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	<description>Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth</description>
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		<title>By: mypetturtle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2006/09/06/place-your-bets-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2674</link>
		<dc:creator>mypetturtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libs will gain Indooroopilly by a large margin.</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Tucker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2006/09/06/place-your-bets-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2665</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To edward o:  I think I see the logic in Glug&#039;s approach.  Asking you to nominate a probability is a way of asking how confident you are in your prediction.  The more confidently you nominate a selection, and you are correct, the more points you get.  So, both you and I could make the same selections in that we both pick the winners, but the one that assigns the greater probability - that is, the bravest - will beat the other.  It is a form of tie breaker; otherwise, enough people would have exactly the same result if it was just a matter of a tick or a cross.

Now to the issue of relationship between the results for each seat.  We know that each of the individual contests are not independent of each other; if there is a movement in the electorate to go one way - a swing - then all the seats, to some extent, will be affected.  Yes, there will be some seats that will have issues that affect them only, but electorate &quot;mood&quot; will have a say in a general shift for or against the government that each seat has to contend with.

My advice, for what it is worth, to those having a bash at the Glug contest is to first make a prediction on the general swing, or lack of it, you think will occur.  Then, as you go down the list, consider how your predicted swing will effect that seat, modifying your final decision by any electorate-specific issues you think should be considered.  Then, I think the probability you assign should be a &quot;brave&quot; one:  either in the nineties, or below 10.  I think this will give you the best prospect of winning the competition.  You have to be correct in your predictions, of course, but if you are you will gain maximum points.  On this I differ from Peter Brent&#039;s approach which was to assign probability scores the way he saw the actual probability occurring (http://www.mumble.com.au/).  If Peter gets close, I think he will be beaten by someone with the same, or close to the same, predictions but who was more &quot;confident&quot;.

Whatever, this is good stuff.  I hope Glug publish the whole results because I would love to see how close (or far away) I actually get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To edward o:  I think I see the logic in Glug&#8217;s approach.  Asking you to nominate a probability is a way of asking how confident you are in your prediction.  The more confidently you nominate a selection, and you are correct, the more points you get.  So, both you and I could make the same selections in that we both pick the winners, but the one that assigns the greater probability &#8211; that is, the bravest &#8211; will beat the other.  It is a form of tie breaker; otherwise, enough people would have exactly the same result if it was just a matter of a tick or a cross.</p>
<p>Now to the issue of relationship between the results for each seat.  We know that each of the individual contests are not independent of each other; if there is a movement in the electorate to go one way &#8211; a swing &#8211; then all the seats, to some extent, will be affected.  Yes, there will be some seats that will have issues that affect them only, but electorate &#8220;mood&#8221; will have a say in a general shift for or against the government that each seat has to contend with.</p>
<p>My advice, for what it is worth, to those having a bash at the Glug contest is to first make a prediction on the general swing, or lack of it, you think will occur.  Then, as you go down the list, consider how your predicted swing will effect that seat, modifying your final decision by any electorate-specific issues you think should be considered.  Then, I think the probability you assign should be a &#8220;brave&#8221; one:  either in the nineties, or below 10.  I think this will give you the best prospect of winning the competition.  You have to be correct in your predictions, of course, but if you are you will gain maximum points.  On this I differ from Peter Brent&#8217;s approach which was to assign probability scores the way he saw the actual probability occurring (<a href="http://www.mumble.com.au/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.mumble.com.au/)</a>.  If Peter gets close, I think he will be beaten by someone with the same, or close to the same, predictions but who was more &#8220;confident&#8221;.</p>
<p>Whatever, this is good stuff.  I hope Glug publish the whole results because I would love to see how close (or far away) I actually get.</p>
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		<title>By: edward o</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2006/09/06/place-your-bets-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2646</link>
		<dc:creator>edward o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I&#039;m sure that it works for what you&#039;ve linked to, but how will Glug then rank the people predicting? On what basis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#8217;m sure that it works for what you&#8217;ve linked to, but how will Glug then rank the people predicting? On what basis?</p>
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		<title>By: John R</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2006/09/06/place-your-bets-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2645</link>
		<dc:creator>John R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 03:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I canâ€™t see how predicting the â€œpossibilityâ€ of a seat, and matching that with the actual outcome would allow any meaningful ranking of the predictors&quot; - actually it is quite a valid predictor of the outcome, provided that you get a lot of people to give their opinions.  It is analogous to the Delphi Technique, for which see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_technique

The Centrebet market is quite interesting, and there is probably money to be made even now by covering the central possibilities.  Mind you I can&#039;t loose!  I put $50 on labor at $1.12 early on in the piece.  If I get nervous I&#039;ll cover this by putting $2 on labout to win less than 50 seats at $20.  (You&#039;d be mad to bet on a Coalition victory at $9 when you can get $20 covering a slightly larger part of the probability space!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I canâ€™t see how predicting the â€œpossibilityâ€ of a seat, and matching that with the actual outcome would allow any meaningful ranking of the predictors&#8221; &#8211; actually it is quite a valid predictor of the outcome, provided that you get a lot of people to give their opinions.  It is analogous to the Delphi Technique, for which see:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_technique" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_technique</a></p>
<p>The Centrebet market is quite interesting, and there is probably money to be made even now by covering the central possibilities.  Mind you I can&#8217;t loose!  I put $50 on labor at $1.12 early on in the piece.  If I get nervous I&#8217;ll cover this by putting $2 on labout to win less than 50 seats at $20.  (You&#8217;d be mad to bet on a Coalition victory at $9 when you can get $20 covering a slightly larger part of the probability space!)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2006/09/06/place-your-bets-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2644</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stats, I presume the seats to watch will be the 45-55% range. I say this is just because you think someone will win a seat doesn&#039;t mean you will vote for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stats, I presume the seats to watch will be the 45-55% range. I say this is just because you think someone will win a seat doesn&#8217;t mean you will vote for them.</p>
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		<title>By: edward o</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2006/09/06/place-your-bets-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2643</link>
		<dc:creator>edward o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m stupid, but I can&#039;t see how predicting the &quot;possibility&quot; of a seat, and matching that with the actual outcome would allow any meaningful ranking of the predictors. Why didn&#039;t they just do &quot;who will win every seat&quot; if that&#039;s what they wanted to do. Seems convoluted to me. Maybe too many people would have picked the same outcomes, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m stupid, but I can&#8217;t see how predicting the &#8220;possibility&#8221; of a seat, and matching that with the actual outcome would allow any meaningful ranking of the predictors. Why didn&#8217;t they just do &#8220;who will win every seat&#8221; if that&#8217;s what they wanted to do. Seems convoluted to me. Maybe too many people would have picked the same outcomes, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave S</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2006/09/06/place-your-bets-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2641</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed the Queensland Votes 2006 show.  Just out of curiousity, what was Flegg&#039;s response to Speers&#039; question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed the Queensland Votes 2006 show.  Just out of curiousity, what was Flegg&#8217;s response to Speers&#8217; question?</p>
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