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	<title>Comments on: Morgan: 58.5-41.5</title>
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		<title>By: Mr Q</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/morgan-585-415/comment-page-3/#comment-24825</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be more likely to expect the Greens to make a serious run at lower house seats when there&#039;s an outgoing Labor government than when there&#039;s an outgoing Coalition one when they can pick up a few disaffected Labor votes to push up their primary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be more likely to expect the Greens to make a serious run at lower house seats when there&#8217;s an outgoing Labor government than when there&#8217;s an outgoing Coalition one when they can pick up a few disaffected Labor votes to push up their primary.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 05:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BV - on Morgan&#039;s &#039;face to face&#039; the method has obviously changed.    About 2000/01 I was polled by Morgan and the political questions came upfront in the booklet, which I completed either verbally or myself, but with the surveyor sitting by.      They&#039;ve obviously made it more anonymous since then.    

Presumably any left bias in Morgan is down to not being able to get the rural weighting correct, or perhaps the sort of people who have time at home to complete all those questions (but the latter cuts both ways surely, as the method must over-include OAPs and under-include young people).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BV &#8211; on Morgan&#8217;s &#8216;face to face&#8217; the method has obviously changed.    About 2000/01 I was polled by Morgan and the political questions came upfront in the booklet, which I completed either verbally or myself, but with the surveyor sitting by.      They&#8217;ve obviously made it more anonymous since then.    </p>
<p>Presumably any left bias in Morgan is down to not being able to get the rural weighting correct, or perhaps the sort of people who have time at home to complete all those questions (but the latter cuts both ways surely, as the method must over-include OAPs and under-include young people).</p>
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		<title>By: B.S. Fairman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/morgan-585-415/comment-page-3/#comment-24815</link>
		<dc:creator>B.S. Fairman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Federal seat of Melbourne is less latte drinking than the State seat. It covers areas that are somewhat less yuppified although that is changing. Another factor than stands against the Greens is the massive amount of Housing Commission residents within the seat, that tends to be more &#039;old school&#039; left than Green. Plus Tanners primary would have to fall below 45% or so before there is any real chance for the Greens.

As for Tanner being Finance spokesperson instead of shadow Treasurer: Finance deals with government spending where as the Treasurer deals with the Economy as a whole. Given that the Governments attacks on the ALPs ability to handle the economy centre around government spending, it is perhaps not such a bad idea to have a solid spokesperson on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Federal seat of Melbourne is less latte drinking than the State seat. It covers areas that are somewhat less yuppified although that is changing. Another factor than stands against the Greens is the massive amount of Housing Commission residents within the seat, that tends to be more &#8216;old school&#8217; left than Green. Plus Tanners primary would have to fall below 45% or so before there is any real chance for the Greens.</p>
<p>As for Tanner being Finance spokesperson instead of shadow Treasurer: Finance deals with government spending where as the Treasurer deals with the Economy as a whole. Given that the Governments attacks on the ALPs ability to handle the economy centre around government spending, it is perhaps not such a bad idea to have a solid spokesperson on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just Me,

My figures are not a prediction, more a possible scenario to illustrate both the impossibility of the ALPâ€™s gaining control of the Senate and the extreme unlikelihood of the Greensâ€™ gaining the balance of power.

J-D,

I still havenâ€™t forgotten what Lindsay Tanner did to friends of mine who worked for the FCU.

Adam,

It is no surprise to me that a member of the Left has Thatcherite economics. â€œSocialist Leftoversâ€ â€“ I like that, not that I would not use the term of those in the SL whom I know.  Nor did I know about the DLPâ€™s preferences in Forrest in 1969.  But I am not surprised that the DLP would preference an ETU candidate, given the DLPâ€™s advanced environmental policy for the times and the ETUâ€™s current support for the Greens to the extent of making donations to them (without being disaffiliated from the ALP - perhaps Kevin Ruddâ€™s brother should join the ETU and then rejoin the ALP!).

