AF447 article underscores cockpit shambles before impact
Relief pilot in cockpit of doomed Air France flight AF447 left his seat in a lounge position locked back away from the controls for the entire sequence of events that killed all 228 people on the Airbus in 2009.
An analysis of the Air France AF447 disaster in 2009 by FlightGlobal’s operations and safety editor David Learmount will cause more than further and much needed scrutiny of how airline pilots are trained to deal with inflight upsets because of what it reveals about how the pilots were seated before impact.
It says that after the captain of the A330-200 left his seat on the left hand side of the cockpit for a rest break, and the relief pilot occupied it, it was left locked into the fully aft position, that is, further than normal from the controls, until the impact that killed all 228 people on board the Rio to Paris flight 10 minutes later.
This is how Learmount describes the situation, with some added emphasis and the expansion of terms in square brackets as indicated.
During the handover, the captain had stayed on the flightdeck to hear the PF [pilot flying] (in the right-hand seat) brief the newly arrived PNF [pilot not flying] about flight progress and weather situation in the ITCZ [intertropical convergence zone], including the light turbulence affecting the aircraft as they were speaking.
The captain did not give direct instructions about the task facing the pilots in the ITCZ, nor about the crew hierarchy he expected them to adopt during his rest, but he implied that the PF [pilot flying, who remained in the right hand or co-pilot's seat] was in charge.
Normal procedure at Air France, notes the report, is for the pilot replacing the captain to take the decision-making role, no matter whether acting as PF or as pilot monitoring. The BEA says in its report that the captain’s failure to make the pilots’ roles clear may have set the tone for the almost total absence of effective co-operation (crew resource management) the pair subsequently displayed when things started to go wrong.
When the relief pilot arrived to take over, the captain’s seat had been motored fully back and to the left to allow the captain’s exit and provide access for his replacement. However, when the relief pilot sat down he never motored the seat forward to put himself within easy reach of the controls. He fastened his lap strap, but not the crotch strap. About 10 minutes later when the aircraft hit the dark sea, the seat was still against its back-stop.
Several captains of Airbus jets based in the region were amazed and horrified when the Learmount article was brought to their attention this morning. One said the actions of the more experienced relief pilot in remaining in a seating position of physical disengagement with the conduct of the flight was deeply shocking and indicative of a total failure of the cockpit crew interactions or co-operative culture that he regarded as a foundation for safe flight in airliners of any type.
This writer was told in a meeting in France in May with a person intimately familiar with the accident investigation that in the final minutes of the control crisis the captain had responded to a summons to the flight deck, and remained standing until impact immediately behind the two pilots.
From that position, but subject to the lighting in the cockpit the captain could have observed the position of the side stick controllers, and the official final report confirms that for almost the entire duration of the loss of control and impact sequence, the pilot flying held the side stick hard back, keeping the jet in a nose high attitude.
However the more experienced, but seemingly disengaged pilot not flying, who would normally have to shift in his seat to observe what the other pilot was doing with his side stick controller, would have had even less of a view of the other or right hand side of his body, where that control stick was located, as a consequence of his seat being locked back as far as it could go.
In his analysis Learmount also says.
Slightly less than 2min after the initial upset, says the BEA [France's air safety investigator], control inputs meant the aircraft had established a nose-up attitude of +15˚, the angle of attack was 40˚, the engines were delivering maximum thrust, and the rate of descent was 10,000ft/min (51m/s). Looking at the instruments, the PF said: “I have no more displays.” The PNF said: “We have no valid indications.”
The report does not say it explicitly, but the pilots must either have stopped believing what they were seeing or, if they did give it any credence, their minds were rejecting the horrific implications of this combination of nose-high attitude, rapid rate of descent, and high power.
The shock of not understanding what they were seeing appeared to have immobilised them, although at that point, if they had been able to recognise the aircraft’s flight profile, they could still have recovered control by employing the stall recovery procedure.
The situation disclosed in the analysis is of specific relevance to the mishandling of AF447 by the pilots whose training and flight safety standards are the legal responsibility of Air France and its management and directors. But as Learmount and others have said with cogency and urgency for some time, what happened to AF447 has enormous implications for those that believe cockpit automation in some way lessens the need for pilot professionalism and experience and specific training for recovering from control ‘upsets’.
This analysis sets up continued tension between those who believe risk management allows modern airlines to avoid the costs of ‘legacy excellence’ and those who say this is a cop out which makes certain future air disasters in which pilots are confronted by control crises they aren’t trained to diagnose or correct in the brief time that will be available to prevent a crash.












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This ought to stop the Brand A vs. Brand B bickering which so many have attempted to turn the accident into.
This has nothing to do with brand A versus brand B but everything to do with the level of basic training. Airbus have moved to introduce much more hands on training with the introduction of the A350, with, I understand, the first week given over to hand flying without the computers intervening. Some airlines have introduced high-altitude upset training into their recurrent simulator sessions. Something which has been sorely absent in many cases. What will be interesting is whether the simulators, which have been described as basically PCs’ on steroids, can accurately reflect the flight characteristics of an upset jet at high altitude.
