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		<title>By: Rebekah</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/10/25/seat-du-jour-dobell/comment-page-1/#comment-102228</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather Labor didn&#039;t court the conservative vote, or court the conservative agenda of organisations that don&#039;t even vote. I like it when Rudd rightly refuses to have secret meetings with Bruce Hales of Exclusive Brethren fame, unlike John Howard, Peter Costello and Tony Abbot. 

And the average decent voter is clearly pretty indecent if they voted for howard time and time again knowing all the while what a liar and immoral rat he really was. 

But now the nerd has beaten the bully and the playground is safe again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather Labor didn&#8217;t court the conservative vote, or court the conservative agenda of organisations that don&#8217;t even vote. I like it when Rudd rightly refuses to have secret meetings with Bruce Hales of Exclusive Brethren fame, unlike John Howard, Peter Costello and Tony Abbot. </p>
<p>And the average decent voter is clearly pretty indecent if they voted for howard time and time again knowing all the while what a liar and immoral rat he really was. </p>
<p>But now the nerd has beaten the bully and the playground is safe again.</p>
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		<title>By: Deanne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/10/25/seat-du-jour-dobell/comment-page-1/#comment-98453</link>
		<dc:creator>Deanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Matt. Decent voters are often scared off by Labor&#039;s deals with dubious parties such as the Greens, who advocate legal drug rooms, further abortion access and euthanasia. While Labor sides with such murderous policies the average decent voter will be pushed towards the Libs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Matt. Decent voters are often scared off by Labor&#8217;s deals with dubious parties such as the Greens, who advocate legal drug rooms, further abortion access and euthanasia. While Labor sides with such murderous policies the average decent voter will be pushed towards the Libs.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps preferences from the minor parties will be a important factor on Saturday. It is interesting to see that the Christian Democratic Party (CDP) and the Liberal Party have swapped preferences. It seems like the Liberal Party has therefore won the Christian vote, and perhaps the &#039;moral high ground&#039;. 

Family First&#039;s preferences are also flowing to the Libs. Perhaps its time that Labor tried to court some of this conservative, family vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps preferences from the minor parties will be a important factor on Saturday. It is interesting to see that the Christian Democratic Party (CDP) and the Liberal Party have swapped preferences. It seems like the Liberal Party has therefore won the Christian vote, and perhaps the &#8216;moral high ground&#8217;. </p>
<p>Family First&#8217;s preferences are also flowing to the Libs. Perhaps its time that Labor tried to court some of this conservative, family vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew A</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/10/25/seat-du-jour-dobell/comment-page-1/#comment-94107</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray, The last comment was a little harsh, Ken doesn&#039;t need the pension (don&#039;t know about Lee) and his best friends wouldn&#039;t call him a &quot;show&quot; anything.  I&#039;d rather see a *local* member than a carpetbagging union hack.

Bad news for Dobell (and Robertson for that matter).  Decent local members in a tired, badly flawed government that are looking likely to be rolled by Labor machine candidates who&#039;s only qualification is the ability to survive Labor&#039;s factional games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, The last comment was a little harsh, Ken doesn&#8217;t need the pension (don&#8217;t know about Lee) and his best friends wouldn&#8217;t call him a &#8220;show&#8221; anything.  I&#8217;d rather see a *local* member than a carpetbagging union hack.</p>
<p>Bad news for Dobell (and Robertson for that matter).  Decent local members in a tired, badly flawed government that are looking likely to be rolled by Labor machine candidates who&#8217;s only qualification is the ability to survive Labor&#8217;s factional games.</p>
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		<title>By: ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why does Ken Ticehurst keep bombarding Wyoming with his 7 point plan for Dobell when his plan does nothing for Wyoming (Ourimbah is about as close as the plan comes) I don&#039;t think he gives a rats for the Wyoming area, anyway the mail seems comes from somewhere in Sydney, obviously he&#039;s let the party media machine takeover. I think Informal is looking good at the moment as neither option appears to want to work for the good of Dobell, I think Thomson will be just as useless as Lee &amp; Ticehurst have been, show ponies after a fat pension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why does Ken Ticehurst keep bombarding Wyoming with his 7 point plan for Dobell when his plan does nothing for Wyoming (Ourimbah is about as close as the plan comes) I don&#8217;t think he gives a rats for the Wyoming area, anyway the mail seems comes from somewhere in Sydney, obviously he&#8217;s let the party media machine takeover. I think Informal is looking good at the moment as neither option appears to want to work for the good of Dobell, I think Thomson will be just as useless as Lee &amp; Ticehurst have been, show ponies after a fat pension.</p>
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		<title>By: Chokyi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/10/25/seat-du-jour-dobell/comment-page-1/#comment-83914</link>
		<dc:creator>Chokyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebekah, it has been 7:1 Ticehurst:Thomson around Toowoon/Blue Bay - and i&#039;d have to agree that your perception of waste by Ticehurst is rising here.