Given some rather than ill-informed comments about Steve Bracks (reported more than once by Paul Austin of The Age), undoubtedly someone will eventually make the following point, so I am going to go first into the hornetâ€™s nest: Kevin Rudd, Australiaâ€™s first DLP prime minister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just Me,</p>
<p>My figures are not a prediction, more a possible scenario to illustrate both the impossibility of the ALPâ€™s gaining control of the Senate and the extreme unlikelihood of the Greensâ€™ gaining the balance of power.</p>
<p>J-D,</p>
<p>I still havenâ€™t forgotten what Lindsay Tanner did to friends of mine who worked for the FCU.</p>
<p>Adam,</p>
<p>It is no surprise to me that a member of the Left has Thatcherite economics. â€œSocialist Leftoversâ€ â€“ I like that, not that I would not use the term of those in the SL whom I know.  Nor did I know about the DLPâ€™s preferences in Forrest in 1969.  But I am not surprised that the DLP would preference an ETU candidate, given the DLPâ€™s advanced environmental policy for the times and the ETUâ€™s current support for the Greens to the extent of making donations to them (without being disaffiliated from the ALP &#8211; perhaps Kevin Ruddâ€™s brother should join the ETU and then rejoin the ALP!).</p>
<p>Given some rather than ill-informed comments about Steve Bracks (reported more than once by Paul Austin of The Age), undoubtedly someone will eventually make the following point, so I am going to go first into the hornetâ€™s nest: Kevin Rudd, Australiaâ€™s first DLP prime minister.</p>
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		<title>By: J-D</title>
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		<dc:creator>J-D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;96
Adam Says: 
August 10th, 2007 at 11:20 pm 
If Tanner hadnâ€™t been so silly as to join the Socialist Leftovers, he would be shadow Treasurer and might one day be a leadership candidate. Itâ€™s puzzling because his views on most economic matters are Thatcherite.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Seems a little less puzzling to me when I consider his pre-Parliamentary career. Who else was he going to align himself with in a campaign against the former controllers of the Victorian FCU?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>96<br />
Adam Says:<br />
August 10th, 2007 at 11:20 pm<br />
If Tanner hadnâ€™t been so silly as to join the Socialist Leftovers, he would be shadow Treasurer and might one day be a leadership candidate. Itâ€™s puzzling because his views on most economic matters are Thatcherite.</p></blockquote>
<p>Seems a little less puzzling to me when I consider his pre-Parliamentary career. Who else was he going to align himself with in a campaign against the former controllers of the Victorian FCU?</p>
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		<title>By: BxTom</title>
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		<dc:creator>BxTom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, I share a few common friends with Peter Andren and I am assured, by people that I trust, that his stands are principled, not populist. I also wish Peter Andren luck with his illness.

Also, the fact that a policy can be tagged as populist does not mean it is not the correct one. I for one also beleive that &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; politicians work hard, but unfortunately most of them work harder at getting re-elected through blatant electioneering rather than through a record of achievements. That is not what we pay them for. The record of our legislature is this country is a shame because of it. 
Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, I share a few common friends with Peter Andren and I am assured, by people that I trust, that his stands are principled, not populist. I also wish Peter Andren luck with his illness.</p>
<p>Also, the fact that a policy can be tagged as populist does not mean it is not the correct one. I for one also beleive that <i>some</i> politicians work hard, but unfortunately most of them work harder at getting re-elected through blatant electioneering rather than through a record of achievements. That is not what we pay them for. The record of our legislature is this country is a shame because of it.<br />
Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Proud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Proud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, on what basis do you think that the Greens are going to come first in these electorates.  I can see them coming second in Grayndler, Sydney and Melbourne, but I think the very good showing in Cunningham in 2004 may have been a hangover from Organ being the member at the last election.  Can they extract any more?

In the others to go from third to first is a bit hard.  The primary percentages of Green / ALP in each seat is Grayndler (21.1 / 51.2), Sydney (21.6 / 44.7)  and Melbourne (19/51.8).

I don&#039;t think there is anything in the redistributions to overwhelmingly change these proportions.

I think the challenge in an election where the ALP is expected to do well is too great for the greens, they will get lost in the swing to the ALP.  The best chance is a time when the ALP is going backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, on what basis do you think that the Greens are going to come first in these electorates.  I can see them coming second in Grayndler, Sydney and Melbourne, but I think the very good showing in Cunningham in 2004 may have been a hangover from Organ being the member at the last election.  Can they extract any more?</p>
<p>In the others to go from third to first is a bit hard.  The primary percentages of Green / ALP in each seat is Grayndler (21.1 / 51.2), Sydney (21.6 / 44.7)  and Melbourne (19/51.8).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is anything in the redistributions to overwhelmingly change these proportions.</p>
<p>I think the challenge in an election where the ALP is expected to do well is too great for the greens, they will get lost in the swing to the ALP.  The best chance is a time when the ALP is going backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the Greens may go from 3rd last time to 2nd this time and maybe first next time in Melbourne, Sydney, Grayndler and maybe Cunningham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the Greens may go from 3rd last time to 2nd this time and maybe first next time in Melbourne, Sydney, Grayndler and maybe Cunningham.</p>
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		<title>By: barney</title>
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		<dc:creator>barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

To be fair, in 2001 Andren took a strong stand against Howard&#039;s refugee hysteria and won.
That was definitely principled and not populist.
Viewed from afar here in Newcastle I think he is the fair dinkum independent whose main motivation is his integrity, not populism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>To be fair, in 2001 Andren took a strong stand against Howard&#8217;s refugee hysteria and won.<br />
That was definitely principled and not populist.<br />
Viewed from afar here in Newcastle I think he is the fair dinkum independent whose main motivation is his integrity, not populism.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Wigan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/morgan-585-415/comment-page-3/#comment-24746</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Wigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad luck about that Westpoll.  It distracted Steven from his usual entertaining adjustments to the Morgan poll figures.

My sincere condolences to Peter Andren, a politician of real integrity.  Like all others, I hope he pulls through OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad luck about that Westpoll.  It distracted Steven from his usual entertaining adjustments to the Morgan poll figures.</p>
<p>My sincere condolences to Peter Andren, a politician of real integrity.  Like all others, I hope he pulls through OK.</p>
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