Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth

Open debate thread

A thread for you all to discuss the debate as it happens. If you don’t like the company round here, there’s a live chatroom at Larvatus Prodeo.

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  1. 251
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    I’m very suspicious of the worm.

    Rudd started talking saying “Mr Howard..” and it had already hit the roof.

    hmm

  2. 252
    S Zulian
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Keeping talking about GWB.

  3. 253
    steve of wakefield
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    “Nuclear Reactors out the back door”… love it (and into your backyard lol)

  4. 254
    haiku
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Unsurprisingly, Bush a negative for Howard

  5. 255
    kam
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    wow the worm is digging a trench now,

  6. 256
    marty
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    The Great Helmsman can change Dubya’s mind on climate change…uh, not according to the worm.

  7. 257
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    The worm has gone to hell… oops

  8. 258
    Just Me
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    I am impressed and pleased with the balance of the moderator and the panel so far.

    And Rudd is doing considerably better than Howard. (I am not watching Ch 9, so the worm don’t count for me.)

  9. 259
    AM
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Debate goes nuclear, why didnt Howard bring up this, when talking about climate change?

  10. 260
    Charlie
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Very clever of Peter Hartcher to mention George Bush. The worm fell through the floor the moment the name came up!

  11. 261
    Leinad
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Holy crap, that worm doesn’t want anything to do with the Coalition on Climate Change, and Bush seems to be a -50 point handicap right off the bat.

  12. 262
    Trevor
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Bush won’t do a thing and Howard knows it – it will only happen if Democrats win in 2008.

  13. 263
    S
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Wow.

    Howard didn’t rebut the nuclear reactor thing… Thats such a potential poison I can’t believe he didn’t say something.

    Especially since he bit on the OECD report thing.

  14. 264
    wysiwyg
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Yr buddy dubya can’t save you now

  15. 265
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Save the lips service Howard…Climate change is more than window dressing at APEC!

  16. 266
    sondeo
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Does the worm start again for Rudd or Howard from where it left off after they have spoken.

  17. 267
    anthony baxter
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Wow – points for bravery to Channel 9 for running the worm anyway. I wonder what revenge the Libs will take on them?

    And while Howard’s climate stuff produced a good worm result, Rudd’s was stratospheric.

    Based on the reaction from the worm, the US is worm-poison. The ALP should just run an ad of a picture of Howard and Bush.

  18. 268
    Flash
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Credit where it’s due. David Speers is doing a very good job. Controlled, balanced, neutral, fair.

  19. 269
    Blacklight
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    not watching, just reading the comments.

    most entertaining bit

    seems howards worm is flater than hockeys cushion

  20. 270
    Tory Crimes
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    here we go howard in faux statesman mode- give us a break

  21. 271
    Trevor
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    What the hell was that John?

  22. 272
    S Zulian
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    yawn.

  23. 273
    turfmeister
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    I think I saw the Howard twitch…..feeling the pressure for sure.

  24. 274
    wysiwyg
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    I hope there is a doctor standing by …

  25. 275
    Kina
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    sounds like Howard will need a stretcher

  26. 276
    haiku
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    Howard much more relaxed and less hectoring, but he’s still waving his arms around too much. Optimistic words on freedom and fighting terrorism get a good response from the worm. The word Iraq is a negative though.

  27. 277
    Charlie
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    Speers has pleasantly surprised me tonight. Credit where it’s due indeed.

  28. 278
    Peter Kemp
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    Oh no he’s onto Bali, “I will never surrender…”

    Hatred of free society…hate our way of life… the usual Bushovic crap.

    (They hate our foreign policy, Mr Howard)

  29. 279
    Pi
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    # 268 Flash Says: October 21st, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    Credit where it’s due. David Speers is doing a very good job. Controlled, balanced, neutral, fair.

    Props to Speers. He’s doing a great job.

  30. 280
    cass
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    this worm can’t be serious – seems that it is a popularity poll and no one is listening to what either of them is saying!
    Good fun as they both weasel about without saying anything!

  31. 281
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Dodging Iraq question – very obvious and very bad.

  32. 282
    S Zulian
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Concise, clear and calm response from Mr Rudd. That should be Howard’s territory.

  33. 283
    turfmeister
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Concur on Speers’ performance – very balanced and impartial

  34. 284
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    By the looks of the worm, there goes Howards terrorism Tampa-esq scare

  35. 285
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    John Howard…_ Dubya’s sock puppet!

  36. 286
    Kina
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    I dont have tv here – but reading this is more entertaining

  37. 287
    Leinad
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Rudd owning Iraq and Terrorism. They like Howard, they like him more.

  38. 288
    atticusmurphy
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    It is sad. Winston is sticking to the key lines and themes. Usually a safe bet, but they are so baaaaad. He just doesn’t get it anymore.

  39. 289
    ChrisC
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Answer the friggin question Howard!

  40. 290
    S Zulian
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Speers beats Ray Martin. I hope Rudd asks himself a question when its time.

  41. 291
    anthony baxter
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Terrorism ra-ra = a positive.
    Talking about Iraq = wormdeath.

    And again the worm-drivers just love hearing from Rudd on the subject.

    I’m looking forward to seeing Alexander having a massive tanty about Channel 9. I believe he’s designated tanty-chucker now?

  42. 292
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    stereotypical worm – always leans Labor/left

    What I want to know is why Howard was acting like he was about to cry and got flustered earlier on.

  43. 293
    alpal
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    This is a slaughter. Rudd looks and sounds like a Prime Minister.

  44. 294
    Sean
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Goodness I love that worm. May Channel 9 make a profit this year for putting it up!

  45. 295
    red wombat
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    As long as Howard’s ar#e points to the ground he isn’t going to do another debate.

  46. 296
    Phil
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Who needs to watch the debate, this blog is great!

  47. 297
    kat
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    howard just lloks grumpy and not poistive, hwo can u have a man who is so negative lead teh country?………i want positive thoughs form my leadres

  48. 298
    AnthonyL
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Props to the wormites for getting the difference between ground troops and regional naval forces.

  49. 299
    atticusmurphy
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    If JwH is this grumpy come question time this thing will turn into a blood bath.

  50. 300
    Just Me
    Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    What I want to know is why Howard was acting like he was about to cry and got flustered earlier on.

    Indeed. Howard’s voice has nearly broken several times throughout the debate.

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