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	<title>Comments on: Westpoll: 54-46 (to Labor) in WA</title>
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		<title>By: Seymore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/westpoll-54-46-to-labor-in-wa/comment-page-5/#comment-28367</link>
		<dc:creator>Seymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The explanation given by Rudd regarding his sleazy junket to Scores Strip joint is nothing more than an insult to the intelligence of any thinking voter.
Had he stuck to his original story of being paralytic at the time, and unable to recall the events, even if he had assaulted the lap dancers, he would have retained some semblance of credibility.
But no, when he realises the effect his antics is having on the voting public he has to try and wriggle his way around the issue. Even going to the extreme measure of obtaining a supposedly â€œexoneratingâ€ denial from a purported â€œemployeeâ€ of the establishment.

In doing so, he has been too clever by half, as he had previously admitted on national television that his actions were stupid, and he can only throw  himself on the mercy of the electorate, as he had done with his partner the next morning when he called her. (See transcripts from Laurie Oakes on Sunday)

Now, we have to decide, which actions were stupid and childish?

A) Getting himself into a sleazy situation where by his own admission he had no control over his actions, and accordingly, his discussions to the extent that he felt the need to apologise the next morning, OR 

B) Deciding after less than 15 minutes that seeing naked lap dancers â€œwould not doâ€ and leaving before finishing his beer? (Not the normal action of someone who has admitted he was so inebriated he could not recall the rest of the evening), OR

C) Expecting the Australian public to believe his hastily concocted and lame excuse to attempt to recover some credibility, when it would be obvious he was lying through his teeth to save his political skin!

Perhaps we could take a poll on the choices!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The explanation given by Rudd regarding his sleazy junket to Scores Strip joint is nothing more than an insult to the intelligence of any thinking voter.<br />
Had he stuck to his original story of being paralytic at the time, and unable to recall the events, even if he had assaulted the lap dancers, he would have retained some semblance of credibility.<br />
But no, when he realises the effect his antics is having on the voting public he has to try and wriggle his way around the issue. Even going to the extreme measure of obtaining a supposedly â€œexoneratingâ€ denial from a purported â€œemployeeâ€ of the establishment.</p>
<p>In doing so, he has been too clever by half, as he had previously admitted on national television that his actions were stupid, and he can only throw  himself on the mercy of the electorate, as he had done with his partner the next morning when he called her. (See transcripts from Laurie Oakes on Sunday)</p>
<p>Now, we have to decide, which actions were stupid and childish?</p>
<p>A) Getting himself into a sleazy situation where by his own admission he had no control over his actions, and accordingly, his discussions to the extent that he felt the need to apologise the next morning, OR </p>
<p>B) Deciding after less than 15 minutes that seeing naked lap dancers â€œwould not doâ€ and leaving before finishing his beer? (Not the normal action of someone who has admitted he was so inebriated he could not recall the rest of the evening), OR</p>
<p>C) Expecting the Australian public to believe his hastily concocted and lame excuse to attempt to recover some credibility, when it would be obvious he was lying through his teeth to save his political skin!</p>
<p>Perhaps we could take a poll on the choices!</p>
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		<title>By: Seymore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/westpoll-54-46-to-labor-in-wa/comment-page-5/#comment-28204</link>
		<dc:creator>Seymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting watching the Labor state Premierâ€™s and Federal oppositionâ€™s reactions to new innovations proposed by the Federal Government.

If the idea is a good idea, the collective chant from the State Premiers is â€œThey have had 11 years. Why hasnâ€™t it been done beforeâ€

The best the Rudd minders can come up with is â€œWe need to look at the details before we commit to anythingâ€!

This tells us two things.
First, the State Premiers have no concept of the damage debt can do, and the recovery process required to extract their jurisdictions out of it. 

They are content to assume the Federal government â€œwill fix itâ€, and second, the Rudd opposition is incapable of compiling a workable economic policy and are content to cling onto the coat tails of the Federal government.

