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Thanks for the typing Matthew
Charlie (110) – I wasn’t having a go at you personally, nor was I especially defending Nicole Cornes as a candidate, merely that I was backing up Jasmine’s assertions that women candidates (especially ones that don’t have ‘male’ credibility, such as McKew’s journalism) are judged on harsher criteria than the boys are. I have heard nothing about how other candidates dress, for example, and nor should I.
To be fair, I think it’s hard for us white males to appreciate discrimination, primarily because we never experience it, and only by recognising our inherently privileged position in society (because last time I looked, the world was still being run by white men) can we start to see the injustices perpetrated against those who don’t fit that mould. This can be a bit confronting for some – no one wants to think that they are racist and/or sexist – but it is essential to understanding one’s place in the world.
Anthony at 129… Newspoll data is searchable at
http://www.newspoll.com.au/cgi-bin/polling/display_poll_data.pl
You have to click through Political and Issues Trends and then Federal Voting Intention, but eventually you get to enter a date range and woohoo, stats fly.
I think Aristotle has jumped on the head of that 1993 primary come-back line a few times at OzElection2007. But it might’ve been Possum. Has anyone seen them in the same room together anyway? Hmm?
I’ve only met her once but I was actually surprised by how much I liked her (I was expecting a bimbo), so I’m now no longer surprised to hear her say that she gets a positive reaction from the people she meets.
Incidentally, if you take the preference flow from the last election, this poll gives the Libs 53/47 TPP. This represents about a 4% swing to the ALP from 2004.
Sorry, I can’t add up. That should have been about a 3% swing to the ALP.
No problems Martin, it was easier to type out that table than finish the research grant I am currently writing.
The last time I spoke to someone in the ALP in SA, they told me that Cornes was being received well by the voters at shopping centres etc, even though she didn’t know much about much, she was good talking to the mums etc. This may have been over-optimistic, and she has been getting a savaging in the Morgoth press as we would expect.
Having said that, my view has always been that suburban seats will go with the statewide swing regardless of candidate factors. All polls this year have shown a whopping swing in SA, and it’s hard to think that Boothby would be exempt from that swing just because the candidate is, or is thought to be, a dumb blonde. And it’s not as if the Liberal candidate is all that stellar. However, in a small and parochial town like Adelaide I suppose that could be the case.
The media have now decided that Boothby is now a “vital,” “crucial,” “key” seat etc, which of course it isn’t. It’s number 20 on the Coalition hit parade, so winning it would be nice but isn’t essential. If Labor wins Kingston, Wakefield and Makin SA will have done its duty.
I don’t know I could only see a short overcoat and what looked like a harness. I don’t know how strong fetish trends run in SA, but even if fetish wear is not acceptable high-society circles I’m not sure still how it pertains to her quality as a candidate.
Also to help you on this, some of you do seem a little flustered (and my introduction of fetish wear is probably not going to calm your little hearts) you are welcome to debate her ‘electablility’ thereby moving the debate from our sensitive little souls to the question of whether or not the electorate is sexist. I suspect it is and then you can blame the collective masses and not take the fact we have a sexist society so personally.
If elected her job in theory is to make law (something 90% of politicians are completely unsuited for and this is all done by draftspersons) and to represent the people of her seat. Which she can do quite well in a millimeter thick coat of bright pink latex. In reality her job is to do exactly what caucus decides, and stay friendly enough with the electorate to be returned, and if she turned to me as her fashion advisor in respect to being re-elected I might advise her to find a laura ashley shop (if they are still open anywhere).
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22485063-12377,00.html
Pollies are ‘dog-whistling’ us (as in the average voter, not pollbludger addicts).
“Mr Fear said conservative politicians were more likely to use dog-whistle tactics, while those to the left of centre seeking to distort the truth were more likely to resort to spin.”
68 Antony Green. Brilliant Antony. I would like a feature to wash dishes. Any chance?
Nicole needs to challenge her opponent to a debate then to show she is now up to speed and to overcome that negavtive start.
I like you idea Kina but the headlines would be all ‘blonde celebrity gossip columnist parrot learns lines well’.
It does seem like Labor pre-selected someone dumb, and that this may well cost them the seat. A bit of an aaargh, but they’ll make up for it in other areas.