But &quot;Doing what&#039;s right for Dobell&quot; hasn&#039;t been in evidence in the majority of chit chat heard recently at the pub and surrounds at The Entrance and North Entrance - there it&#039;s the state of the lake and lake mouth and the lack of funding to help flush it properly. 

An improved mouth (including and/or a proper sea wall) would go a long way to help remove the &quot;smell&quot; (mentioned above) and ever-increasing sediment build-up from irregular to non-existent sea flushing.

As a result, the lack of concern for the lake by Ticehurst, which he&#039;s only this year realised, Council spends more that $80K/yr year after year dredging and moving the mouths&#039; sand from one side to the other only to find it reappearing all over again.

i would hazard a guess that the recent floods Chittaway Bay et al experienced (during the great &quot;Pasha Bulker&quot; storm) could have been ameliorated if Ticehurst had got earlier funding for the proper environmental management of Tuggerah Lakes. Instead, a miniscule $24K was granted to the Mardi Creek wetlands.

After 6 years as a federal member, cleaning up Tuggerah Lakes (and Tumbi Creek) is still only a &quot;plan&quot; on the Ticehurst&#039; website. 

And the long-term water pipeline is yet to be built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebekah, it has been 7:1 Ticehurst:Thomson around Toowoon/Blue Bay &#8211; and i&#8217;d have to agree that your perception of waste by Ticehurst is rising here.</p>
<p>But &#8220;Doing what&#8217;s right for Dobell&#8221; hasn&#8217;t been in evidence in the majority of chit chat heard recently at the pub and surrounds at The Entrance and North Entrance &#8211; there it&#8217;s the state of the lake and lake mouth and the lack of funding to help flush it properly. </p>
<p>An improved mouth (including and/or a proper sea wall) would go a long way to help remove the &#8220;smell&#8221; (mentioned above) and ever-increasing sediment build-up from irregular to non-existent sea flushing.</p>
<p>As a result, the lack of concern for the lake by Ticehurst, which he&#8217;s only this year realised, Council spends more that $80K/yr year after year dredging and moving the mouths&#8217; sand from one side to the other only to find it reappearing all over again.</p>
<p>i would hazard a guess that the recent floods Chittaway Bay et al experienced (during the great &#8220;Pasha Bulker&#8221; storm) could have been ameliorated if Ticehurst had got earlier funding for the proper environmental management of Tuggerah Lakes. Instead, a miniscule $24K was granted to the Mardi Creek wetlands.</p>
<p>After 6 years as a federal member, cleaning up Tuggerah Lakes (and Tumbi Creek) is still only a &#8220;plan&#8221; on the Ticehurst&#8217; website. </p>
<p>And the long-term water pipeline is yet to be built.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebekah</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/10/25/seat-du-jour-dobell/comment-page-1/#comment-82060</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebekah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the point of Ticehurst out-letterboxing Thomson 5:1: it is not only a gross waste of money, but it is also environmentally reprehensible.

&quot;Doing what&#039;s right for Dobell.&quot; I question this assertion just on the simple fact that right for Dobell would have been spending less on advertising, and more on Dobell.

Goodnight Ticehurst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the point of Ticehurst out-letterboxing Thomson 5:1: it is not only a gross waste of money, but it is also environmentally reprehensible.</p>
<p>&#8220;Doing what&#8217;s right for Dobell.&#8221; I question this assertion just on the simple fact that right for Dobell would have been spending less on advertising, and more on Dobell.</p>
<p>Goodnight Ticehurst.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Craig T.
Labor&#039;s first announcement on pipeline funding was $40m, in the hope that the state would match it and not leave the burden on council. This prompted a visit from Howard, with a promise of $80m funding, this was soon matched by Labor, with no strings attached to the structure of the local water authority.

The state has gained nothing by the Central Coast buying water from the Hunter.
The water authority is the responsibility of the two councils.

I was saying that some members of Wyong council stuffed the state government around on funding for the clean up of Tuggerah Lakes.
The council might have only one Liberal councilor, but we know that at least 3 other members have run as failed Liberal candidates in the past.

