Emirates says Qantas deal will take up to 6 months
Strong evidence that a Qantas deal with Emirates will be a simple code share, at least as currently envisaged, has come from news wire reports from Dubai today.
Bloomberg reported that:
“We’ve been engaging with them for some time,” Emirates Chairman Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed al-Maktoum told reporters in Dubai yesterday. “The objective is to eventually see Qantas fly through Dubai.” The two sides aren’t discussing a revenue- sharing accord, he said.
The report will hose down expectations that Qantas will have something material to say about the moves for a commercial relationship between both carriers when it reports its full year to 30 June financial results on 23 August.
It will however probably feed further reports emphasising various possibilities that might suit those of us who want to see a deal that will render Qantas more competitive, as well as end its eternal bleating about how wicked carriers like Emirates are, make that ‘were’, and every other excuse its management can dream up for their dismal record with the airline.
Presumably it might also end Qantas complaining about Australia’s second largest airline, Virgin Australia having an equity and alliance relationship with Etihad, the UAE’s second largest airline, once it is engaged in a different but effective type of commercial link to that country’s largest airline.
The six month time frame mentioned by the Emirates chair might also give Qantas enough time to reach preliminary readjustments or acquittals with other strategic partners, such as British Airways and Air France, both publicly antagonistic toward Emirates and engaged in high profile lobbying efforts to persuade UK and EU policy makers to curb the onslaught of the Dubai carrier in their markets.
One thing that does stand out, at this stage, is that it is Emirates that is doing most of the talking, while Qantas publicly refers to the fact that at any given moment it is always in alliance discussions of one form or another with other airlines, and that it has identified the development of alliances as a strategic imperative.
Those other carriers include Malaysia Airlines which announced today that it would increase its services between Adelaide and Kuala Lumpur to daily from a current level of six times a week from 31 October.
This move would be as much about heading off the expansion plans of its low cost rival Air Asia X in Australia as it would be about Qantas, and clearly aimed at developing Kuala Lumpur’s under used airport as an alternative SE Asia hub to Singapore’s Changi Airport.
Malaysia Airlines has its hands full fending off attacks on its home market by Singapore Airlines and Qantas subsidiary Jetstar Asia as well as from the Air Asia group, which is the most successful low fare franchise in the Asia hemisphere.
With Malaysia Airlines joining Emirates and Singapore Airlines as daily participants in the Adelaide market, Australian consumers have yet another example of fierce competition breaking out between Asian rivals for a share of a market in which Qantas has made itself irrelevant.










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But will this shut up the TWU? Or will they continue to go running to the teacher saying that big bad Qantas stole their lunch money.
“through” is an interesting piece of phrasing from the Sheikh. Presumably as you say, this will involve QF numbers on EK flights to European destinations, rather than actual Qantas metal operating between Dubai and Europe, but arranging the latter would be a bold and interesting move…
Ben, there doesn’t appear to be any antagonism between Willie Walsh and Tim Clark in this video interview recorded by the FT at this year’s Farnborough Air Show (http://video.ft.com/v/1728875235001/Airlines-call-for-UK-hub-plan).
FlyLo,
Aha! A tripartite deal between BA, EK and QF.
And I’m not laughing. Anything is possible in this industry.
(Goes down into cellar to think about BA telling IB and AA the depths of ‘depravity’ to which his mind has sunk. But this can’t be true if the timeline is six months, I whisper to myself, since it would be more than six years, or more. )
As well as QF A380s to Dubai and LHR would it be too radical to have a QF A330 from Perth go to Dubai then go to Frankfurt
Makes sense. Convinced it has made sense to Virgin Australia to Abu Dhabi just down the road too, although I rush to add that I am convinced by the logic, not by any disclosures.
Given the extreme solution to the German rights issue Etihad took by buying into Air Berlin, Virgin Australia may be able to access more rights to Frankfurt than Etihad can in its own right assuming there was a re-allocation of Australia flag carrier capacity in the event of existing allocations being relinquished by Qantas.
The threat of Virign taking a QF allocation may then mean QF treats Perth a bit better and have the Perth A330s go onto Frankfurt via Dubai
“Qantas metal” operating through Dubai? One might hope that if that ever was to come about Qantas would be operating the [largely non metal] 787?
Guys, I think you will find Qantas operating its metal to Dubai and passengers connecting to Emirates metal to Europe and Africa etc.
Because QF would have rights to these destinations then it could place its code on the Emirates metal.
Even if the arrangement with Emirates is not a route profit share, it will stop QF losing a squillion on its Frankfurt flights and provide a QF customer proposition of vast array of destinations into Europe and Africa etc.
QF most likely maintain its London flight via Singapore
I don’t believe that any Qantas tie up with Emirates will see them leave the oneworld alliance.
BA may not like QF’s tie-up with Emirates; but so what?
If QF can get an appropriate arrangement in place with Emirates then it will not really need BA.
But if you wish to take the emotion out of it all and remain pragmatic, there is still probably no real reason why the QF/BA joint services deal cannot remain in place on Australia-UK route. If they maintain it then then they both will not lose money. If BA pulls-out, then it is most likely the one that will end up the worse-off, not QF.
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