I give up; but Labor has selected lots of dumb people, we will see on election night how many of them get elected and how many don’t and unlike the dumb liberals wont feature in the inner cabinet.
Too show I have a sense of humor:
Traditional Woman’s Cure for headaches:
Take a lime, cut it in half and rub it on your forehead. The throbbing will go away.
The Working Woman’s way:
Cure for headaches. Take a lime, cut it in half and drop it in a double vodka. Drink the vodka. You might still have the headache, but you won’t care!
Traditional Woman:
Freeze leftover wine into ice cubes for future use in casseroles and sauces.
The Working Woman’s way:
Left over wine??? HELLO!!!????
The Liberal cheer squad are cheap, very cheap. They must be worried that Nicole Cornes is going to win. Gee, in WA we have some really good pollies – Don Randall, Wilson Tuckey, Noel Crichton-Brown, Brian Burke, Julian Grill to mention just a few. No-one ever accused them of being lightweight. Nicole Cornes is entitled to have a go, as much as anyone is.
Jasmine,
Both sides pick dumb people as candidates. There’s countless numbers of federal and state MPs on both sides that would need daily help to put on their shoes. I suspect Cornes gets some additional attention because she’s photogenic and they can then run a photo of her alongside the story.
Yes, I do have low expectations of the Murdoch tabloids.
The feral ABC has certainly done Nicole over again today. But, as a former candidate in both state and federal elections, I can honestly say that she is better than at least 90 percent of people who present themselves for public office. As for the latest poll, Mike Rann said today that the Tiser had Vini Ciccarello losing Norwood three days before the last state election and she “won in a landslide”. Well, not quite a landslide, Mike, but comfortably.
I met her at a party once before she was a candidate. I too was somewhat surprised, but she was very pleasant and did not come across as a bimbo in any way, shape or form.
Her lack of policy knowledge sounds problematic, but I suspect she is just projecting an image which is producing a hostile response.
Incidentally, two Liberal candidates in Victoria (Hamish Jones in Maribyrnong and Cam Nation in Gorton) have had to be withdrawn because of their complete and utter stupidity as shown by comments and videos on their own blogs. I happen to know that this was fed to The Australian, but of course they didn’t report it.
Now I’m off my soap box, Chris, you know I’m a big fan of your expression, your ideas, your research and passion. And more importantly you are correct.
But really you seem to be indicating that you hope the Murdoch papers will give you a run just because they are pursuing a politically biased, logically and factually flawed conservative agenda? And you on the other hand are right and have the future of our country and the education of our children dear to your heart. Why would you even send the email to them they show no signs of caring for the things you hold dear?
has anyone seen this? ive just recieved a wonderful letter lauding the extra money i’ll get on my war widows pension from next march, i’ll smile and accept it gratefully and still vote for Rudd.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22482457-5012863,00.html
Now this is clever. My opinion of the CCC just went up. Philip Adams may be an old windbag, but he does understand media.
http://climatechangecoalition.com.au/home/video-filelinks/jack-simmons-needs-your-vote.html
News Ltd is being incredibly biased against Cornes, describing her as a celebrity candidate and constantly showing the picture of her in an evening dress.
Yet Cornes has run a successful small business and is finishing a law degree at Flinders.
It does sound as if they percieve Cornes as a significant threat to try and belittle her so often.
The big thing in her favour is hands on approach to the people in her electorate, doorknocking and regular contact with people, and the positive feedback she is getting.
Cornes old style approach could well pay off and the lib member, Southcott, is on the Work Place relations committe, an enthusiatic supporter of Work Choices. Housing affordability is also an issue in Boothby, yet Howard and Southcott deny there is an crisis.
Pru Goward only got elected to Goulburn because of her old style doorknock approach. Perceptions about people can change dramatically once you meet them in person and I think that Cornes is still in with a chance as is Bailey in North Sydney. Nothing beats the personal approach.
Again, the key question is about the quality of the candidate. My understanding is that it is still technically a judgement of the local party members as to who is the best candidate. I’m very interested to know (perhaps someone with a bit more time than me can find out) how many candidates have been selected by the major parties in defiance of party preselection rules or in clear defiance of the wishes of the local party members. Having said that, I’m not looking for someone to take me to school with a bunch of cut-and-paste paragraphs from Liberal or Labor party rule books (hope that headed off a few of you) – I’m just keen to know about the number of parachute candidates, carpet-baggers and machine people that have been slotted in with scarce attention payed to the procedure that SHOULD be used.
