Adelaide’s Advertiser newspaper today carries a slightly curious poll of voting intention in Boothby, held for the Liberals by Andrew Southcott on a margin of 5.4 per cent. Conducted by phone from a sample of 649, it shows Southcott leading Labor candidate Nicole Cornes by an improbable 49 per cent to 32 per cent after distribution of the undecided. No two-party result is provided, but commenter Matthew Sykes has transcribed the paper’s large volume of generally unilluminating data from the poll throughout the previous comments thread. No doubt the Advertiser’s pollsters do their best, but my mind is drawn back to the final week of the state election campaign last March, when it ran a poll showing the Liberals neck-and-neck in Norwood and set to retain Hartley. Labor went on to win the seats with respective margins of 4.2 per cent and 4.6 per cent.
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“Pauline i dont go out of my way to slander people just as a political retort…my remarks about Gillard are centred on her unfavourable public image that she cant seem to shake…” Can you prove this statement Glen? I can prove Costello’s unpopularity.
Oh and just for the third time, Glen, what is bad/wrong with union members? You seem to have a thing against them. Unions of course Glen as you understand are made up of every day working people. They are not one person.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/opinion/animations/0,25199,29,00.html
What a classic
:) … their newest animation cartoon 
Glen your description of Rudd and Swan sounds more like Howard – Costello!!! Are you getting confused? Are you projecting???
I am insulted by the comparison.
For one thing, Rudd and Swan are a lot less fugly than the liberal married leadership couple from hell!
250 – does anyone else get the joke? Has gone over my head I’m afraid.
Yes they may be made up of everyday working people but Union Officials are not everyday working people many are extremists and many are thugs…also the fact that they make up 100% of the ALP Parliamentary membership is a worrying statistic…to have to force people to be a member of a union to get elected by the ALP is a shame…
Plus only 20% of workers are Union members they are a minority group yet hold great sways in the ALP…Gary how many small business owners/big business owners are going to be happy with Greg Combet or Bill Shorten as the Employment and Workplace Relations Minister or renamed the Minister for Unions and other workers.
So what is your prediction of the Roy Morgan poll out tomorrow Glen?
I predict 57-43
Probably not very good Pauline meaning somewhere around or above 55-45, but ill be happily surprised if its better considering the past half dozen Labor gaffs of late…given the PM’s drought assistance announcement i wouldnt be surprise if it was a good (still bad) result for the Coalition say 54-46.
So what is wrong with the average unionist again Glen? You know the ones that get a secret ballot vote on what goes on. Your everyday hard working person. Those radicals who are striking everywhere and running the place with their 20% of the work force. Name all of those mongrel bosses out there Glen. As for Combet and Shorten they actually have a good name out in the community. Your union paranoia is getting to you Glen.
Hint to a Govt that wants to be re-elected don’t piss off 20% of workers, some of them used to vote for you. Not anymore.
When every 0.5% of the vote is important, keep it up Libs.
I meant union bosses Glen.
Just my humble opinion, and I have spoken up for the merits of Julie Bishop here on many occassions, but frankly no-one coming out of the Howard cabinet can honestly describe themselves as ‘free market liberal democrat.’ The behaviour of this government is incompatible with that tag.
Gary its hard for Shorten to be seen as the ‘devil’ when his PR team gets him down to Beaconsfield the moment of the rock collapse to build his ‘good’ profile…
255 Glen Says: September 27th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Tell that to the exlusive brethren! Tell that to the xenophobic red-necks that form the core constituency of the modern-day liberal party!
Then how do you explain Jasmine the Liberal support for Catholic and independent schools a hallmark of the Howard years trying to give greater choice…the ALP are against free choice unless its to do with social issues (all fair and good mind you in some respects) but the Howard Government has been about free enterprise and giving the market greater power.
Have you gone to the Morgan site and had a look at the effect the “tax gaff” had on the voters Glen? Do yourself a favour. These things fly way over the average person’s head. They may stir you and people like you (rusted ons) up and give you false hope but that’s about it.
