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One day in November

As you’re all no doubt aware, the Prime Minister has just held a press conference announcing the election will be held on November 24. Didn’t hear the whole thing, but after all the justified outrage about the government’s changes to electoral laws, I am surprised to learn that the legal formalities will be conducted on a timetable that will leave the rolls open until October 22.

UPDATE: Those who have had time to think about this point out that the writs will be issued on Wednesday, so the deadline for new enrolments is 8pm that evening. The October 22 date invoked by the Prime Minister is the closing date for amendment to existing enrolments.

UPDATE 2: An AEC press release announces: “If you’re not on the electoral roll and you’re entitled to enrol, you must fill in an enrolment form immediately and return it to an AEC office by 8pm, Wednesday 17 October. If you’re already on the roll but still need to update your address details, to ensure your vote you must complete an enrolment form and return it to an AEC office by 8pm Tuesday 23 October”.

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  1. 401
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Blacburn at 380

    When the PM starts getting referred to as a “silly old coot” by 78 year olds, things just aint looking too crash hot in the general scheme of things. :-)

  2. 402
    Not'Appy@Eden Monaro
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Suggestion for campaign song….

    It’s Time
    It’s time for freedom,
    It’s time for moving, It’s time to begin,
    Yes It’s time It’s time Australia,
    It’s time for moving, It’s time for proving,
    Yes It’s time

    It’s time for all folk,
    It’s time for moving, It’s time to give,
    Yes It’s time

    It’s time for children,
    It’s time to show them, Time to look ahead,
    Yes It’s time

    Time for freedom,
    Time for moving, Time to be clear,
    Yes It’s time

    Time Australia,
    Time for moving, It’s time for proving,
    Yes It’s time

    Time for better,
    Come together, It’s time to move,
    Yes It’s time

    Time to stand up,
    Time to shout it, Time, Time, Time,
    Yes It’s time

    Time to move on,
    Time to stand up, time to say ‘yes’,
    Yes It’s time
    ______________________

    Ok, Just kiddin’……at least an apparent majority are buying back into the sentiment – and have done since last December :) As they say on Iron Chef – “Bang a Gong, Get it On!!”

  3. 403
    Glen
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    How upset Labor voters will be if Howard wins a 5th term…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsYRQkmVifg&mode=related&search=

  4. 404
    Max
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    I have nothing new to say.

    Except.

    Johnny for PM.

    May the best team win, and may god grace us by presenting more conservatives to debate on this blog in the next month. Otherwise I predict it won’t be long until I go absolutely nuts. One thing is for sure: I sure as hell will be avoiding my usua tradition of coming to this site on election night. Might go get drunk instead.

    Or I’ll avoid it all and go campaigning for Mr X. Either or.

    Cheers

  5. 405
    Chris Curtis
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Glenn (188),

    The Victorian Government has reduced taxes as a percentage of gross state product by more than $2 billion since 1999 (from 5.8 per cent to 4.8 per cent). The states’ GST revenue, at 5 per cent of GDP, is the same proportion as the typical pre-GST federal revenue to the states and less than the highest pre-GST federal revenue to the states (7 per cent of GDP). The 2 per cent gap is around $20 billion that the states are not getting.

  6. 406
    Dario
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Barry #391 [I thought Mark Vaile was a Stock and Station Agent aka Used Cow Salesman.]

    Yeah, he did that too. I could have listed more occupations for some of them but was trying to keep it simple. His last occupation before politics was a real estate agent I believe.

  7. 407
    Derek Corbett
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Blackburn @ 380

    Thanks. Always informative, the elderly. Love “Silly old coot”. Haven’t heard that expression for years. When expressed, it carries deep meaning, I recall. Indicates distain.

    All the best.

  8. 408
    Leopold
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Caught a Coalition ad on Seven just now. Looked a bit cheap, frankly.

    Howard-Costello v Rudd-Swan and Sharon Burrows. Prosperity etc.

    They’ll need to do a bit better than that. How about some live video of Howard and Costello discussing the future together?