Also, people talk about a “good candidate” and a “bad candidate” as though there was a standard formula for determinig either – not so, in many areas, a good candidate is one who is able to truly connect with the local community and understand their issues fully in attempting to represent them, in others, a good candidate can be considered one who has a bright political fututre, can effect real change at a Government level etc…..
Then you have the problem of the vast gap between what local people look for in a candidate and the political imperatives guiding a party machine in the preselection process machine. I could go on forever………
my main point is that a candidate can be a dud for many reasons and better than they appear for as many reasons – sadly, as ever, in politics its more about who you know than what you know.
Hugo @ 141, I take intimations that I hold sexist views personally, and I think I should. I realised that your comment wasn’t aimed directly at me, but it wasn’t specifically aimed away from me either. I may not be experienced when it comes to racial or sexual discrimination, but I do not what it is like to be harassed and on occasion even discriminated against on account of disability (Asperger’s Syndrome).
It also happens that I agree with the general point on women getting marked more harshly than men in the political arena. However, Jasmine goes further and basically tars any criticism of a female candidate with the *sexist* brush. It might sound good at Emily’s List meetings (and to pre-empt, yes I support the premise of Emily’s List), but it’s just plain offensive when you tell people that their views on a particular candidate are due to prejudice.
Jasmine @ 134, perhaps the best way I can respond is to tell you what I *like* about the candidates that I do like. Perhaps in return in your next response you could acknowledge that your haste in tarring me with the s-word is an unwarranted slur that is not borne out by my comments. Incidentally, you’ve STILL ignored my comments about the other female politicians I mentioned. Perhaps they don’t fit with your presumption of guilt.
Anyway, on to other things. I do NOT want grey men from the machine. Some posters here that know me from another website (David Walsh, Mr Q and bmwofoz) could confirm for you that I am extremely critical of the insular nature of the ALP. In fact, it is one of the reasons that I have thus far not taken the plunge and joined the Party. I won’t comment about them because, by their very nature, they are all more or less the same and we all know what they are like.
To its credit, however, the Party has made a better than usual effort to bring in relative outsiders this time. There are basically two categories here. One is the local community leader and activist – local mayors, business people, members of community organisations and professionals. Due to their essentially local profiles, we tend to know little about them if they don’t come from our area. Examples of this group in 2007 would be George Newhouse, George Colbran, Liz Prime and Damien Hale.
The second and more relevant group are your ’star’ candidates. These might or might not have a high profile, but they usually have a particular identifiable experience or trait that makes them an asset to the parliamentary Labor Party. I will list the candidates that I put in this category, and what I think they offer:
Maxine McKew – 30+ years in political journalism gives McKew both the profile and the credibility to take on Howard and win. She will arguably have more experience of Canberra and the workings of government than any of her parliamentary colleagues if she wins Bennelong, despite not having been in parliament. For that reason – and for her undeniable ability – she deserves to be promoted straight into the ministry.
Mark Dreyfus QC – a quasi-machine man, but one who brings more legal expertise than anyone already in caucus possesses, and he also has a record of work promoting party reform here in Victoria.
Ross Daniels – the candidate for Ryan. Academic, social worker and human rights activist who has been international chairperson of Amnesty International. He’s a long-shot to get elected, but if he does he will hopefully help fill the void about to be left by Carmen Lawrence as the moral compass of the caucus.
Peter Tinley, Mike Kelly and Rodney Cocks – the three soldiers have each been well-selected and will help the Party to wrest back leadership on national security from the chickenhawks in the Libs. All three have put their lives on the line in East Timor, Afghanistan and Iraq (not to mention Cocks distinguishing himself as a hero in the Bali bombings) and have had the courage to speak out about what they believed in. Kelly also brings military law expertise that maybe, just maybe, might help us bring a bit of sanity and morality back into the national security debate.
Gary Gray – I might not agree with him on carbon emissions, but he will certainly be the only member of the parliamentary Labor Party to have been the CEO of a major corporation. Gray will be essential to the Party’s hopes of swaying the resources industries away from their current infatuation with the Coalition. We might not like those industries, but reaching some sort of satisfactory result on climate change and industrial relations is going to need at least a modicum of cooperation.