This country need a government that is competent, and able to make sound social and financial decisions. Not â€œflip flopâ€ vacillations that do nothing but create a cause of international ridicule!

The innovation announced by the Prime Minister will set this country up to be immune from the Keating style economic disasters that we experienced in the 80â€™s, and ensure a sound future for generations to come, and that means students will have even greater opportunities to excel in world class facilities!

We need a leader who can not only manage the economy, but anticipate the potential disruptions and shortcomings ahead.

We have that now in John Howard and Peter Costello. â€œIt just gets better and betterâ€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting watching the Labor state Premierâ€™s and Federal oppositionâ€™s reactions to new innovations proposed by the Federal Government.</p>
<p>If the idea is a good idea, the collective chant from the State Premiers is â€œThey have had 11 years. Why hasnâ€™t it been done beforeâ€</p>
<p>The best the Rudd minders can come up with is â€œWe need to look at the details before we commit to anythingâ€!</p>
<p>This tells us two things.<br />
First, the State Premiers have no concept of the damage debt can do, and the recovery process required to extract their jurisdictions out of it. </p>
<p>They are content to assume the Federal government â€œwill fix itâ€, and second, the Rudd opposition is incapable of compiling a workable economic policy and are content to cling onto the coat tails of the Federal government.</p>
<p>This country need a government that is competent, and able to make sound social and financial decisions. Not â€œflip flopâ€ vacillations that do nothing but create a cause of international ridicule!</p>
<p>The innovation announced by the Prime Minister will set this country up to be immune from the Keating style economic disasters that we experienced in the 80â€™s, and ensure a sound future for generations to come, and that means students will have even greater opportunities to excel in world class facilities!</p>
<p>We need a leader who can not only manage the economy, but anticipate the potential disruptions and shortcomings ahead.</p>
<p>We have that now in John Howard and Peter Costello. â€œIt just gets better and betterâ€</p>
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		<title>By: Seymore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/westpoll-54-46-to-labor-in-wa/comment-page-5/#comment-28073</link>
		<dc:creator>Seymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of honesty, Rudd stated he was only in the strip joint for an hour, then he said he was too drunk to know what happened, then they find some &quot;doorman&quot; who says he was there for no more than 15 minutes, and acted like &quot;a gentleman&quot; even though he was paralytic!. But not too drunk to notice a girl taking off her dress, but, wait! He suddenly declares &quot;This is no good&quot; and decides to leave, even though his mates wanted to stay! So, he leaves, even before finishing his beer!
Now, come on Kev! You really do take the average Aussie for a dummy! Whoever wrote that little scenario (probably the same author as the Bourke excuse) should try out with Speilberg!
In a word Kev, it is a load of CRAP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of honesty, Rudd stated he was only in the strip joint for an hour, then he said he was too drunk to know what happened, then they find some &#8220;doorman&#8221; who says he was there for no more than 15 minutes, and acted like &#8220;a gentleman&#8221; even though he was paralytic!. But not too drunk to notice a girl taking off her dress, but, wait! He suddenly declares &#8220;This is no good&#8221; and decides to leave, even though his mates wanted to stay! So, he leaves, even before finishing his beer!<br />
Now, come on Kev! You really do take the average Aussie for a dummy! Whoever wrote that little scenario (probably the same author as the Bourke excuse) should try out with Speilberg!<br />
In a word Kev, it is a load of CRAP!</p>
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		<title>By: Seymore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/westpoll-54-46-to-labor-in-wa/comment-page-5/#comment-27920</link>
		<dc:creator>Seymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it about the loony left that they get so touchy when their leader is exposed as nothing more than a sleazebag, who gets himself so drunk that he &quot;can&#039;t recall&quot; his actions? The protection the media gives this buffoon is unbelievable! 

How do you think the conservatives feel when the media exploits the dastardly actions of a Prime Minister tripping over on the steps of a radio station! 
HOW DISGUSTING! And it wasn&#039;t even an ABC station! 
The man should be drawn and quartered for being so un Australian!

