For the purpose of having something to hang a new open thread off, I hereby present unilluminating 15-second ads for the Liberal candidates for Stirling and Cowan, which ran during Perth news bulletins this evening.
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they aired tv ads for those two?
hmmmm
interersting
First?
Line Honours?
Bugger it!!!
I was first
so NERRRRRRRRR
William,
Problems with the site tonight? Dunno if the previous thread being so long has caused it, but i’ve had a lot of problems on the site tonight.
Enemy Combatant was over on Possum’s site noting the same thing.
Thought I’d let u know.
Far out, are those ads for local council elections?
Wow. A perfect example of jumping ship, campaigning on local issues avoiding any connection with the national scene, JH and PC.
Fran Bailey has the same ad. Pathetic
William,
The site keeps dropping out tonight. Spammers or have you been spending your phone money on Bollinger?
This whole “local” campaign is just so pathetic. Why don’t they run for the council if they want to fix the local roads? What are they going to do about it in Canberra? It should be obvious to everyone that they can’t run on the record of the Howard government, indeed they are running FROM the record of the Howard government. It’s a desperate strategy and not likely to work IMHO.
Ads are a bore. No mention of Coconut or Tip? Hmm.
When is the next ACN poll due? It’s going to be CRUCIAL!
You are not going to believe this, but I think the slight majority feel that the rate rise is a positive for the coalition. On Betfair with $1.7m executed, LIB have firmed into 3.25 from 3.50. ALP are at 1.42.
Sorry to post off-topic, but did anyone else catch Mark Vaile’s “Address to the Nation” straight after the Sounds of Aus doco on ABC tonight? It’s interesting to see what appears to be a blatant political advertisement on old Aunty. It was authorised by someone called B Henderson for the National Party Canberra, just like any other political ad, except it was quite long, maybe 3 minutes. I wonder who on the board gave that one the nod…
Centre,
ESJ said the Neilsen was 55-45 on the previous thread.
Don’t know if he was having a lend of everyone though.
Yup, and watch the money come back to the ALP after the next set of polls.
Hey guys. There is a reason they spending big with seat specific TV ads and another reason why they are not running ads for Hasluck and Swan- think about it.
Good get on
That “database error” thing just happens occasionally, usually for very short periods. Although it’s the same screen that appeared during LP’s recent problems, I don’t think I’m having the same problem they were.
mad cow, Frank C, Lefty E and others, thanks. Broadband update.
And William, seeing as you have nothing better to do. Not to mention it is a very slow process to load your low lights via my current provider. Which may or may not explain some problems as described by others.
Secured today a new contract on original cost basis, with Telstra. Except its Cable, not ADSL.
So, for a mere $388, no cost to me, the tech will phone to make an appt, to link me to the Foxtel cable in my street.
Not that I have Foxtel, or ever would. But the cable is there. As I explained. As their computer records did not show, initially. Telstra says is not, I say is so, she says is not. I say, I am looking at it. Not only that, said I, the cable is in my roof, as a next door previous occupant, Foxtel subscriber, asked if he could run it via my roof.
Puzzlingly, Foxtel on either its site, a call I must have made at some point, or both, claims one must have subscriber status to use the cable. Not so, says the Telstra lass. Hmm. Asks if I have ever requested Foxtel. Never, says I. Funny, your name is against a Foxtel outlet. Aaah, says I. That is because I am a contact person for a friend for whom I organised cable broadband. Next suburb, same exchange. To deal on behalf of as problems or whatever arise. So, you know all about it? Pretty well, yes.
Thus, free install, free WiFi modem, cable speed at approx 8000/256, 12 gig, no excess, shaping, line rental included, phone concessions included. $59.95 per month.
The Telstraists were somehat puzzled themselves at the no port situation at the exchange. Said there was no plan to upgrade infrastructure.
Having sealed the Telstra deal, still can cool off, I phoned Internode. Explained. Internode plans as against this deal are much more expensive. And they don’t do cable. But you may have ports, probably, despite Telstra.
