The Australian has published a follow-up to its weekend Newspoll survey, showing issues rated most important and the party considered best equipped to handle them. Labor holds handsome leads on six of the eight listed issues, the exceptions being the economy and national security. Interestingly, the Coalition’s score on industrial relations has increased to 34 per cent from 31 per cent at the previous survey in June, after hovering around 30 per cent since the beginning of 2006. Industrial relations is also the one issue where there was no appreciable shift to Labor when Kevin Rudd became leader. The other issue to run against the overall trend is national security – it surged to Labor as strongly as any other when Rudd took over, but the Coalition has since recovered to levels near those of the Beazley era.
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rcandelori = troll.
Ignore. It’s that simple. If you deny a troll oxygen, they go away.
From reading the tabloids, it looks like Ben Cousins has broken his election promises and will be punished at the polls.
In other news, a lemur that looks like Rodney Dangerfield!
I didn’t know that Labor don’t have all the economic figures accessible as compared to the government. So I take my previous comment back
Now, Labor is rightly / fairly deserved the time spending on studying the figures (just made available to them from the government) before releasing their tax policy.
Guys i really think the attacks back and forth are getting a bit over the top. Bullying a poster of any persuasion off the blog makes it less interesting for us all. Yup, a bit of good natured banter is fun, but its getting a bit rude at times.
Well, that’s candelori skewered. Can be get back to discussing polls?
“most public students are trouble makers”
Robert Candelori
Wow. That is way past mere immaturity. That is serious ideological idiocy and contempt.
And you wonder why hard-right conservatives are on the nose?
No. 199
I do take it personally because every time a legitimate argument is raised, you are asked whether you are a member of the Liberal party. Why should anyone be subject to such harrassment?
It is a smoke and mirrors attempt to avoid addressing the argument. It could be said that all members here are ALP staffers, but that’s an immature and totally unsubstantiated view, yet anyone who supports the government is accused of being a stooge. It highlights a distinct policy of double standards and hypocrisy.
William, I’d take no offense if you removed my google work (or didn’t) – I accept it could have heightened the silliness.
The tax bribe and work.
http://petermartin.blogspot.com/2007/10/spin-doctor-do-tax-cuts-encourage.html
# 179 rcandelori Says: October 17th, 2007 at 11:24 am
Call me whatever you like… at least I can back up my assertions, and am not scared of answering questions like…
At what point did howard release his tax policy in the 1996 election?
Well? When?
No 208
My comments in 2001 are unnceptable and wrong and I’ve never made such assessments since.
In the end, it seems people are more concerned about destroying my character as opposed to dealing with the current election. Isn’t it hypocritical to accuse the Howard government of smears, when the ALP apologists are resorting to blatant smears themselves?
William,
Time to nalpham some of these comments? It’s getting a bit personal from both sides.
rcandelori,
I don’t mind one iota what your political affiliations are. You say you want to debate issues, then let’s debate on substance. Many have asked why Keating’s 17% interest rates in the past are significant, but Howard’s 1996 campaign is not. According to you, times have changed, meaning Rudd should release a tax policy. Why the different standards being applied to the ALP and not the Coalition?
A valid question. I await your considered reply.
Janet Albrechtsen reminds me of a talking lizard.
Rudd should turn up to the debate with the Channel 9 Camera crew.
190 rcandelori Says: October 17th, 2007 at 11:33 am
190 rcandelori Says: October 17th, 2007 at 11:33 am
But that doesn’t make sense. If it is a federally collected tax, and the federal government is providing less support to hospitals as a percentage than ever before, doesn’t that logically mean that if there’s a hospital problem, the government should put its share (from the tax it collects) back to where it was before?
And tell me… what is the state of bulk-billing these days? Has that increased or decreased? And while you’re at it… doesn’t a decrease in bulk billing lead to more strain on hospitals?
Well? You’re big on rhetoric there son… time to pony up with answers to the difficult questions.
# 213 rcandelori Says: October 17th, 2007 at 11:48 am
So now quoting you is smearing you?
The people who were questioned for this “Newspoll – issues” poll were also the ones who said they would vote ALP (48% PV) and be prepared to give Labor a resounding victory. As Mumble says the only vote that matters is the party vote. Oops, there goes Shanahan and Kelly’s arguments.
No 215
My comments were in the context of Rudd spruiking an illusive plan for the future, yet so far, we’ve heard much about this plan, but not what it actually contains. So, my point is, Howard didn’t have this grandiose future plan, as far as I can recall (I was a mere child back in 1996) so he shouldn’t be held to the same standard.
