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Galaxy Senate poll

As reported by the Sydney Morning Herald (link broken at the time of writing), GetUp! has commissioned its third national poll of Senate voting intention from Galaxy. This is a highly dubious exercise which is producing very strange results. Make whatever you like from the news that Labor’s vote has slumped in the last month from 39 per cent to 33 per cent. The sample size was 1003; Family First and the Democrats were both on 2 per cent.

ALP LNP GRN
October 20/21 33 38 11
September 8/9 39 35 10
June 23/24 38 34 13
2004 Election 35.0 45.0 7.7

UPDATE: GetUp! press release here. Maddeningly, “other/don’t know” has been rolled into one.

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  1. 101
    Been There
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Prediction for HoR ALP 92 seats

  2. 102
    ShowsOn
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Put me down for ALP 88

    Two Amanda Vanstones? :-P

  3. 103
    Why
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Malcolm is at it again, giving $200,000 to the poor, poor people of St.Ives, on top of $10million to a poor, poor relative of Rupert Murdoch!
    What’s going on? Isn’t our country in caretaker mode – what exactly does that mean?

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/federalelection2007news/minister-hands-over-200000/2007/10/24/1192941153906.html

  4. 104
    John of Melbourne
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Lose the Election Please put me down for:

    Coalition 77 seats

    Check this out its really funny!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptccZze7VxQ&eurl

  5. 105
    mike_f
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    someone help me: I was told a good local candidate is worth a certain percentage. Was it 2%? This could have a bearing on things.

  6. 106
    John of Melbourne
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Lose the Election Please put me down for:

    Coalition 77 seats

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptccZze7VxQ&eurl

  7. 107
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Brilliant John i was looking for this they played it on 7:30 Report last night classic stuff!

  8. 108
    Bungs
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    LTEP for the predictions
    (anyone game to predict how the Nats and Libs will go individually?)

    ALP 85
    Lib/Nat 63
    Indi 2

  9. 109
    La Nina
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Graeme (33)

    If you’re looking for articulate ALP senators, how about John Faulkner?
    Kate Lundy isn’t too bad either.
    LTEP – My prediction: ALP 78, LNP 70, Ind 2

  10. 110
    Swing Lowe
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    There are some other good political YouTube links – here’s the Top 10 Moments in Australian Politics:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMq0tzfmc3Y&eurl

  11. 111
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    There’s gotta come a time when the msm actually whip up one of those campaigns of frenzy and indignation re the pork. We’ve got another 4 weeks to go for gods sake. The mind boggles at whats gonna be promised by the end of the campaign. Poor Kevs gonna be cleaning up for years after this….

  12. 112
    Matthew Sykes
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Ok, new competition kids, email me with the seats you think will change hands at the election, and I will keep a spreadsheet of the details. If you don’t mention a particular electorate, I assume you predict the status quo for that electorate. Winner is the one who most correctly predicts the changing seats, and wins bragging rights !

    For this purpose, I have included Macquarie as an ALP seat, and Parramatta as a LIB seat. Kennedy and New England are included as Independent seats, but Calare is included as a national seat. Basically its the classification as per Anthony’s ABC election page.

    I decided on email as it will save William’s bandwidth.

    matthew.sykes “at symbol” flinders.edu.au

  13. 113
    Enemy Combatant
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    “34
    Jim Says:
    October 25th, 2007 at 8:14 am
    ps You may not know me.
    I am one of the many silent but frankly, amused, right-wingers who read this blog for our daily funnies. Bit like I used to read ‘Peanuts’ as a child.”

    Word on the strip, Silent Jim, says that many Lucy Van Pelt fans around here will be doing their darndest to help you touch base with your inner political masochist. Blogs like this abound with opportunistic schadenfreudists.

  14. 114
    sondeo
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    I’m a political novice as far as the Senate is concerned so maybe the more enlightened here will be able to answer a couple questions.

    1.Will the major parties openly campaign for the Senate?

    The Greens openly do so but maybe I’m not looking in the right places as I haven’t seen any ALP or Lib Senate pamphlets as such.

    2.Do the majors hope/think people will follow the HTV cards on election day.?

