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	<title>Comments on: Ten (Australian) questions for Cancer Jesus</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Gosford</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/01/17/ten-australian-questions-for-the-cancer-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-2167</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Gosford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SBH - agreed - must say that I laughed out very loud when i saw that.
Some interesting sentiments in this piece from Ashenden.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/state-tour-backed-a-loser-20130121-2d35g.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SBH &#8211; agreed &#8211; must say that I laughed out very loud when i saw that.<br />
Some interesting sentiments in this piece from Ashenden.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/state-tour-backed-a-loser-20130121-2d35g.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cycling/state-tour-backed-a-loser-20130121-2d35g.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: SBH</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/01/17/ten-australian-questions-for-the-cancer-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-2166</link>
		<dc:creator>SBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an aside Bob, &#039;commercial in confidence&#039; is an utterly meaningless term invented by Jeff Kennett to hide details of how public money was spent.  It has been seized on by governments (whose nature is to obfuscate) of all stripes and has no legitimate place in a democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an aside Bob, &#8216;commercial in confidence&#8217; is an utterly meaningless term invented by Jeff Kennett to hide details of how public money was spent.  It has been seized on by governments (whose nature is to obfuscate) of all stripes and has no legitimate place in a democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: gerard</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know that even a split second appearance on the Oprah Winfrey show guarantees wealth and fame. That’s the power of untrammeled capitalism. If you mix that in with the word ‘humbling’ and a couple of sparkling crocodile tears carefully stage managed and filmed from the right angle and boy, do the sponsors start lining up.

Remember a while ago when Rupert Murdoch gave his first performance on the inquiry about the phone hacking scandal? After Mr Murdoch got down on his chair and felt comfortable enough he turned his face upwards towards the camera and announced with the sincerity of  Bill Clinton’s ‘no, I did not have sex with that woman’, ‘ this is the most humble day of my life.’  Today, Rupert’s media empire is capitalized at , give and take a couple of billions,  63  billion and the sixth largest company in Australia. It would not be surprising if the word ‘Humble’ will be subject to copy-rights in the future, might even get a patent taken out on it.  During the beginning of the scandal the company was hovering between 32 and 45 billion. Crime paid off handsomely and the ‘humbling experience’ certainly proved it to be for Newscorp.

I am sure Lance Armstrong’s future is now guaranteed just as much. Film rights, book rights, biographies. Boy oh boy, it’s just the beginning! 

Banal confessions dripping with insincerity seems to be mainly the domain of the US. Surely, if Armstrong was sincere he would not seek an interview at the feet of the Goddess of Money and Fame, with all the world-wide fanfare and publicity that it would entail and instead lie low and hide his head in shame. He spouted again and again ‘the humbling’ of it all.
The most ‘humbling’, ‘oh, I am now under a death sentence.’ ‘I don’t deserve that’, he mumbled and humbled. The most ‘humbling’ of all times, he confessed tearfully, was the withdrawal from the Livestrong cancer foundation. Oh, seventy five million dollar a day I am now ever so humbly losing.

The foundation and original seeds of corny confessions might well have been sown some years back by Pastor Baker and Tammy. Remember the disgraced televangelists, Jimmy and Tammy Baker and the prostitute giving Pastor Jimmy a bit of light hand relief? The whole world was glued to their TV sets for weeks.

For many years, the Bakers indulged themselves in conspicuous consumption funded by their televangelism on both land and satellite TV. No one at the time thought the glitz and glamour the Bakers surrounding themselves with to be a bit unusual for a nonprofit organization...Jimmy was quoted as saying,” I believe if Jesus was alive today he would be on TV”. After it all came out, the tearstained confession of Jimmy Baker on TV, would have to be one of the most bizarre events ever to have come out from the schmaltz world of American TV shows. Previous to that his “Praise the Lord” TV and Theme park in South Carolina made millions weekly. Some cynics afterwards thought that PTL always stood for “pass the Loot.”

Well, Mr Armstrong is well on the way of a comeback. The sponsors might sue him but were less shy when he was in the lime-light. Are they also giving back money made while the sponsored products were selling thanks to the fame of Lance at the time? For many years suspicion was rife but money as always speaks loudest. Who would be so silly as to upset the cart that was bringing in the loot?