The only issues for Ticehurst to run with now, are state responsibility like local traffic management and police numbers. While the state has built a number of tunnels in Sydney at the same time, the federal responsibility of the F3 missing link road for Central Coast commuters is ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Craig T.<br />
Labor&#8217;s first announcement on pipeline funding was $40m, in the hope that the state would match it and not leave the burden on council. This prompted a visit from Howard, with a promise of $80m funding, this was soon matched by Labor, with no strings attached to the structure of the local water authority.</p>
<p>The state has gained nothing by the Central Coast buying water from the Hunter.<br />
The water authority is the responsibility of the two councils.</p>
<p>I was saying that some members of Wyong council stuffed the state government around on funding for the clean up of Tuggerah Lakes.<br />
The council might have only one Liberal councilor, but we know that at least 3 other members have run as failed Liberal candidates in the past.</p>
<p>The only issues for Ticehurst to run with now, are state responsibility like local traffic management and police numbers. While the state has built a number of tunnels in Sydney at the same time, the federal responsibility of the F3 missing link road for Central Coast commuters is ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care about political staffers that will be losing their job on the 24th. As no one does. It is a part of the game.

How dare you pretend to be a healthcare worker when you work at ken ticehursts office at tuggerah business park. 

You should have a more thorough look at hansard for the grubby fingers of  the &quot;accountable&quot; pfizer.

You should have a word with your boss about that mate.

I don&#039;t think that people who object to my political beliefs are MP staffers. 

I think that people who speak about private correspondance between a mayor and the PM to defend ken ticehurst are ken  ticehurst&#039;s staffers. tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care about political staffers that will be losing their job on the 24th. As no one does. It is a part of the game.</p>
<p>How dare you pretend to be a healthcare worker when you work at ken ticehursts office at tuggerah business park. </p>
<p>You should have a more thorough look at hansard for the grubby fingers of  the &#8220;accountable&#8221; pfizer.</p>
<p>You should have a word with your boss about that mate.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that people who object to my political beliefs are MP staffers. </p>
<p>I think that people who speak about private correspondance between a mayor and the PM to defend ken ticehurst are ken  ticehurst&#8217;s staffers. tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read Friday&#039;s Telegraph? now who is the political insider posing as a blogger?  NOt everyone knows what will be in future newspapers.

Well I did google Ticehurst and health issues looking for information on what you are saying, and I came across a speech he delivered to the AMA on behalf of the Health Minister.  The reason given is that Ken Ticehurst is the chairperson of the Government Health &amp; Ageing Committee, I would have thought that he would be expected to have an interest in Health &amp; Ageing issues and that it would be in the interest of medical companies to ensure he was kept up to date on health issues.

So Ticehurst is not useing my money for his own political gain, isn&#039;t that a good thing?  Or are you saying you would have been happier if our taxes paid for it?

To your question Mike - the Pfizer board have to justify any such expense to their shareholders, the HSU don&#039;t seem to think members are important enough.

Finaly, I find it very concerning that you are campaigning on behalf of someone who claims to be &#039;looking out for working families&#039; - yet you think nothing of taunting someone about losing their job.  Albeit that you are obviously convinced that anyone objecting to your political belief must be an MPs employee.&#039; You need to come to terms with the fact there are people out in the big wide world that may not agree with everything you do.

If Labor were serious about winning this area they would have chosen someone that had been here longer than 18 months like Neil Rose or Warren Welham, instead of wasting my money that should be used to support HSU members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read Friday&#8217;s Telegraph? now who is the political insider posing as a blogger?  NOt everyone knows what will be in future newspapers.</p>
<p>Well I did google Ticehurst and health issues looking for information on what you are saying, and I came across a speech he delivered to the AMA on behalf of the Health Minister.  The reason given is that Ken Ticehurst is the chairperson of the Government Health &amp; Ageing Committee, I would have thought that he would be expected to have an interest in Health &amp; Ageing issues and that it would be in the interest of medical companies to ensure he was kept up to date on health issues.</p>
<p>So Ticehurst is not useing my money for his own political gain, isn&#8217;t that a good thing?  Or are you saying you would have been happier if our taxes paid for it?</p>
<p>To your question Mike &#8211; the Pfizer board have to justify any such expense to their shareholders, the HSU don&#8217;t seem to think members are important enough.</p>
<p>Finaly, I find it very concerning that you are campaigning on behalf of someone who claims to be &#8216;looking out for working families&#8217; &#8211; yet you think nothing of taunting someone about losing their job.  Albeit that you are obviously convinced that anyone objecting to your political belief must be an MPs employee.&#8217; You need to come to terms with the fact there are people out in the big wide world that may not agree with everything you do.</p>
<p>If Labor were serious about winning this area they would have chosen someone that had been here longer than 18 months like Neil Rose or Warren Welham, instead of wasting my money that should be used to support HSU members.</p>
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