    I never take a HTV anyway as I know who I’m going to vote for in the HoR and I vote Green in the Senate.

    3.Will the Coalition maintain its majority or will Ind or the Greens hold the BOP.?

  15. 115
    passthepopcorn
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    er…10million funding for rain-making – maybe it’s the scientologists who have been getting at malcolm, not EB.

  16. 116
    AM
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    #Federal Election Results PDF 1949-2004

    http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/RB/2004-05/05rb11.pdf

    ALP 91
    LP/N 56
    others 3

  17. 117
    Lord D
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Last night I donated $30 to this site and $100 to the ALP. I encourage all Labor supporters on this blog to donate money to the ALP. Just visit the main page at:

    http://www.alp.org.au

    and click “donate”.

  18. 118
    Darn
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    In a way I hope the Galaxy senate figures are right – although common sense tells me they probably aren’t. An obstructive opposition blocking the abolition of the work choices legislation would be just what Kevin Rudd needed to take the long handle to the senate and give it a good clean out.

    Roll on the double dissolution.

  19. 119
    Sean
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    For a laugh, check out…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptccZze7VxQ&eurl

    … if you haven’t already

  20. 120
    Darn
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Thanks John of Melbourne and Sean for the youtube link about Rudd.

    What a pisser.

  21. 121
    Graeme
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    The missing %ge in this poll would be people who haven’t focused on the Senate.

    Labor has long polled well under its Rep vote in the Senate.

    This poll has Libs down 7, Labor down 2, with 14% either for others/don’t know. Factor much of that 14% on a similar ratio to the committed votes in the poll, and add Greens, Dems and ALP as a combined ‘left’ vote and the results are on a par with Galaxy’s recent Reps poll. Probably a point or two better allowing for some FF/indep/micro prefs to Labor.

  22. 122
    Triffid
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Seems to be a real lull in political advertising on TV here in Adelaide. Would be interested to know what’s going on in other parts of the country.

  23. 123
    steve
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    This one from the ABC was so good that they wrote it twice.

    http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/10/25/2069884.htm?section=justin

  24. 124
    chrispydog
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    That’s it, the white flag is flying, held aloft by Greg Sheridan in today’s GG:

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22642864-7583,00.html

    He sprays everyone that ever disagreed with the white armband view of history, and then declares that Howard has lost the Culture War. Top of the list of fifth columnists is the ABC (of course!), but he doesn’t stop there, he even takes a swipe at Tim Flannery.

    When the rightwing commentariat starts burying Howard, even before the election, you just know you’re in for a fun show.

  25. 125
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    No TV advertising in Melbourne either Triffid…looks like the major parties are saving their money for the last 2 weeks of the campaign…

  26. 126
    Derek Corbett
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    LTEP

    ALP: 88. Howard loses Bennelong.

  27. 127
    Matthew Sykes
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Already have a few entries for the seat-by-seat prediction competition …

    See post #112 for details …

  28. 128
    BenC
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Triffid,

    Have not seen any ads on Newcastle TV for the past 3 nights. Not sure why. Glen may be right, a big assault could be planned soon.

    Still waiting for the anti-nuclear ads. Will play well in Hunter and Paterson.

    Have given Matthew my seat-by-seat tips by email see post #112. Looking forward to seeing everyone’s tips on the spreadsheet.

  29. 129
    Lose the election please
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    On the subject of articulate Labor senators:
    - Penny Wong
    - John Faulkner
    - Trish Crossin
    - Claire Moore
    - Kate Lundy
    - Glenn Sterle

    Personally, I think their senators are better than their members.

  30. 130
    blindoptimist
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    My prediction:

    The way the campaign is going, Labor will win at least 90 seats.

  31. 131
    Matt D
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    I’ll be pessimistic.

    Coalition 76. Turnbull to win Wentworth by 11 votes.

  32. 132
    Yo ho ho
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Didn’t Faulkner do the job of preparing Rudd for the debate? I’d suggest he did that quite well too.