She checked my line. Said no, stunning me, you cannot get ADSL, P to P whatever, and until copper thing (?) is fixed. Even then, can only get ADSL 1. No guarantee at all that the line will carry ADSL2.
Oh, thanks, I say.
Ponder. Now what did I say to the person who rang to offer the deal? She said would have to check the line to ascertain whether ADSL would work. I said, don’t bother, I have checked, I know it will. She didn’t check.
QED. A little knowledge is sometimes not dangerous.
Ps: I expect to return to realpolitik shortly. Leaflet dropping for the Greens tomorrow etc.
Did anyone see pathologicals last comment on the last thread. The AFR is going to run a bad one on Rudd!
the ads are pure snorology
Burgey if it’s 55/45 I’d be happy to take it.
Of course ESJ was joking with the 55/45 poll. He mentioned ‘the Senator’ which makes it pretty obvious he was just having a laugh.
There’s no topic to be off, Dan. This thread is open.
This particular local focus has manifested itself in the advertising for the Liberal candidate for the seat of Canberra. My wife emailed her and suggested that she should be running for the legislative Assembly elections – due next year.
Interestingly enough the lates Liberal letterbox drop involves a leaflet that features on one side in predominantly blue and yellow the “Liberals’ strong economic team with a photo of john Howard and Peter Costello in earnest confab and a reverse red and black presentation “Labor’s Too IOnexperienced, Ther’re Still learning.
the photo of Kevin Rudd suggest its was taken when he was probably in his early thirties, Wayne Swan looks earnest, Peter Garret looks cheerful – but he is labelled as an extremist and a serious llooking Julia gillard as an ex=trade union lawyer. with a warning that “We’re coming back’. As a bonus instead of steak knives we get 5 former ACTU leaders as Ministers.
The leaflet makes the Greens panphlet look reasonable and well argued by comparison – it also arrived today.
If you want to see some examples of some really cr*ppy ads. You should see the ads that Bob Baldwin is running here in Newcastle to try and keep his seat of Paterson. I don’t have a tv-card so I haven’t been able to capture any yet but he is trying the local angle as well by getting community representatives to endorse him. The problem is none of them can actually manage to say anything concretely positive that he has done for them or their community. They just talk about how passionate he is about their particular issue.
Incredible. I can’t believe that this sort of stuff works.
There’s no pictures of Bob either. It seems his “larger than life” character is not such a plus for him anymore.
Dunno if much was made of this on the earlier thread, but after watching the 7.30 Report profile on Wentworth tonight, I’m less inclined to think Labor will win the seat. George Newhouse came over as less than dynamic. His ex-girlfriend, running as an anti-pulp-mill independent, seemed to have much more personality. Newhouse looked pathetic trying to defend Labor’s support for the pulp mill.
Turnbull even talked about his mother who abandoned him, and showed the flat he’d been brought up in. I nearly got the violin out, but it did show that Turnbull was at least partly a self-made man, and had a strong connection with the electorate.
With the Green likely to poll well, and a smorgasbord of independents, it could be a long night of counting there. Having lived in Sydney for nine years, it’s haard to conceive of suburbs like Vaucluse and Double Bay electing a Labor member.
BTW I also had trouble with this site in the past hour, but seems to be fine now.
Centaur – a bad what?
It makes me feel warm and fuzzy to see my taxes going into these ads as opposed to my local govvy school
The whole election is just plain weird. It should be Labor who is running on the state based issues like schools, hospitals, police etc and the Coalition on the economy that is where their strengths lie. However in this election Labor is running on the economy and Liberals are running adds about state issues.
Big Blind Dave 15
Spoke to my insider in Labor this afternoon, and she said that Hasluck, Cowan, Swan are going to Labor.
Stirling and Brand are close, but Labor is ahead.
Kalgoorlie is definitely in play, and to my total suprise, Forrest & Moore are in play, with Moore being neglected by Mal Washer on the campaign.. He can’t be stuffed campaigning therefore Burgess is making some ground.
She didnt know much about what was happening in Canning but believes it is in play too.