  9. 409
    oakeshott country
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Dario,
    Vaile worked for a stock and station agent for a time. He is said to have been not terribly successful. After doing the HSC he spent a long time as a Jackaroo (in the local ALP he is known as the “boundary rider”) before coming back to Wingham. Here’s a question for pedants – what school educated both our current Chief Justice and deputy PM? Clue : It’s not Joeys or Riverview.
    He is one of the most fortunate politicians in Australia. He won the pre-selection for Lyne by 1 vote. In a three cornered contest he beat the third placed liberal by 2 votes on primaries and had an agreement from the liberal that he would not contest the result.
    His stellar and unexpected rise in the ministry is well documented in William’s summary of the seat.
    It just shows that in a democracy, you don’t have to be too bright to become a leader (thank God, we are not a nuclear power).

    William,
    What about splitting the threads into rants and psephology? If today’s any indication, at the end of 6 weeks you will have 41,000 posts but only about 5% will be on topic.

  10. 410
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Glen says: “Yes lets have the Unions run Australia and lets have one party be in at all levels of Government and lets have a bloke who has less than 1 year of leadership experience and been in Parliament for less than 10 years as PM and lets have Julia Gillard as Deputy Prime Minister and lets have Wayne Swan as Treasurer.”

    To which I answer, “yes let’s, sounds good to me.” Now I’m a Labor hack so you don’t care what I think, but that’s also the answer that between 55 and 60% of the electorate have been consistently giving all year. That’s exactly what they want – unions, Gillard, the premiers, the whole shebang. They just can’t wait. Glen, if you guys run this line for the next six weeks you will not just lose you will get thrashed. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

  11. 411
    K Jin
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Re the GG girl who calls Rudd the girlyman.
    Yes OH backwards.
    Will she stand her ground as it shifts from under her
    After all she in her family household was a Keating Girl
    Much like Hillary who was a Goldwater Girl
    But of course Hillary has amounted to something
    and looks to amount to a lot more
    OH JANET Rid yourself of your chains
    AMOUNT 2 something beyound leaping mainstream leafy suburb marriage.

  12. 412
    Stephen Hill
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Saw the first government ads that are kicking out the campaign.

    Starting with the “trust on the economy” theme you’d expect any incumbent to run hard on, but then completely destroyed the idea they were trying to project with a juvenile attack on Julia Gillard.

  13. 413
    Dario
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    ESJ 387 [Wrong - Hockey and Minchin should be down as party hacks. Turnbull had done a number of things and McGauran should be down as landed gentry.]

    Nah, they’re all lawyers. Of course, if you didn’t go around labelling anyone who came within 100 feet of a union as a ‘union official’ then you wouldn’t have this problem.

  14. 414
    Glen
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Clearly Adam if that is the only line we use then we will lose…the difference is what will be the Coalition’s policies and how popular they may be…you need negative and positive elements to a campaign…

    The Liberals do have some good positive ads but they obviously arent running just yet…i would be very wary of anybody who likes having one party be in charge everywhere in a country that would destroy accountability…Adam will know exactly why we’ve heard nothing and will hear nothing from the Unions throughout the campaign because they know that if they start banging on about IR it will hurt KR that’s why we haven’t heard from the Union bosses for several months now…

  15. 415
    Molotov
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    I just signed up for Green corfluting tommorow – Whatch out Downer here we come!

  16. 416
    Aristotle
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    David Briggs of Galaxy suggested on Seven News tonight that the Coalition has a 10% chance of winning the election and that the ALP could win as many as 10 seats in QLD.

  17. 417
    Molotov
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    I also just signed up for Bennelong corfluting Maxine WATCH OUT!

  18. 418
    Steveo
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Sean

    Dunkley was a pritty safe Labor seat not that recently,
    the same as my neighbouring electorate of Hughes,

    I think there is a very good chance they both could fall

    If you ook at the lest state election in NSW,
    Hughes is moslty the state seat of Menai, which is a Labor seat

  19. 419
    Molotov
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    I also hope to run as an independent in the seat of Graydnier – AA BOO!

  20. 420
    oakeshott country
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps you should learn how to spell it first

  21. 421
    Rx
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Caught a Coalition ad on Seven just now. Looked a bit cheap, frankly

    Typical isn’t it? Extravagant to the point of being offensive when using taxpayers’ money for advertising. Stingy when using their own. Lousy Liberals!