Melissa Parke – here’s someone that I’d never heard of until Carmen Lawrence retired, but her resume is compelling. She’s only 40 but she brings years of field and diplomatic experience at the United Nations into parliament. She’s a future Foreign Minister – maybe even higher.
Where does Nicole Cornes fit into that group? Err, she’s written a fluff piece in a Sunday newspaper. I’m sorry, but she just doesn’t measure up to the same standards – and I’m not referring to her cup size. Believe it or not, Jasmine, it’s possible to think that a female candidate DOESN’T offer anything of value as a prospective MP, WITHOUT being a misogynist bastard.
Frankly, (and again without casting any aspersions on Cornes’ actual abilities), the suggestion of a backbench full of highly intelligent, driven individuals, fully on top of all aspects of public policy sounds like a recipe for disaster…
Another hint about the election date . I was watching Sky News earlier this afternoon and they had Spiers on talking from Canberra. I missed the earlier part of the report but apparently they had an interview clip with Howard about something or other and he had commented upon the election date I guess. The words apparently were “….. by early December ….. ” because that was the portion Sky had edited out and put on their banner splash across the bottom of the screen. Now, haven’t we all heard here before that the Libs had cancelled their mailouts for November? Putting those 2 pieces together, for a minimum 33 day campaign, he would have to call the election the last Monday in October so yet one more parliamentary sitting. There are too many pieces of information floating around here and it is horribly confusing. Costello, if he knew what he was talking about said we wouldn’t have another sitting of parliament, which would mean an even longer campaign. Yet Howard has never called elections longer than the minimum before.
Libs better call the election soon or they will drive us crazy. The longer they wait, the more votes they leak from anger and frustration >;-(
Er, that wasn’t aimed at Charlie’s post btw, the timing was just accidental.
Hehe the problem with Labor is there are only three types of candidates…
Union Officials, Labor Staffers or Celebrity candidates….how about pre-selecting people from the Real Australia…
One reason why the Libs have been successful is that they pre-select people from all walks of life from different communities….police officers, doctors, defence force servicemen/women, lawyers, small business operators…the problem with Labor is they’re stuck with having to put so many Union officials into the parliamentary Labor Party when they could be putting better people on the ballot paper in the final analysis…
Wonder if the Libs have pre-selected all their candidates yet perhaps when that happens it will give an indication as to when the election will be….i think Parliament could go back in October for a later Nov early Dec poll…
Instead of the Learner Latham the Coalition have again stuck to a familiar and potent formula….Don’t Risk Rudd….perfect!
I don’t have a subscription to Crikey so can’t read the details but this is enough to convince me that the Liberal candidates in affected areas had better be worried …..
“The equine influenza outbreak is becoming an increasingly awkward issue for the Coalition with the natural reaction of people affected by it being to blame someone for their economic and social hardship and the Federal Government being a logical candidate for the venting of spleen. [further details only for subscribers]
The fatal flaw in the “Don’t risk Rudd” campaign is people actually don’t believe it. Its policy or bust from now on.
Is there a chocolate frog for the person who correctly guesses the election date – I mademy prediction for a 1 december poll about six or eight weeks ago now and I’m not sharing with any Glen-come-lately’s who wanna piece of my freddo.
I just spoke to a bank teller who asked me if Labor was the party of Kym Beazley or Kevin Rudd.
I somehow don’t think the electorate is 100% switched on yet.
Glen @ #179
One could argue that the Coalition’s rehashing of an old slogan is just like their policies. Always looking backwards; never looking forwards. I think that’s the perception that the Coalition has presented to the electorate, and that is what is sticking. This slogan will just reinforce that perception. The Government appears to be at war with the ghosts of the past.
In contrast, I expect the ALP’s slogan’s will be positive and forward thinking. This will further reinforce the distinct advantage Ridd has over Howard.
Tomorrow’s leader versus yesterday’s hero.
Optimist,
If there was, I missed out on it. I was hanging my hat on the last Saturday in October and I don’t think I will get it now
. Howard is an absolute [insert appropriate word] for waiting until after the Reserve Bank sits in early November!
ahem
“Ridd” should read “Rudd”. Obvious I’m sure.