My insider said Internal Polling was running at an 8% swing to Labor in WA
On the Mark Vaile presentation – it is a standard ABC presentation that gets rotated around the political parties according to their overall vote last time. Absolutely standard – nothing at all sinister.
but in Canberra it is abit irrelevant aprt from some voters up in Yass and surrounding areas. National pary is otherwise a species politically speaking more endangered thatn the yowie in this broadcast area.
there was just a national party ad on abc adelaide just then. be jeezus i thought andrew robb was boring but mark vaile is not far behind. dont any of these dickheads realise climate change poses a direct threat to the economy, jobs, farming etc?
So is the ACN out tomorrow?
Liberal backers ringing up Labor party offices complaining about “hoons” and new we have this: http://www.theage.com.au/news/federal-election-2007-news/vandals-hit-costello-office/2007/11/08/1194329392817.html
Was it Costello who got up late, Glen perhaps, love to know who operated the spay can.
It really is a bit sad when the party in power is trying to turn a federal election into a hoon fest.
Turnbull was never going to lose wentworth. King’s splitting the tory vote at the last election made it look a whole lot more marginal than it really is – to the tune of 10%. Bennalong a real chance though.
Dan, those “ads” on the ABC are there every election. I saw Kevin Rudd doing a long spiel earlier in the evening.
The ABC by law is required to give the parties a certain amount of TV and radio free air-time during the election period. It’s the law. So does SBS. The ABC and SBS do not have control over the content of the segments – they run what the parties submit.
It’s nothing to do with the ABC board (otherwise, how did Rudd get free time?).
Burger press article of course!! See pathological on the last thread!!!!
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Adam Says:
November 8th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
This whole “local” campaign is just so pathetic. Why don’t they run for the council if they want to fix the local roads? What are they going to do about it in Canberra? It should be obvious to everyone that they can’t run on the record of the Howard government, indeed they are running FROM the record of the Howard government. It’s a desperate strategy and not likely to work IMHO.
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These ads could play on the well-worn anti-Canberra sentiments of every loyal sandgroper, but they are clearly an attempt to
I actually disagree with Adam and think the local politics angle is a smart one. I don’t think most people know about the demarcation of government responsibility and it sounds good to have a member talking about issues that matter to local people.
However, it really is gutter politics. To talk about matters you have absolutely no control over is really disingenuous. It just points out how much this government needs to go.
Speaking of local ads, I heard one for Tinley for Stirling the other day spoken by Alan Carpenter. I would’ve thought they would be trying to dissociate themselves from the state government?
That’s Pat Farmer’s approach too. If anyone asks him anything about anything in the federal sphere (or even anything vaguely related to politics and not about raising money or running) he sticks his fingers in his ears and yells “I’m not listening!”
Completely off topic, & probably a site some will already have bookmarked, but for some lighthearted entertainment & a look at some of the classic Rubbery Figures videos from the 1980’s & 1990’s:
http://www.nicholsoncartoons.com.au/animations.php?anim_group=rubberyaustralia
Burgey, if ESJ does know the ACN, I’m betting it’s not 55-45, but probably 52-48, so he can come back and crow.
these ads are ordinary, but they looking groundbraking compared to what the nats are running in regional qld.
They may get away with it at one campaign, but when the next one comes around, and they haven’t done anything about the problem, then they will cop it.
I assume ACN will be out Saturday – polling Wed/Thursday after rate rise.
We’re getting the same crap in SA. Southcott tried to take credit for new roads until the RAA came out and said he wasn’t involved and who was he anyway?
AnthonyL @26
Ditto that. The Baldwin ads were heavy early in the week. 3 in one ad break at one stage.
No mention of Howard and even the Liberal party angle is down played.
alpal – that would make sense, if they come out tomorrow (tonight) it would mean only one day of polling after an interest rate rise – not really worth it.
Which clause in the constitution gives the Federal Government power to make laws in respect of hoons? Maybe we’ll need a special preamble, recognising not just aborigines, but hoons too, so we can make laws to deal with them.