Meanwhile, where is the next show that we can see Okhola Rudd doing her thing? 
What a parade of hypocrisy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it about the loony left that they get so touchy when their leader is exposed as nothing more than a sleazebag, who gets himself so drunk that he &#8220;can&#8217;t recall&#8221; his actions? The protection the media gives this buffoon is unbelievable! </p>
<p>How do you think the conservatives feel when the media exploits the dastardly actions of a Prime Minister tripping over on the steps of a radio station!<br />
HOW DISGUSTING! And it wasn&#8217;t even an ABC station!<br />
The man should be drawn and quartered for being so un Australian!</p>
<p>Meanwhile, where is the next show that we can see Okhola Rudd doing her thing?<br />
What a parade of hypocrisy!</p>
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		<title>By: Seymore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/westpoll-54-46-to-labor-in-wa/comment-page-5/#comment-27375</link>
		<dc:creator>Seymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems the secret to becoming Prime Minister of this country is get yourself into a strip club, get off your face so much so you canâ€™t remember if you touched up the girls or not, and then get on TV so the commentators can pat you on the head and say, oh there there, heâ€™s just a red blooded boy!

But donâ€™t, what ever you do, trip over on the steps of a radio station, or you will be pilloried for life!

I guess it puts Therese Rein in the Hillary Clinton club, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems the secret to becoming Prime Minister of this country is get yourself into a strip club, get off your face so much so you canâ€™t remember if you touched up the girls or not, and then get on TV so the commentators can pat you on the head and say, oh there there, heâ€™s just a red blooded boy!</p>
<p>But donâ€™t, what ever you do, trip over on the steps of a radio station, or you will be pilloried for life!</p>
<p>I guess it puts Therese Rein in the Hillary Clinton club, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Seymore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/westpoll-54-46-to-labor-in-wa/comment-page-5/#comment-27049</link>
		<dc:creator>Seymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beattie is trying to make as much noise as he can, thinking he is assisting Rudd the Dudd. In reallity he is making Queenslanders aware of just how bad it could get if Rudd got in!
Oh, hold on.
NEWS FLASH!!
RUDD ADMITS TO BEING DRUNK IN A STRIP JOINT IN NEW YORK!
WARNED TO STOP FEELING UP THE GIRLS!
TOO PISSED TO REMEMBER!

Oh, it&#039;s ok, they are just talking about the guy who wants to be the alternative Prime Minister of Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beattie is trying to make as much noise as he can, thinking he is assisting Rudd the Dudd. In reallity he is making Queenslanders aware of just how bad it could get if Rudd got in!<br />
Oh, hold on.<br />
NEWS FLASH!!<br />
RUDD ADMITS TO BEING DRUNK IN A STRIP JOINT IN NEW YORK!<br />
WARNED TO STOP FEELING UP THE GIRLS!<br />
TOO PISSED TO REMEMBER!</p>
<p>Oh, it&#8217;s ok, they are just talking about the guy who wants to be the alternative Prime Minister of Australia</p>
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		<title>By: Seymore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/westpoll-54-46-to-labor-in-wa/comment-page-5/#comment-26153</link>
		<dc:creator>Seymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be two IR policies from the Labor party now!
One from Rudd, the version that the public gets before the election,
And one from Gillard and the unions, the policy which is marked â€œStrictly Confidentialâ€ and under NO CIRCUMSTANCES is it to be released before the election!
This second version will be the one that will be implemented AFTER the election! 
I guess, if there is only one policy made visible, the choice is easy, no?  Duh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be two IR policies from the Labor party now!<br />
One from Rudd, the version that the public gets before the election,<br />
And one from Gillard and the unions, the policy which is marked â€œStrictly Confidentialâ€ and under NO CIRCUMSTANCES is it to be released before the election!<br />
This second version will be the one that will be implemented AFTER the election!<br />
I guess, if there is only one policy made visible, the choice is easy, no?  Duh</p>
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		<title>By: Seymore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/westpoll-54-46-to-labor-in-wa/comment-page-5/#comment-25944</link>
		<dc:creator>Seymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How convenient for Michael Brissenden  to suddenly recall a dinner with Peter Costello where disparaging comments toward the Prime Minister were supposedly heard.