I agree with Gary Bruce. 258
Glen, you should desist constantly harassing, disparaging and denigrating hard working Australian workers because of your ideology.
And Union members are just hard working Australian workers.
They are not some kind of inhuman object that you can hate and despise because they have no feelings or emotions. They are like you and me. They have values, ideas, aspirations and they try to make a living like everyone else.
You should not let your internal fears, anxiety and hatred of the “other” rule your heart because they are not “other” but just normal people.
That long list of mongrel union bosses Glen? I don’t see it.
# 264 Glen Says: September 27th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
So who is Dick Honan again? What or who is Manildra?
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/12/1060588384214.html
So what ‘free-market’ are we talking about here? You mean the free-market that had a subsidy placed upon a cheaper import of exactly the same product to protect a mate is your new definition of this?
Howard isn’t interested, and never has been, with a free-market. Except when freedom is the freedom of a huge contributor to shaft consumers in whatever form they like. And they can’t even do that right, if the relationship to Telstra is anything to go by…
Pauline,
I must applaud your efforts, but is it really worth your time to respond to Glen’s rants? His “comments” – it’s all just rehashed lines from the conservative playbook. I haven’t heard Glen utter something even close to an original thought – he’s probably a lib staffer working for a retiring member and as such has nothing to do all day but whine about how unfair it is that people don’t recognise Howard’s greatness – big fat yawn if you ask me. Just think your views could be put to better use than arguing with an intellectual brick wall.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/
have a look of the picture of Costelle that pops up on the Australian’s front page. Looks like he jusy realised Howard is not going to hand over.
Hard working HA i have not said they werent though they give the impression that they are sometimes given the recent 15,000 protest in Melbourne when they should have been on the job…
Pauline i cannot believe that you would stand up and condone the actions of Kevin Reynolds & co, how can you support an organisation that supports such actions…
Unions are irrelevant today, because people can bargain without the Unions we are individuals and we shouldnt have to have Union in a position to ruin the economy by scaring away investment in infrastructure because thugs will do anything to get their way…and cost investers and builders millions because of Union action…might i remind you the ALP will destroy the ABCC which has kept those Union thugs inline but ohhh no its out the door to give the Union thugs the powers they once had…
How nice must it be for Kevin Reynolds to look out of his multi-million dollar apartment on the Swan River in Perth when your average joe worker has lost his job when a business goes bust and can’t pay the rent… doesnt seem really fair doesnt it…seems alot like hypocrisy to me.
All this talk about Labor being full of “union officials” is such bullshit. One of the criteria for membership of the party is membership of a union. Yes, there are plenty of union MEMBERS, and some who have, at some point, been union reps or have indeed gone on to work for a union. I myself used to work for a union – in an administrative capacity – but I’m sure if I ever decided to run for parliament then I would be labelled by the Glens of the world as a “union official”.
Working for a union does not make you a union official. A union official is a specific office-holder such as Branch Secretary or Branch President. Being an industrial lawyer, an industrial officer, a union rep or merely an admin person who works for a union does not make you a union official. If that was the case, a number of ex-industrial lawyers who are now Liberal MPs should also be branded “union officials”.
Just get your hand off it, Glen. It’s getting boring.
Optimist…you claim i have no thoughts of my own…then i rant sometimes about the failings of my side of politics and then you and others say i am an intelligent conservative get with the programme just because you rant on about Rudd and Labor doesnt mean your opinions are straight from party HQ get real!
Can you explain Glen just how Government subsiding private medical insurance and private education (notice those little words private) – the Government is not liberal, it is not free market, it has a fairly relaxed attitude to democracy. I think the appropriate tag would be Immoral Rovian Pragmatists. Got anything more appropriate Glen?
Has Kevin Reynolds broken any laws?
If yes he should be dealt with.
Report him to the police and don’t waste my time with one individual and try to smear good honest Australians with it.
Your attempt at ridiculing Gillard with fugly comments and now your attempt to smear good honest Australians says a lot about your ideology.