The only bit of the constitution I know is section 92, which permits intercourse between the states. Very useful if you’re on the bridge between Albury and Wodonga, or in the main street of Tweed Heads on New Years Eve.
Dana Vale is campaigning on police and hoons in Hughes. She says that’s what people want to talk about
Antonio the Federal Government has a broad ranging discretion to appropriate so they could just hand over money to local councils with an agreement to the money being used in a particular way.
They don’t really need to legislate, they can just make do with cheque-book government, much the same as the Mersey Hospital.
Antonia @ 50
It’s the vibe …
Must add that I was disgusted (again) at Howard’s take on ABC PM.
Labor will increase divorce rates, reduce reproduction rates, slash jobs etc. The shock, horror of it all.
At least the Green bloke dropped in, with the leaflets, relieving me from the listening ghastliness.
He said he could no longer listen to you know who. Yeah, said I, have had health warnings out for about more than a year, now.
Oops, I meant Antonio.
Woops. I spoke too soon. The big fella (Baldwin, not Chiff) is back on the box telling us how many roads and health services he has opened which is all utter rubbish cause these were done by the State Govt.
I got back from a peer review group about 9pm and I reckon I have seen at least 6 Baldwin ads this evening so far.
The candidate in Melbourne Ports also tried running on hoons, until it was pointed that since he was Mayor of Stonnington, if there were hoons it was all his fault for not doing anything about them. Anyway in St Kilda we hardly notice the hoons.
Kevsta on LateLine tonight.
Suggest following my link to see “Howard: Go for Broke” which asks do you still believe the Liberal Lies. My message from the West.
Which peers did you review? The Duke of Wellington perhaps?
An important note to all those using internal Labor party polling as a reference. The real internal polling from Labor is very good and is generally much better than the public polls. However unless you are at the very top of the Labor party i.e. Mr. Rudd you are not given the correct results from this polling. You instead are given or leaked false polls. This is done for strategic purposes like getting the Liberals to spend time and money in a seat they either will win or cannot win.
In response to comments made in the previous thread.
Somlyay, well i can’t tell you anything because i don’t think he’s done anything noteworthy at least from down here in Melbourne Ports that’s all I can see, still what will a Union ALP MP do for Fairfax they’ll just be another bench warmer?
Diogenes i didn’t demonise her, i merely said she was responsible in part for what happened to her (not taking medication, not having correct ID or anything on her to identify her correctly, she had a norwegian passport??) but that this did not excuse the failures of the Immigration Department and the police. I don’t think this is an unreasonable position Diogenes but you think im ‘nuts’ so there you go.
On another note why should i feel guilt for something i had nothing to do with Diogenes???
Good news that the Libs have finally brought out election ads in WA. Interesting that no ads our out for Steve Irons and Stuart Henry in Swan and Hasluck respectively, maybe they are to follow. WA will make or break the Tories in a tight election. Though if it is a landslide Keenan has a better chance of holding on than Henry IMHO.
Just looked up the ACN website. They have polled nationally on 29-31/10, 23-25/10, 15-17/10 and 4-6/10. The next one must me due out tomorrow or Sat. Perhaps they’ll wait for 11/11 Remembrance Day.
I reckon 55/45 might be an understatement
I’d love to see some more polling from QLD. Does Labor really have a chance of winning seats like Ryan and Forde?
Thank Christ Phillip Ruddock doesn’t do TV advertising for Berowra.
This is a sure sign of an unpopular government. When I lived in Delaware (a progressive State), I never knew who the Republican candidates were because they never identified themselves as such. It would just be “Mary Redmond believes in this; Tom Carper can’t be trusted,” etc. The same thing is happening here.
And the thing about the broadband, speaking of disingenuous, the Telstra letter to me concludes with:
‘Every week, thousands of Australians find they can’t get broadband-or can’t get the broadband speeds they want-simply because the infrastructure needed does not exist in their local are. Often, this is because regulation does not allow Telstra to confidently invest in new infrastructure. Please add your name and address to our Broadband black spot register at
http://www.nowwearetalking (etc I say not to promote it, myself).