  22. 422
    Molotov
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Who am I? What am I getting at? A election …………..
    () c=B
    () c=B
    () c=B
    () c=B
    ()c=B

    Get It?

  23. 423
    Molotov
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    WILLIAM perhaps you should moderate this penis

  24. 424
    Bluebottle
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Glen the only people in this country these days who think the Unions are ‘EVIL’ and the sky will fall down if ex union reps are involved in governing the country are idiots like yourself who have no substantive basis for this scare campaign bulldust.

    I hope JWH keeps prattling on about the ‘evil’ unions- it turns people off and in fact plays into Rudd’s hands because people now being screwed by WORKCHOICES will be wishing they WERE union members now and had some collective protection in place. Dohh, an own goal !!

  25. 425
    Chris Curtis
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Adam (410),

    One of the fascinating things about the current Liberal Party is its inability to engage with reality. Every tactic it has tried this year has failed miserably, but it seems unable to move away. It and its supporters just have to keep telling us all about the “big bad unions” in the supposition that if the one hundredth time didn’t work, maybe the hundred and first would. I posted way earlier this year about how the Liberals had become a joke, rather than a serious campaigning force. Nothing since then has changed my mind. I still believe, as I stated months ago, that John Howard cannot win this election, but the other belief I expressed at the same time – that the Left could win it for him – isn’t going to happen either. That leaves one possibility – Kevin Rudd losing it – and that is also extremely unlikely, despite his tendency to blame the poor old staff.

  26. 426
    ruawake
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Glen

    The unions have not been advertising because the Govt has been doing their job for them.

    The ads will start very soon, we will also see others, for example the disabled lobby group have nominated seats where the disabled vote is enough to change govt seats. (15 Seats !!).

    The perfect electoral storm is brewing, you cannot ignore sizeable group who want to see the end of this Govt.

  27. 427
    BMWofVictoria
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Dunkley has never been a safe ALP seat, its allway been marginal seat terriorty centred on Franga (Frankston)

    A useless stat the seat covering Frankston has only returned an ALP member on the following occasions, I may have missed one (1929-1952 by-election-1984-1987-1993)

  28. 428
    K Jin
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    THE HARD TRUTH FOR RIGHT WINGERS IS only the left in true democarys wins WARS
    Curtain in Australia
    IN THE US Roosevelt etc.
    Menzies was a running scared coward much like JONNIE helleo in Vietnam
    BUSNIES can’t win wars.
    Only the left with the crazy right ( hoping for facism if they get in power) behind them can prevail
    GLEN GLEN
    if u guys had had your way we would be speaking Jap
    BEFORE U ASK MY FAMILY GAVE AT THE FRONT

  29. 429
    BMWofVictoria
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Between 1984 to 2001 the seat of Dunkley didn’t swing by more than 1.9% either way

  30. 430
    James J
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    If you’ve not seen the ads they can be seen here:

    http://www.liberal.org.au/info/multimedia/detail/20071014_TheEconomyisCentraltoEverything.php

    http://www.liberal.org.au/info/multimedia/detail/20071014_ReasonstoVoteLiberal.php

  31. 431
    Derek Corbett
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Molotov

    Wise instructions. May I add: WEAR A CARDIGAN OR A JUMPER WITH POCKETS. TAKE YOUR OWN PEN.

  32. 432
    JustAlarmed
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    oakeshott country at 409
    We’re right off topic here, but it is Joey’s, is it not?

  33. 433
    K Jin
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    1 must think of the snake that tells the rat that he by swallowing him will keep him warm
    IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR COUNTRY FUTURE
    _____ YOU WILL watch the cricket India are doing well no wickets down

  34. 434
    Snakeboy
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    paisano @ #393 – Great post.

  35. 435
    Let It End
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    #430 James J
    Sheesh, those ads are like wet lettuce., Libs must be broke

  36. 436
    Dasho
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Just saw the first of the liberal ads on TV. They are re-hashing the ‘L’ campaign. Will anybody buy into it this time?

  37. 437
    oakeshott country
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    No Just alarmed – Surprisingly it’s St Joseph’s Primary School, Wingham ( Run By the Black Joeys)

  38. 438
    Matt
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    In regards to the: ‘Why doesnt Labor highlight that 2/3 of Howard’s team are lawyers’?

