Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth

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  1. 151
    S
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    I know I said it before, but Rudd’s memory for figures is very, very strong.

  2. 152
    Scotty
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Rudd is on fire. Absolutely blitzing. Must have had a good night’s sleep and a nice relaxing day fill of cramming.

  3. 153
    S Zulian
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Mr Grumble-bum.

  4. 154
    colourful marsupial
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    he’s losing his temper and Ruddy is cool as cucumber!! oh yeah baby

  5. 155
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    H is loosing it!

  6. 156
    Not'Appy@Eden Monaro
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    As Ruddy said – we should ALL be friends of the worm. And I am now!

    No wonder JWH only wanted the one and sooooo early. THerein the rub – does it mean much? Better wait till the end tho

  7. 157
    Alex McDonnel
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Howard is having a whinge already

  8. 158
    Pi
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Ooh… a little bit of biffo about the OECD literature…

  9. 159
    turfmeister
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Howard’s crying crocodile tears now! He’ll take his bat and ball and go home shortly – what a sook he is.

  10. 160
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    When Howard mentioned the Unions funding to the ALP why didn’t Rudd mention:

    EB
    Lord Michael Ashcrofts $1million in 2004
    Pratts monies

  11. 161
    S Zulian
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    67,000! Love it. Rudd is so hot right now.

  12. 162
    AnthonyL
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Finally. A Labor leader who gives credit to Bob Hawke and Paul Keating. Hoorah!

  13. 163
    Peter Kemp
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    GReat Hawke Keating economic reform!!!!!!

    Stick it to him Kevvie

  14. 164
    S Zulian
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    agreed AnthonyL

  15. 165
    Charlie
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    About bloody time. Thankyou Kevin, for finally doing something to reclaim Labor’s economic legacy.

  16. 166
    Tory Crimes
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Typical- Costello barracking fom the sidelines. He cant help himself.

  17. 167
    Peter Kemp
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    FFS union thing and balance, what twaddle

  18. 168
    Flash
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Kel is romancing Kath on the kitchen table.

  19. 169
    S Zulian
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Costello is a classic. He’d be more fun to watch that Grumble Bum Howard.

  20. 170
    Kina
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Costello, barracking for which one?

  21. 171
    S
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    There is a bit of a lift from 0 when Howard starts slamming unions, which might explain why he keeps mention it

  22. 172
    AM
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    I think Costello is cheering for Rudd.

  23. 173
    PD41
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Rudd is actually doing very well highlighting the positive aspects of Labor’s economic record in government -it has taken some of the sting out of Howard’s arguments on economic issues

    LOL-now Howard’s returned to the 70% trade unions representation in the Labor federal cabinet. Is he really that desperate to show that he’s out of new arguments and ideas?

  24. 174
    ChrisC
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Oh. Now workchoices has “balance”. Ha!

  25. 175
    S Zulian
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    I hope howard keeps talking about Work Choices.

  26. 176
    AnthonyL
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Sky Fall In! Now who needs a bingo card?

  27. 177
    AM
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Workchoices, quick the worm needs an ambulance.

  28. 178
    Tory Crimes
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    The worm has spoken-Howard has no credibility on anything.

  29. 179
    wysiwyg
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Johnnie’s sky is falling in right now …

  30. 180
    Kina
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Has the worm a plastic covering?

  31. 181
    haiku
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Workchoices not so good for Howard.

  32. 182
    S
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Does anybody know how many jobs are created ‘normally’ (ie, prior to Workchoices, in the same period of time?)

  33. 183
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    I had to go and take a leak. What did $weetie do?

  34. 184
    Not'Appy@Eden Monaro
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    IR reform gives Howard’s worm brewer’s droop or a flatline

  35. 185
    AnthonyL
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Good one Laurie remind him of his core and non-core promises!

  36. 186
    judy
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Howard is getting grumpier and grumpier, he butts in instead of waiting his turn as well.

  37. 187
    turfmeister
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    The Lib’s IR policy has no traction at all for the mug punter, it just an outright negative for them…..bring on those anti-WC ads!

  38. 188
    anthony baxter
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    The worm just doesn’t care about what Howard says – has it got further the one bar into positive territory at any point in the night?

    Howard’s pissy moment over the OECD really does show the difference between Question Time and normal human behaviour. That shot would have gone down fine in QT, but looked awful in this context.

    In all seriousness, has Howard actually mentioned any future plans at all, aside from the tax cuts?

  39. 189
    Michael
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Howard is taking a hell of a battering. The questions are spun against him.

  40. 190
    Tory Crimes
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Howard looks so shifty and the worm is giving him a belting.

  41. 191
    S Zulian
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Are we actually getting lectured by Howard “You there watching this…” Wow! A new low.

  42. 192
    gusface
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    the worm confirms

    worstchoices stinks

  43. 193
    steve of wakefield
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    I’m surprised that the worm seems neutral when Howard talks WorkChoices… no, I spoke too soon.

  44. 194
    AM
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    The worm is flatlining for Howard.

    Go Laurie give it to Howard

  45. 195
    haiku
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    No Iraq questions yet.

  46. 196
    AnthonyL
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    I’m calling it. Howard looses his cool. Howard loses his cool. Will be the headlines tomorrow. I wish for “Captain Grumpy!” but don’t think it’ll happen. It would in the UK.

  47. 197
    wysiwyg
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    I will never hear a bad word against Laurie Oakes or Paul Kelly again – neither can be snowed, and they’re both capable if dishing it out to any side. Plus a whiff of blood in the water really gets them going …

  48. 198
    Kina
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Howard – glass jaw

  49. 199
    Tory Crimes
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Thats right Kev- Howard has been rabbiting on and on and on.

  50. 200
    paul k
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    The worm is being a bit unrealistic now. It just went up as soon as Rudd opened his mouth.

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