Poor Nicole. I’ve just heard her asked on ABC radio to explain Labor’s IT policy. She did not sound much like she knew what IR or AWA’s or Workchoices actually referred to.. stumbled, lost for words…Oh no, not good….
Southcott is a SA ugly. A global warming sceptic and very pro Iraq. He had a 2% swing against him last election moving Boothby into the marginal zone. In 2001 the ALP could only get 25% of primaries.
So it is amazing that the ALP is even competitive, don’t write Cornes off just yet. Humphrey B Bear could win once the election is called.
Thanks for the tips Glen. And Charlie don’t take this personally, it wasn’t meant personally and my comments were based on the thread when she was pre-selected.
But please – even given you long post I still do not know what is wrong with the candidate except she was a gossip columnist and wears too little clothes. So you’d prefer political journalists to fluffy ones but I don’t get it as a genuine criticism. That is what I’m asking for. Something about her that makes her a bad candidate. Not that you don’t approve of her appearance or previous job.
The difficulty you are going to have is there is no real explanation for the these pretty nasty attacks on one candidate in one seat other than she wore a small dress and isn’t as smart as a UN lawyer. If you are just a liberal battler feel free to have a go but if you are shooting for considered independent analysis you are going to have to find criticisms you are making of 1/2 the field or things that apply to her that do not apply to every small business / real estate hack who has branched stacked the local chamber of commerce done a stint as a chamber president before being wedged into a liberal seat ‘as a real local businessman’ not withstanding he, to borrow a quote above, needs help putting his shoes on in the morning.
hehehe this is why you run the risk of putting political novices in important positions Nicole and Mike Kelly are no Maxine because they will struggle in the campaigns compared to someone with a fair knowledge of politics i dare say many of us would do a better job than Nicole at explaining Labor’s IT/broadband and IR policy than her hhehehe Andrew Southcott must be thanking his lucky stars he has been given a political ‘dunce’ to try and take away his seat…
After all it would be a shame to see Southcott go after all he is the Liberal Dorothy Dixers asker!
Even the questions she is being asked, I challenge anyone to ask Stuart Henry in Hasluck to explain the Liberal Party Policy on anything more complex than graffiti (his pet local issue) – he doesn’t even get asked.
But I understand she is a smart attractive woman with most of a law degree and still in with a chance. Smart attractive women do need to be 4x as good as Stuart Henry in pretty much every area to get a go and there is a word for that sexism.
“Libs better call the election soon or they will drive us crazy. The longer they wait, the more votes they leak from anger and frustration >;-(”
I agree Julie. Since APEC ended, it has become increasingly common to hear people saying that they wish Howard would just call the election and get it over with. In fact, some seem to think that he already has and that election day is coming very soon.
I think the media are holding back on this issue because they know it has the potential to cause a lot of anger in the electorate. But even so, I think the impression that Howard is being selfish is starting to take root.
Of course, Howard supporters want him to wait until any improvement in the polls. But Howard won’t want to piss off the swinging voters too much.
Anyway, it is increasingly looking like a late-November poll now.
Charlie,
i take issue with your description of Mark Dreyfus. He is a total machine man and while he might have more legal expertise than anyone currently in caucus, that doesn’t change the fact that a dozen other people would be better choices than him – for two simple reasons. The first is that Bob Debus is coming in in Macquarie (i think) and as a former NSW AG, i rate him as far more useful to the ALP than Dreyfus. In looking for legal expertise, the ALP dropped the ball BIG TIME in failing to push the preselection candidacy in Blaxland of respected constitutional lawyer, Professor George Williams – would have brought serious legal and academic firepower to the ALP caucus.
The second reason (and this goes back to my earlier post about the many and varied things that make a “good” or “bad” candidate) is the fact that Dreyfus is a risk to the ALP retaining the seat of Isaacs in future elections. He is steadily earning a reputation as a lazy campaigner and his refusal to move into the seat has not been welcomed by locals.