  33. 133
    Will
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Matt D: 11 votes would probably mean a by-election do to a successful challenge over voting irregularities (ala the 95 QLD election and the Mundingburra electorate. I think Ken Davies won by 8 votes)

  34. 134
    Lefty E
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    I’m in for:

    ALP: 85
    Ind: 3
    Coalition: 62

  35. 135
    Gary Bruce
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Greg Sheridan, Foreign editor | October 25, 2007 – “THIS election campaign is far from over and John Howard could yet win. But it’s not likely. The most likely outcome is a substantial victory for Kevin Rudd.” Yep, they’re lining up now. Henderson and Lebovich will go to the election still believing the Libs have got it in the bag.

  36. 136
    Yo ho ho
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    chrispydog @ 124

    I’d agree that the Sheridan article is one of the funniest articles i’ve ever read. There were several laugh-out-loud moments (such as “the ABC worldview is stronger than ever” WTF does that even mean?). Poor Greg seems upset that the majority of academics disagree with his interpretation of Australian History. No mention of the fact that this may be because he’s wrong, rather than the fact that “it’s impossible to govern against elite opinion”….

    I recommend it highly to anyone feeling a bit down today.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22642864-7583,00.html

  37. 137
    Mark
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Yes, Chrispy Dog @124. It is an extraordinary article. I agree we are in for a fun show. Bolt vs. Henderson and Sheridan vs. civilisation.

  38. 138
    chrispydog
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Gary Bruce @ 135

    Not only is it amazing how many of the rusted on Liberals are calling it for Rudd, it’s even more amazing when Sheridan starts attacking Howard for losing the culture wars!

    This is the first time I’ve seen this in print, and no doubt we’ll be hearing a lot more of it after the battle when the historians start picking over the carcass of the Liberal party, but this is a very significant first draft of this argument.

    Oddly enough, he seems to be saying that Howard is losing because he didn’t hobble the ABC!

    When do these guys ever wake up? It’s not an ‘elite’ position to think that Howard has poisoned much public debate and we want to remove ourselves from the rectum of GWBush. Watching this meltdown in the GG is truly fascinating.

  39. 139
    Mark
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    My tip for the “Real Melbourne Cup” (Nov 24). Coalition 62; Labor 83; Ind 5.

  40. 140
    Ashley
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    D’oh. My rant went straight into moderation. How does it know when I’m ranting?

  41. 141
    Doug
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    On articulate ALP senators – Ursula Stephens

  42. 142
    BenC
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    When will the next Nielsen Poll be? Monday?

  43. 143
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Can someone kick out that fat ass Kim Carr im sure the ALP can find someone better to fill his well worn seat in the Senate…i am so seriously this guy puts Hockey to shame…

  44. 144
    Tabitha
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Glen honey, if you don’t like Mr. Carr (ALP Senator), join the party and vote against him in their Senate Preselection.

  45. 145
    Howard Hater
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Seat Predictions:
    Labor to gain:
    Parramatta
    Lindsay
    Dobell
    Eden Monaro
    Bennelong
    Wentworth
    Page
    Hughes(my bolter)
    Bass
    Braddon
    Solomon
    Stirling
    Hasluck
    Kingston
    Wakefield
    Makin
    Sturt(another bolter)
    La Trobe
    Corrangamite
    Goldstein(absolute bolter)
    Macmillan
    Bonner
    Moreton
    Blair
    Leichardt
    Herbert
    Ryan

  46. 146
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    HH u realize that the Coalition would win half of those seats back in the next federal election if not all…

  47. 147
    Matthew Sykes
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Predictions recorded, Howard Hater.

  48. 148
    John of Melbourne
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    When I see Penny Wong and John Faulkner on tv I want to do an Elvis and shoot the TV. Irritation factor SPF1000!

  49. 149
    Lose the election please
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    What makes you believe that Glen? Just put yourself in some objective shoes for once… imagine not everyone loves the Liberal Party… and think again.

  50. 150
    AM
    Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    John Laws today attacked Alan Jones for bias, syaing if he is going to bring up the 17.5% rate under Keating he shouldve also mentioned the 22% when Howard was Treasurer, amazing how the worm has turned against Howard. Another media supporter deserting the sinking ship?

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