To preserve the standards of factual accuracy for which this site is justly famed, I should point out that the Reynolds love nest in fact overlooks the Canning River.
# 273 Glen Says: September 27th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
Glen, there’s a saying that a liar never believes anyone else, and this is one of those types of statements.
Your comments ARE in fact from liberal HQ, and it is very very clear. Me… I’m not a member of a union OR a member of the ALP, and no-one gives me any pointers to the way I should think, act, or talk at all. Your ‘young liberal’ group does exactly that, and you are nothing more than a model representative of that particular group.
Unlike you, I rely upon rational thought, facts, and experience, backed up by an argument based upon reality. You rely upon incomplete understanding, slogans, and marketing material provided by spin-merchants.
You think we’re all the same, and we’re not.
jasmine
You forgot the agrarian socialists in the Govt. why do we have a Deputy Prime Minister who belongs to a party that can only get ~6% of the vote?
William i stand corrected i think it was the new development near Canning Bridge…
Class action started looking for $1 billion in damages from the Federal Govt. over equine ‘flu.
Another nail in the coffin.
ruawake … I quite like the agrarian socialists…
Ruawake…because the people of the Bush deserve a voice…that’s why Vaile is Deputy PM do you really think the ALP are going to give a …. about the bush if they win that’s why they vote for the Coalition time and time again…
Oh and Pi we most certainly aren’t the same…my opinions and beliefs are based on reason and logic yours are based on a warped philosophy of socialism
William shouldn’t he (Mr Reynolds) be able to see the Swan River as well from there … from my window I can see both rivers and his building…
And Glen you lost the songs book silly boy, did you forget that Workchoices has made all Western Australians megarich, megahappy and we all sit on balcony’s of 15 floor luxury apartment blocks. Remember there aren’t any mortgage burdened exploited workers under workchoices sweetheart … see what I said yesterday wannbe candidates cannot be allowed to leave the script they stuff it up every single time. Keep on message.
Glen
Tell that to the voters of Kennedy.
Glen, remember that Bracksy won the bush in 1999 to topple Kennett, and Labor retained virtually all its regional gains in 2002 and 2006.
Glen
A gaff is a fishing term. You mean gaffe, a blunder. Are you still in kinder or are you in the big school?
Sorry, William, it was a non-core promise.
Jasmine if you read my post it was about businesses going bust not being exploited and fired by workchoices lady. And Jasmine if people think their mortgage payments are tough now how bad are they going to be with Gillard or Swan lol… And most people on AWAs in WA are earning more than they would under awards so Labor’s system actually duds people money that employers want to pay them but wont if Fair Work Australia ever comes into existence!
Ruawake Katter was Nat and he is still a conservative
!
Lord D the ALP have lost a lot of the vote they got in 1999 by the 2006 poll and several regional seats were returned to the Libs/Nats in fact that’s where alot of their gains were…
Derek pointing out petty spelling errors demeans you more than it does me im afraid at least i can attack people on policy than childish name calling…you always lose the debate Derek when you go so low…
#282 Glen Says: September 27th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
Socialism? Are you sure? My logic is based upon looking at actions, not inventing logic from slogans. I look at the xenophobia as a problem, and based that analysis from my experience. You look at xenophobia as an asset, and base that analysis upon ignorance.
I work for an engineering company, and quite frankly, I’m doing peachy. it doesn’t stop me from recognizing that driving people less fortunate than me less into poverty by stripping away their rights to collectively bargain, is not in their interests, OR mine. I’ve lived in countries that have this environment (including america) and the only thing I’ve ever seen it do is cause division, polarisation, crime and an increase in fundamentalism.
Ya see… that’s called EXPERIENCE. It aint a slogan, it’s not something I get from a fact-sheet from my local liberal branch, and it has absolutely nothing to do with your very stale, and very immature, view of what the word socialism actually means. For you, it’s just something you’ve studied in a book, and have no idea how to put into context, except to relate it to a political party as a slogan associated with a negative connotation.