Dreyfus is in Isaacs for one reason only – a power grab by the right faction of the ALP. No news there, but the concern is that someone like Dreyfus is a careerist who will be more concerned with his position on the front bench than with building support in the community – watch that seat over the next couple of elections – my bet is that Dreyfus will look for a safer seat before long or he will lose Isaacs within two elections after this year. This is a perfect example of how short-sighted the preselection process can be when it is dominated by factional rivalry. Oh, and before Glen starts, there are plenty of examples of it among the libs – perfect example – Alex Hawke in the seat of Mitchell (watch this piece of work in coming years – i bet his maiden speech is the biggest thing since Hanson).
Don’t risk Rudd is really just a play on L-Plates Latham.
They are fightling the last election all over again.
It won’t work because it is backwards, it is old, it is boring and no one is listening or believing it anyway.
I think Labor should run:
Don’t Risk WorkChoices Mark II
Don’t risk climate change?
Don’t risk education?
Don’t risk infrastructure?
Don’t risk the status quo?
Don’t risk the future – Act Now! Vote Rudd!
Labor’s “I have a plan for the future” to me is only slightly less dumb than Iemma’s campaign slogan.
179 Glen Says: September 26th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
The problem with the conservatives, is there are only three types of candidates…
Lawyers
Bible-bashers
Xenophobic red-necks
She’s a bad candidate because she’s illiterate on ALP policy, let alone government policy. There are others in that boat, sure, and if you wish to name some (rather than just lumping them into an amorphous ‘half the field’) I’m happy to discuss their credentials or lack thereof. She’s out of her depth, through little fault of her own, and as a result Labor looks unlikely to win a seat that with a typical candidate they’d be strong favourites to gain.
Also, my Labor sympathies and disdain for the Liberals is so well known that it is surely a waste of William’s bandwidth for me to catalogue the reasons why I think Nelson, Hockey, Bishop, Andrews, Turnbull et al are buffoons. I hold Labor to a higher standard because I *know* there’s no hope of a government I could support coming from the Coalition, but I still hold out hope for the ALP. So let me make this clear: I’m not interested in who the Coalition is putting up. I want good LABOR candidates.
Finally, you say that I have not made the case why she’s a bad candidate (although I think I have made the point repeatedly – she’s incapable of telling us why her ideas and beliefs are worthy of voting for her). You have NEVER given any supporting argument for why my criticism of her is supposedly based on her sex. It seems, Jasmine, that you’re pretty good at throwing the mud but not so good at justifying it.
Oh, and you are calling me a sexist. You might think it’s just a word to be thrown around willy-nilly with no harm done, but it IS personal, it IS a slur and you should damn well know it.
Here is the full Newspoll details for the WA Poll, which I can assume are due to a couple of high profile law and order cases being raised in the local media.
http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/0907%20wa.pdf
John Howard has revisted the debris of previous campaigns and kicked over the dried turds laying around about, picking out a few here and there to breath life into.
The Children Overboard turd was a bit dried and white by now but he picked it up anyway and called it Haneef. Unfortunately no matter how hard he threw it against the wall it wouldn’t stick. STRIKE 1
Then he chanced upon an old favourite interest rate turd that he loved to keep in the draw next to his bed. But upon throwing that against the wall it evaporated into a cloud of dust smearing his face. STRIKE 2
The there was that old ‘no ticker’ turd, a bit small but worth a go. He threw that up against the wall but having got caught in the wind it land fair in the middle of Costello’s face. STRIKE 3
Never fear the Oz is here. Scraping together the remnants of the racism, xenophobia intolerance turd [calling it the nasty evil Labor muliticulturalism turd], always a Howard favourite and one he likes to produce anew every night in the privacy of his widefronts, gave that a fling against the wall and there it stuck. But no one noticed, the walls of the OZ being already thouroughly blackened with sundry turds.
There gathered the entire Cabinet, on their hands and knees, giving CPR to every little turd of elections past. One little skinny turd remained which Abbott had beathed life into after constant stroking and kissing, they called it ‘dont risk rudd’.
Without fear, racism, xenophobia, intolerance, greed, deceite, spite, malice, smear and dishonesty the Howard govt would not have survived.
AND now once more they pull out the same rubbish that Australians have moved on from and are sickened to remember. ANOTHER negative campaign by Howard will fittingly add votes to Labor as it reminds everyone of how Howard and his people operate, and it is a unpleasant memory.
Optimist,
You probably know more about Dreyfus than me, as my impressions are almost entirely second-hand. Also, I had forgotten about Bob Debus.
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