I will never be able to ride on the back of ‘a humbling experience.’ It seems even more remote I will ever get an invitation to Oprah. Will you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know that even a split second appearance on the Oprah Winfrey show guarantees wealth and fame. That’s the power of untrammeled capitalism. If you mix that in with the word ‘humbling’ and a couple of sparkling crocodile tears carefully stage managed and filmed from the right angle and boy, do the sponsors start lining up.</p>
<p>Remember a while ago when Rupert Murdoch gave his first performance on the inquiry about the phone hacking scandal? After Mr Murdoch got down on his chair and felt comfortable enough he turned his face upwards towards the camera and announced with the sincerity of  Bill Clinton’s ‘no, I did not have sex with that woman’, ‘ this is the most humble day of my life.’  Today, Rupert’s media empire is capitalized at , give and take a couple of billions,  63  billion and the sixth largest company in Australia. It would not be surprising if the word ‘Humble’ will be subject to copy-rights in the future, might even get a patent taken out on it.  During the beginning of the scandal the company was hovering between 32 and 45 billion. Crime paid off handsomely and the ‘humbling experience’ certainly proved it to be for Newscorp.</p>
<p>I am sure Lance Armstrong’s future is now guaranteed just as much. Film rights, book rights, biographies. Boy oh boy, it’s just the beginning! </p>
<p>Banal confessions dripping with insincerity seems to be mainly the domain of the US. Surely, if Armstrong was sincere he would not seek an interview at the feet of the Goddess of Money and Fame, with all the world-wide fanfare and publicity that it would entail and instead lie low and hide his head in shame. He spouted again and again ‘the humbling’ of it all.<br />
The most ‘humbling’, ‘oh, I am now under a death sentence.’ ‘I don’t deserve that’, he mumbled and humbled. The most ‘humbling’ of all times, he confessed tearfully, was the withdrawal from the Livestrong cancer foundation. Oh, seventy five million dollar a day I am now ever so humbly losing.</p>
<p>The foundation and original seeds of corny confessions might well have been sown some years back by Pastor Baker and Tammy. Remember the disgraced televangelists, Jimmy and Tammy Baker and the prostitute giving Pastor Jimmy a bit of light hand relief? The whole world was glued to their TV sets for weeks.</p>
<p>For many years, the Bakers indulged themselves in conspicuous consumption funded by their televangelism on both land and satellite TV. No one at the time thought the glitz and glamour the Bakers surrounding themselves with to be a bit unusual for a nonprofit organization&#8230;Jimmy was quoted as saying,” I believe if Jesus was alive today he would be on TV”. After it all came out, the tearstained confession of Jimmy Baker on TV, would have to be one of the most bizarre events ever to have come out from the schmaltz world of American TV shows. Previous to that his “Praise the Lord” TV and Theme park in South Carolina made millions weekly. Some cynics afterwards thought that PTL always stood for “pass the Loot.”</p>
<p>Well, Mr Armstrong is well on the way of a comeback. The sponsors might sue him but were less shy when he was in the lime-light. Are they also giving back money made while the sponsored products were selling thanks to the fame of Lance at the time? For many years suspicion was rife but money as always speaks loudest. Who would be so silly as to upset the cart that was bringing in the loot?</p>
<p>I will never be able to ride on the back of ‘a humbling experience.’ It seems even more remote I will ever get an invitation to Oprah. Will you?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Gosford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Gosford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True SBH - no details (despite the many attempts by me and others) have ever been revealed about the payments made to Armstrong and related entities for what are suspected to be a number of matters. 

The SA government hid behind the &quot;commercial in confidence&quot; excuse.

