying the valuable role of environmenmtal health associated with dog programs.”
I asked him if he would agree with Gloria and still stood by his comments, and he replied that he did.
Dear Sophie (3?) – thanks for that response – I’ll pass it on to Gloria for her further comments – I’m aware of the Menzies research ( I know one of the researchers) but haven’t closely examined that material. The work that AMRRIC is doing appears to very valuable – not only for the work that is done on the ground, but also because it provides a forum for discussion and the presentation of research.
On this issue I note the recently revised Community Dog Program Handbook produced by the Aboriginal Community Veterinary Services group based in Katherine in the NT, see: http://www.ntvet.com.au.
I’ll do a post on this most useful review of practices and procedures for use in community-based dog control – it also contains a lot of information about the parasites, diseases etc.
Well, I think I am certainly more confused now.
My comments were based on the reply I got from a researcher at Menzies viz (regarding transient infection with dog scabies) : “The scenario you outline is possible although I would suggest quite rare. We collected and genetically typed 1000’s of human and dog derived mites from Indigenous communities. These studies indicated human and dog mites are likely different species, are primarily host specific, and that dog scabies are unlikely to be a significant source of infection for people in scabies-endemic communities in northern
Australia”. This appears to conflict with what the Prof. has said. (I hope she doesn’t mind me quoting her…..). Note that I think we are talking about illness causing scabies infection here, not just a scabies infection itself. Forgive my cynicism, but as a doctor I have treated a hell of a lot of infections in Aboriginal people, but I can not think of any instances where infection from dogs was the likely culprit. People are best at giving each other what they have, if you know what I mean.
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