Isn’t it interesting how quickly Costello forgets about the GST.
I agree that under his plan you won’t pay INCOME TAX for the first $16,000. However, that doesn’t mean things you buy are tax free.
221 rcandelori Says: October 17th, 2007 at 11:54 am
So a 4.5 billion dollar broadband rollout isn’t a plan for the future?
No. 218
Pi, of course it makes sense.
The federal government does not include the GST in the budget papers because it is totally rediverted back to the states.
The percentage comparison made in the media, as far as I’m aware, ignores the GST from the feds.
Gary, you’re right. It doesn’t make sense to discount one part of the poll as ‘they haven’t decided for sure’ but accept the other part of the poll. It really stinks of them assuming that everyone must think the same as them (eg. ‘Well of course the economy is most important… so that means if they answer the Coalition is better at handling the economy they will eventually vote for them!’)
Also, I thought Shanahan had already gone on the record as saying the polls are wrong (eg. mobile-only households not being taken into account) and that the really crucial part of the poll is the preferred PM question.
They just have no credibility if they twist polls to say what they want them to say. Best just to show the poll and state what is says without the spin. eg. The two party preferred vote shows X/X. When questioned on who they believed would handle the economy the best X% respondents answered the Coalition.
Would it hurt them so much to do this?
Hey, fair go, they need to write about SOMETHING! What do you want them to do, limit themselves to writing about things backed up by evidence?
No. 223
No. It is a rehash of an old Telstra plan.
We are all here for intelligent discussion, and to catch up on the latest political news.
Please do not respond to posts that are intentionally argumentative. Please do not stoke the fire when threads degenerate into childish arguments.
In other words: please STFU unless you have something intelligent to say.
I’ve found the Newspoll site and have looked at the June 07 and Feb 07 figures. No detail on Leadership – in fact, Newspoll appear to do the same thing every quarter: they put Leadership in the 9 most important issues, but when they do their “summary”, they only list 8 and always drop off Leadership, regardless of where it appears in the top 9. Interestingly fishy, I think.
Also, you don’t seem to be able to access October 06 figures; it merely takes you to the October 07 figures, not just on this poll but also the main “who would you vote for…” one.
#221
It’s all about the politics: If Rudd came out with several policy announcements this early in the campaign, it leaves pleanty of time for the Coalition to manufacture some “hole” in them, even if such a hole may not exist. As perception is everything, this could be very damaging, even if the funding hole is subsequently found to be non-existent. Also, it gives the Government less opportunity to “trump” Labor on various proposals.
Mind you, even when Labor does release a policy with “meat”, it is immediately shouted down by the Government and their supporters as “lacking substance”. Of course, this is expected from a Government trailing in the polls as it is. I reckon it is also driven by input from crosby-textor.
What Rudd is doing is smart politics, and is obviously causing the Coalition angst. This will increase if next week’s newspoll is sans bounce for the Coalition.
Bread and butter. If Rudd says he’ll leave taxes unchanged, I think that will be enough. It isn’t for him a defensive election, which means he doesn’t have to try and match anything – “32bn$ tax cuts? Motherf*cker no! Im going to cut them by $44bn!”. I’ve read two posts now talking about how much it costs to go to the doctor: $110! Far out, that’s steep. And because people in La Trobe get sick and $110 is a fair bit of cash for a trip tot eh GP, and because people in Hasluck get sick, and because people in Solomon, Kalgoorlie and Eden-Monaro get sick, then just ride roughshot over ideological split and go for the bread and butter.
Cap doctors’ vists at $40 or something like it. Stuff like that. I mean, it seems pretty obvious to me that Rudd isn’t going to get away with that Bob Hawke-Paul Keating everyman thing – “you are not folksy. You are not plain spoken. Do not, do not, do not act like it” – he might as well play up the social democratic nature of a Labo(u)r party. Force a situation where Howard has to slap down his plans. I think there’s still an outside chance that, if by changing the narrative to Howard battles Rudd’s ideas that The Narrowing may not happen.
Has anyone seen any written report of Howard’s lamentable gaffe yesterday about average weekly earnings and current official interest rates? I can’t seem to find anything about it. No doubt if it was Rudd who’d made such glaring errors, it would be splashed everywhere.
Oddly enough, it was the main story at the Daily Telegraph today here in Sydney too. The front page picture covered about 75% of the page.
LTEP at 225
Well yes it would hurt them. If they just stated the facts their headline each Tuesday would be ‘Labor headed for massive win’. Now which Australian reads want to read A) About Labor winning and B) The same thing each Tues for almost a year in a row?