Perhaps these questions may be asked yet again during the upcoming SA election campaign ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True SBH &#8211; no details (despite the many attempts by me and others) have ever been revealed about the payments made to Armstrong and related entities for what are suspected to be a number of matters. </p>
<p>The SA government hid behind the &#8220;commercial in confidence&#8221; excuse.</p>
<p>Perhaps these questions may be asked yet again during the upcoming SA election campaign &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SBH</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/01/17/ten-australian-questions-for-the-cancer-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-2163</link>
		<dc:creator>SBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter &quot;this public funding was accounted for&quot; I don&#039;t think that&#039;s right.  I&#039;m being lazy and not checking but I seem to remember that Bob Gosford has repeatedly asked questions about the money and repeatedly been given very thin answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter &#8220;this public funding was accounted for&#8221; I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s right.  I&#8217;m being lazy and not checking but I seem to remember that Bob Gosford has repeatedly asked questions about the money and repeatedly been given very thin answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Tyerman: this public funding was accounted for - the SA economy made a good profit on that transaction. LA&#039;s appearance brought more money into SA than it cost. It was a case of taxes well spent if you look at it objectively.

Maybe if the SA government would agree to give Lance Armstrong all the money his appearance brought into the SA economy, in return for his refunding the appearance money, that would make sense from a commercial POV.

Same goes for Nike - they made a handsome profit out of Lance, so to ask for their money back now is a little rich - like renting a race horse, making millions off it&#039;s back, finding out years later it was doped, then wanting the rental money back but keeping the profits you made.

These sponsorship deals are all completed contracts based on selling widgets by leveraging fame. The doping that&#039;s come to light now doesn&#039;t affect the profits made then by Nike, SA, US Postal or any other sponsor who licensed his image in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Tyerman: this public funding was accounted for &#8211; the SA economy made a good profit on that transaction. LA&#8217;s appearance brought more money into SA than it cost. It was a case of taxes well spent if you look at it objectively.</p>
<p>Maybe if the SA government would agree to give Lance Armstrong all the money his appearance brought into the SA economy, in return for his refunding the appearance money, that would make sense from a commercial POV.</p>
<p>Same goes for Nike &#8211; they made a handsome profit out of Lance, so to ask for their money back now is a little rich &#8211; like renting a race horse, making millions off it&#8217;s back, finding out years later it was doped, then wanting the rental money back but keeping the profits you made.</p>
<p>These sponsorship deals are all completed contracts based on selling widgets by leveraging fame. The doping that&#8217;s come to light now doesn&#8217;t affect the profits made then by Nike, SA, US Postal or any other sponsor who licensed his image in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Fleay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Fleay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even as a keen cyclist I wont be watching a &quot;marshmallow&quot; interview.  LA as has been his practise for a long time has this whole interview carefully controlled. The only interview worth watching would have been live with a credible interviewer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even as a keen cyclist I wont be watching a &#8220;marshmallow&#8221; interview.  LA as has been his practise for a long time has this whole interview carefully controlled. The only interview worth watching would have been live with a credible interviewer.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Tyerman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/01/17/ten-australian-questions-for-the-cancer-jesus/comment-page-1/#comment-2155</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Tyerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re evs comment:
&quot;&lt;I&gt;Saying Armstrong is a cheat therefore the South Australian government should not have paid him is a very simplistic argument. At the time he had never “officially” been caught or sanctioned. The comeback was big news and they were able to secure him for his very first race during his comeback.&lt;/I&gt;&quot;

You make valid points, but I still don&#039;t agree that amount of public funds paid to bring Mr Armstrong should not be accountable to the taxpayers / citizens of South Australia, or Australia if there was any Federal funding involved.

In my opinion, public spending should be publically accountable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re evs comment:<br />
&#8220;<i>Saying Armstrong is a cheat therefore the South Australian government should not have paid him is a very simplistic argument. At the time he had never “officially” been caught or sanctioned. The comeback was big news and they were able to secure him for his very first race during his comeback.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>You make valid points, but I still don&#8217;t agree that amount of public funds paid to bring Mr Armstrong should not be accountable to the taxpayers / citizens of South Australia, or Australia if there was any Federal funding involved.</p>
<p>In my opinion, public spending should be publically accountable.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Hatrick, OAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry Hatrick, OAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: sparky</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don&#039;t recall&quot;, the answer de jour and par siècle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t recall&#8221;, the answer de jour and par siècle.</p>
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