I’m going to vote for a party that doesn’t demonize helpless people (is that socialisem?), doesn’t strip peoples rights so that they can’t coordinate their resources if they feel they’d be better served doing so (is that socialism), doesn’t try to dis-enfranchise our most vulnerable people by changing the electoral laws (is that socialism), and doesn’t use fear and xenophobia as their primary method of managing primary voter support!
Because ya see Glen… if the liberal party stops doing that (and after this election, they’re not going to have a choice) then they might become electable. Until that time, they’re just a lose collection of neo-conservatives using ignorance, slogans, smear and fear to hang on to power. And you’re just a stupid kid peddling their filth.
I hand out ALP HTV’s in rural booths. Almost without exception the Nat’s workers are “decent” hard working pleasant people, real agrarian socialists. It never ceases to astonish me that their leaders coalesce with the white sand shoe brigade that are the Libs. And the electors in my state seat threw out the “National Treasure” as he was known, & put in an independant, who threw out Kennett.
Glen who mentioned conservatives?
“that’s why they vote for the Coalition time and time again”
Lets try New England
Is that your list Glen of mongrel union bosses. Kevin Reynolds? Then there’s ah, um ….
Tony Windsor was a National MP as well what’s your point these people are conservative but like their local members more than the Nats…
I think Pi needs to not stress out so much about all the problems with the world and how Kevin Rudd will solve all of them because he’s a saint…take a chill pill mate!
Probably not worth much, but Roy Morgan’s reactor shows little reaction from either party’s supporters to Rudd’s tax gaffe, while both sides reacted as one would expect when Costello criticised it in parliament.
http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2007/4216/
So the nice Shrek is helping Harry Potter and the WA ANF escape from teh evil ACTU.
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=41697
Glen
Just to keep the accuracy of William’s site.
“Antony Harold Curties “Tony” Windsor (born 2 September 1950), Australian politician, has been an independent member of the Australian House of Representatives since 2001, representing the Division of New England, New South Wales. He was born in Quirindi, New South Wales, and was educated at the University of New England. He was a farmer before entering politics.
In May 1991, Windsor was first elected to the New South Wales Legislative Assembly as the independent Member for Tamworth. Windsor was originally the preferred candidate of The Nationals for this seat, though was replaced at the last moment due to allegations in regards to a drink-driving incident on the day of his pre-selection. He held this seat for ten years before resigning in September, 2001, to contest the federal seat of New England. He won the seat, and in doing so, defeated incumbent National Party MP Stuart St. Clair. The National Party and its predecessor, the Country Party, had held New England continuously since 1922.”
Tony Windsor was never a Nat.
Laurie Oakes shows how this “team” and “experience” strategy is nothing new.
http://thebulletinelection.ninemsn.com.au/the_alp_team.htm?_cobr=optus
That reactor thing is an utter waste of time
Gary Bruce here is a short list that I have complied for your benefit…few words but ’scum’ can be best to describe these individuals…im sure not all Unionists are as bad as these people but you are looking at a very unflattering group of people in my opinion…and the Unions and the ALP themselves should be displeased with how they have given the Unions a bad name!
Kevin Reynolds
Craig Johnston
John Speight
Sharan Burrow
Norm Gallagher
Martin Kingham
Dean Mighell
Leigh Hubbard
Cesar Melham
‘most people on AWA’s in WA are earning more than they would under awards’
Glen you don’t have statistics on AWA’s because the dishonest clowns who introduced and run workchoices don’t have the courage to release them. So you are stating as fact something that is at best a guess, and worst is just deliberately dishonest.
Secondly you clearly don’t understand the labor market, odd that someone who claims to be free market advocate understands it so demonstrably terribly. In a boom market not only will people be paying above award (making your comparison redundant at best I have much nastier words but I’m a good girl) but the awards would be going up increasing the safety net if Howard and Costello’s negligence can’t be turned around by Rudd and Swan quickly enough to avoid a serious downturn.
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