Their analyses are ridiculous, but they appeal to the target audience and are thus commercially sound.
We should be content that we know better and that the election isn’t decided by people who read the Australian (or newspapers for that matter).
# 224 rcandelori Says: October 17th, 2007 at 11:58 am
What does that have to do with anything?
The percentage comparison made in the media, as far as I’m aware, ignores the GST from the feds.
# 224 rcandelori Says: October 17th, 2007 at 11:58 am
What does that have to do with anything?
The percentage comparison made in the media, as far as I’m aware, ignores the GST from the feds.
Does it? Where did you get that idea?
So… you you’re using incomplete understanding of the process of taxation and distribution to the states, to not even justify something that you know the federal government is responsible for, and can fix, and has reduced funding for, and continues to blame the states for.
While at the same time has loading more people into the system they’re underfunding, by slashing funding for aged care (another federal responsibility) and doctors care (another federal responsibility).
Have I got that right?
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rcandelori
Fair enough. Though you do understand you can’t then criticise others for youthful political indiscretions (alleged or actual).
I think he will announce an earned income tax credit to help people with children on low and middle incomes. He should also try to integrate it with child care fees.
I don’t think his priority will be shifting the highest tax rate from 45, to 35 cents. That rate only applies to people earning over $150,000, how many of those people vote Labor?
LTEP,
I think it’s safe to say that we can expect zero logic from Mr Shanahan – his credibility checked out some time ago now. Let us not forget that this is the commentator who, in the days following the 2004 election stated that John Howard had won a two term majority in the HoR and that he would not use his senate majority to bring in unpopular legislation.
See my earlier post (#84) for predictions on the next angle of approach taken by the sad old Government Gazette – I hope Shanahan takes a teaching job after this – I’m gonna enrol in his class as it will be the only forum in which he will be obliged to defend his odious brand of hackery.
# 227 rcandelori Says: October 17th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
It is no such thing. Stop inventing stuff.
You go find me a link to where Telstra proposed an open-access architecture public/private broadband network.
Fabricating lies because you can’t defend the indefensible is not a good look.
No 236
It is relevant because the state budgets include the GST whereas the federal budget excludes it.
The GST is a federal tax that cannot be ignored. You can keep up the circumlocution, or you can deal with the facts.
Well, the betting markets are buying Newspoll’s BS. Labor nearing or at $1.50 now and the Libs $1.65. Hard to believe really.
ShowsOn:
earned income tax credit…sounds vaguely…familiar…
Holy hell, Rudd’s going to win the 2007 Australian Fenderal Election by being Helen Clark. Brilliant. If that’s true, if he copies her, then the Liberals might never govern again.
(dramatic music)
…for a long time.
Gary — you mean $2.65 for Libs.
I won’t believe it until some polls come out. I think everyone assumed the government would try anything to stay in power, that was factored into their judgement of the last 70 odd polls. I don’t see why they would start changing now just because the campaign is on.
Or is it $10.65?
No 241
Given that the ALP is practically in bed with Sol and the amigos, I don’t see how the idea of “open-access broadband” is reconcilable with monopolistic tendencies to quash competitors.
If you actually look at the policy document on the ALP website, it is a bunch of rhetoric, and the $4.7 billion figure is plucked from thin air.
http://www.alp.org.au/download/now/070321_dp_new_directions_for_communications___a_broadband_future_for_australia___building_a_nationial_broadband_network.pdf
showson @ 238 – actually, quite a few people that i know earn 150k or more, and they all vote labor (or greens).
Another thing the ALP will do is remove GST on “sanitary products” and books.
Lose the election – Couldn’t agree with you more. The GG is a disgrace. It would be nice if they could just report the news and give up trying to persuade everyone to vote coalition.
hi all
the nationals candidate in leichhardt has described his electorate as “unsuitable for a woman”.Unfortunately the Lib candidate is a woman(ex-prawn trawler worker according to Mal brough).Story was just on abc 12 o’clock news
i think joe public has two messages re Libs:
a vote for howard is a vote for the exclusive brethren (EB)
The coalition is not really woman friendly eg the heiferman etc now reinforced by the dill in leichhardt
ps dont feed the trolls
I beleive the United States was the first government to introduce it in 1990, but it was greatly expanded when Clinton became president.
Interestingly, it now has very broad bipartisan support in the U.S., so it is curious that it hasn’t been introduced here. The government seems to prefer Family Tax Benefits A & B, and fudging around with rates, rather than just not taking the tax in the first place.
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