It is common knowledge that a journalist will go through hell and high water to get his story out before the pack, so why would he wait for more than two years with such a devastating scoop! Oh Paleeeese!

This pushes the credibility envelope of even the most ardent Labor unionist, and it beggars belief that there is not a political motivation behind the story. Is this another cunning smokescreen to cover the Labor Party indiscretions by Swan?

This not only puts under question the political independence of Michael Brissenden, but also that of the 7:30 Report

Perhaps there is a promise of pre-selection to a Maxine McKew style candidacy? 
It would do Brissenden and company better to report on factual issues such as why DID Wayne Swan donate against his own party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How convenient for Michael Brissenden  to suddenly recall a dinner with Peter Costello where disparaging comments toward the Prime Minister were supposedly heard.</p>
<p>It is common knowledge that a journalist will go through hell and high water to get his story out before the pack, so why would he wait for more than two years with such a devastating scoop! Oh Paleeeese!</p>
<p>This pushes the credibility envelope of even the most ardent Labor unionist, and it beggars belief that there is not a political motivation behind the story. Is this another cunning smokescreen to cover the Labor Party indiscretions by Swan?</p>
<p>This not only puts under question the political independence of Michael Brissenden, but also that of the 7:30 Report</p>
<p>Perhaps there is a promise of pre-selection to a Maxine McKew style candidacy?<br />
It would do Brissenden and company better to report on factual issues such as why DID Wayne Swan donate against his own party?</p>
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		<title>By: gusface</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/westpoll-54-46-to-labor-in-wa/comment-page-5/#comment-25626</link>
		<dc:creator>gusface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps Rudd and Swan could take some lessons at the Howard / Costello school of driving?&quot;

Good idea then they can learn to run over the poor,the unemployed ,the aborigines, the iraqis in fact virtually everyone except for the business mates of the liberal party

and then they can turn around and say &quot;but nobody told me&quot;

ps the economy has no relationship to a car anyhoo- just a simple minded analogy for the simple minded</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps Rudd and Swan could take some lessons at the Howard / Costello school of driving?&#8221;</p>
<p>Good idea then they can learn to run over the poor,the unemployed ,the aborigines, the iraqis in fact virtually everyone except for the business mates of the liberal party</p>
<p>and then they can turn around and say &#8220;but nobody told me&#8221;</p>
<p>ps the economy has no relationship to a car anyhoo- just a simple minded analogy for the simple minded</p>
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		<title>By: Seymore</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/08/10/westpoll-54-46-to-labor-in-wa/comment-page-5/#comment-25625</link>
		<dc:creator>Seymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The economy is like a finely tuned car, and it has to be driven with respect.
Sure, you might get 300 KPH out of it, but you wonâ€™t get much distance before you start having problems.

Once you get it to cruising speed, you can back off a little, and, with care and good maintenance the ride is comfortable, and efficient.

Trouble is, some of the owners want to change drivers, but both the new driver and his mechanic are learners! Like hoons, they just want it to be â€œas good as it getsâ€!

Thatâ€™s ok, but you have to know how to drive the car first!
Perhaps Rudd and Swan could take some lessons at the Howard / Costello school of driving?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The economy is like a finely tuned car, and it has to be driven with respect.<br />
Sure, you might get 300 KPH out of it, but you wonâ€™t get much distance before you start having problems.</p>
<p>Once you get it to cruising speed, you can back off a little, and, with care and good maintenance the ride is comfortable, and efficient.</p>
<p>Trouble is, some of the owners want to change drivers, but both the new driver and his mechanic are learners! Like hoons, they just want it to be â€œas good as it getsâ€!</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s ok, but you have to know how to drive the car first!<br />
Perhaps Rudd and Swan could take some lessons at the Howard / Costello school of driving?</p>
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