    This is an easy one…and it’s the same kind of thinking that got Latham in trouble in 2004. Why alienate the entire legal industry just to reinforce your vote with your voter base? Howard can demonise ‘union bosses’ all he wants because the chance of a union official voting Liberal is incredibly low. However even if a majority of lawyers vote Lib, there’s likely a solid minority who do or might vote Labor.

    Only caveat I can think of is that it [mentioning the lawyers] may work a bit better in rural electorates.

    Better to ignore it and focus the debate on your strengths.

  39. 439
    canberra boy
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Possum at #343 – Where did you hear that the Taverner poll was taken only in Melbourne & Sydney? My hard copy Sun-Herald says 979 voters in NSW & Victoria – their website also says NSW & Vic without the number.

  40. 440
    Rx
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    The “union bosses” line would only work with the already rusted-on over 50s Libs, surely. Militant unionism has been unheard of for decades.

  41. 441
    Snakeboy
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    And can I just say how delighted I am to see snakes finally receiving their deserved level of commentary here. I can’t wait to tell Snakegirl.

  42. 442
    Julie
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    385
    Derek Corbett Says:
    October 14th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
    AM

    It’s a great line about snakes, but I fear it’s unfair on snakes. In my experience with snakes, I have found them to be fair and reasonable. They defend their territory and their young by trying to kill you, which is fair enough. No, I have to disagree. John Howard is not a snake. Snakes are honourable creatures.

    ROTFL ….. ;-) Ok, I will bite. We know he is a rat, that has been proven. Lets just call him a rat and leave it at that ;-D

  43. 443
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    393 Paisano “but hope springs eternal in an ageing breast” Que?

  44. 444
    JustAlarmed
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    oakeshott country at 437. Right. We’re at cross purposes. That’s the one I meant (not the “apparently” famous one at Hunter’s Hill). Vaile went to Taree High so it had to be primary.

  45. 445
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Excuse my ignorance but what does “;-D” mean?

  46. 446
    Snakeboy
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    # 443 – Alexander Pope – “Hope springs eternal in the human breast”.

  47. 447
    Rx
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Gary Bruce 445, it is called an emoticon. Tilt your head ninety degrees to the left to look and it portrays a wink and broad smile.

  48. 448
    paul k
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    428 K Jin Says:
    October 14th, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    THE HARD TRUTH FOR RIGHT WINGERS IS only the left in true democarys wins WARS

    Sorry but that’s just silly. If we’re going to have a debate can we at least be sensible.

  49. 449
    Eddie-C
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Gary Bruce
    Excuse my ignorance but what does “;-D” mean?
    Change the D to ) and you get one of these ;-)

  50. 450
    Let It End
    Posted Sunday, October 14, 2007 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Good summary of the wasted years here;
    So what has really changed under John Howard? In terms of structural reform, several big items stand out.

    The most far-reaching was the introduction in 2000 of the GST, the broad-based consumption tax that Mr Keating tried to introduce in the 1980s. Used to fund the Commonwealth’s annual payments to the states, the GST has meant that the Howard Government has become the highest-taxing government in our history.
    ..snip…

    According to the Bureau of Statistics, when Mr Howard came to power in 1996, tax receipts stood at 22.8 per cent of gross domestic product. They now stand at 25.2 per cent (including GST).

    Next came two waves of industrial relations changes. The first, in 1997, was the introduction of Australian Workplace Agreements. Next, in 2005, were the controversial WorkChoices laws.
    On the face of it, Mr Howard’s record on structural change doesn’t look as impressive, or as comprehensive, as that of Hawke and Keating. Errington says that Mr Howard has never argued otherwise. “Howard concedes that Hawke and Keating did the heavy lifting on economic reform with his support from opposition,” he says.

    “Howard has pursued unpopular reform where it will benefit the Liberal Party in the long term, such as privatisation which makes public sector unions weaker, and industrial relations, but has been poor on government regulation. Remember his promise to halve regulation on small business? Spending has also been poorly targeted towards short-term political considerations instead of infrastructure.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/federalelection2007/howards-run-the-good-the-bad-the-taxing/2007/10/13/1191696241362.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap2

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