I did my A330-200 endorsement not long ago at Airbus itself. The “training” was and is a joke. Everyone passes. The facility is nothing more than a sausage factory set up to satisfy customer needs of bums in seats: a user pays system.
Many of the procedure trainers are not [pilots nor have they ever been in an aircraft. Same with ground class instructors such as performance. My instructor had no idea about why we reduce V1 by up to 10 its on a wet runway and the screen height. She’d never heard of it before.
The sim instructor’s are paid peanuts and recruited as such. The lowest common denominator….
So, we keep reading how the AF accident changed training and standards forever. Like hell. NOTHING has changed because it costs money. (We did the unreliable airspeed session in the sim and my partner completely stalled the aircraft, a la AF447. He was not permitted to re-do the drill due time constraints. He was de-briefed only and “passed”. Kids are paid peanuts to be a “super jet pilot dude” because they will do it for next to nothing. Experienced pilots will not, so they are not hired. Look at the the trends in pilot recruitment alone & then compare them to remuneration and training standards. It’s not difficult to see…..
Standards & training cost money. Therefore they are not wanted. They are the real facts and real legacy in the aftermath of AF447. Stay lucky because safety is nothing more than a sales pitch.
One thing that strikes me about this is the difference in cockpit performance between the crew of AF447 and QF32 – I’ve read Richard de Crespigny’s book – as has I believe Ben – and it strikes me that (in CRM terms) – the QF32 team had clear lines of command and communication. I’m no QF-apologist – nor am I as qualified on this as many who comment here but the human angle and the human performance differences keep standing out for me.
A or B, doesn’t matter. With the increasing complexity and automation reliance involved, it’s possible to get behind the airplane at Mach speed.
If adequate training, procedures and flight standards continue to be lacking, this and worse outcomes will happen more often.
Burning question:
Did Bonin or Robert ever try to summon Dubois by intercom when he was or supposedly was in the pilots’crew rest area?
In other words, was there indeed an intercom in the pilot’s crew rest area?
There is nothing in the BEA’s DCVR report about this.
PJEH. What you say is frightening. Something a senate inquiry should hear about. Engineering standards of training and qualification levels are also being reduced. Safety is indeed becoming a sales pitch. Aircraft that fly and fix themselves.
Dicus – that is the tip of the iceberg. I have raised concerns when I was at Airbus about the standards…. I was told to not be so pedantic. Near enough was not good enough, but it’ll do so the next monkeys could be processed in the line. Now at my airline we do Proficiency Checks (License Renewals & Instrument Rating Renewals) as well as Recurrent Training where senior management instructors are selected based on “relationships” with management & pure nepotism. Are standards maintained? No way. To fail a pilot means more sim training which equals time & money.
Pilots are released to the line not even aware of the disgraceful standard they are at. It’s NOT their fault. When someone thinks they are doing everything well because they are not told let alone taught properly then how is it the pilot’s individual fault? Why were they recruited, who trained them and then who continues to pass them?
See, everyone finds this “shocking” but it’s been the way airlines have been operating for years. Yes-men are given preference over those speaking up to say, “Hang, this isn’t right / illegal / not to standard” and dare to fail those accordingly – for their own good and the airline’s and the travelling public’s.
I don’t care what the do-gooders say about AF447. That aircraft crashed because the “pilots” could not fly an aircraft. Full stop. Yeah, it was a damn tricky situation to be in but all the same something we would expect them to be more then adequately trained to handle. (I’ve had it in the sim with prior awareness & preparedness of course).
There won’t be a senate enquiry. What a waste of money. It’s like spending millions / billions of dollars worldwide to prove that the sky is blue. Wanting to admit it is let alone REALLY fixing the wrong mentality is another thing in it’s entirety. There’s that money issue again….!
But hey, those airfares are cheap so Joe Public is happy.
(PS: I’m no disgruntled employee. I have a well paid job. I’m just so sick of the BS when it is all so bleeding obvious for any person to see if they choose to).
Sorry to re-post (administrators can you add this to my last post?)….
Look at AF447 and ask
- why did the pilot think or believe it OK or “to standard” to be in a control seat with his seat adjusted as mentioned?
- why did the Capt think it OK or “to standard” to not brief the crew correctly and completely on their respective duties?
- why did the PF (pilot flying) think it OK to have full back stick, aircraft descending with full thrust and not have any awareness of the a stall (that’s PPL C150 stuff….!)
- and on, and on…..
WHO GAVE THESE GUYS THE ATTITUDE THAT THIS IS ALL OK??? We all stop at a red light at 1 am in the morning even if there is no traffic anywhere because we are trained or even indoctrinated that this is the right way to drive a car and the right way to maintain “standards” of safety and integrity. This moral norm is not present in many, many airlines so we have to ask WHY and WHO is responsible.
This is a COMPLETE failure of the [AF] training systems that passed these pilots to the line.
Of course, some airlines are (far) better than others but they are getting fewer & fewer.
Confirmed AF447: No intercom in pilots’ rest area just a buzzer.
This is an option.
On an another note: Did crew temporarily lose all PFDs?
This is why BEA recommended that CCTVs be installed.
Does anyone if AF447 was equipped with EIS1 or EIS2?
“I got no valid indictions” may mean that the 6 screens may have momentarily blanked-out as in previous EIS1 cases.
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