The data collected will be collated by Telstra and used as part of its Broadband Australia Campaign (BACK Telstra)’.
Yet, as I said earlier, Telstra itself has no plan to upgrade exchange infrastructure.
Watching Lateline, the Grumpy Old negative Grandpa is back, his future vision and positive campaigning didn’t last long did it.
For what it’s worth, ESJ said on the earlier thread: “Just spoke to the Senator, gloom in HQ – ACN Nielsen tomorrow 55-45″.
Howard on lateline again?
44 collingwoodlegend
‘groundbraking’ is good. Stop ‘em in their tracks.
kina, nah rudd is.
70,
Only in the Lateline news.
K Rudd is on now.
LOL. I just saw exactly the same ad in Melbourne. Just substitute the name.
Not now for me – is 9.14
Glen, I don’t think you are nuts at all. Actually, I think you are probably quite intelligent and well-adjusted. But I have been wrong before.
Everyone tries to reduce cognitive dissonance. By the term “demonise”, I was referring to the “blame the victim” tone of your posts. People who are psychotic do not act ratioanlly enough to take their meds etc.
On guilt, everyone who is passionate about something like politics internalises the beliefs of those they follow. They feel a transferred guilt on behalf of their hero, despite not being responsible directly.
How many slogan’s can Rudd fit in a 10min interview?
Glen, it must be agony for you having to watch the next Prime Minister of Australia. Those of us who’ve had to put up with Howard for the last 11 years don’t sympathise with you.
Glen, the same number as most of our politicians.
That’s called staying on message Glen. He’s very good at it. It works.
If i can live through Keating and Hawke i can live through Rudd.
Anyway while he might be the next Labor Prime Minister of Australia, Costello IMHO will be the next Prime Minister of Australia.
It’s like Hockey going “union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses union bosses,” only for him it doesn’t work.
LOL Glen… nice to see you’re remaining positive:)
31- inside info
Thanks for your line in things. Given the newspoll cumulative shows 6% swing to ALP in WA and that is dragged up by the last poll not the earlier one, 8% could be about right.
I still think the Libs would not spend that kind of cash in Cowan and leave Hasluck in the cold, after all, Hasluck is the seat the ALP is running the sort of candidate the Libs want us to be worried about.
I believe Cowan should be notionally Lib after Edwards retired anyway- say about 4%
63- ACN
I am prety sure we are due for a Morgan F2F tomorrow.
Willliam, any chance you can answer my email re Morgan F2F and NESB voters, I dont wanna get us all too far off thread?
Yeah, Unca Howie never bangs on about union bosses or 17% interest rates does he Glen old son
There will be still a number of big rocks placed in Rudd’s way before the 24th. I don’t imagine Howard and supporters will let the time pass without some sort of controversy and smear.
Yeah, just saw a similar ad “Fran Bailey: Boring you to tears in McEwen”. Or something.
No mention of the PM.
I don’t think Rudd is that good on lateline really
Rudd has been campaigning non-stop for 10 months – he has got to be mentally tired sometimes.
Did anyone else notice how pleased Rudd looked with himself after meeting the board of News Ltd? I think the Kid got the lollies.
He’s said all he needed to centaur. No need to be fantastic when your opponent has started writing his 2 1/2 week suicide note to the Australian public.
C_007 – No one but tragics like us watching it!
Diogenes 47. same crap SA. Southcott tried to take credit for new roads until the RAA came out and said he wasn’t involved and who was he anyway?
Good question, Diogenes. Tends to lay claim for nothing he has done at all. As reported in Advertiser, according to someone who takes it.
AM 68 ‘Grumpy Old negative Grandpa’. Insert ‘indolent’. Equals GOING!
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Rudd has had a cold for a couple of days.
@ 41 Ben Raue Says:
In a somewhat ironic twist of fate I had to do some work in Farmer’s office a coupla years ago.
He is clearly out of his tree and his staff knows it. They spend a lot of their time throwing cold water over his mad ideas. Incidentally his office staff are largely made up of fundamentalist Christians who come from the posher parts of Sydney (the M7 was a real time saver for them). They turnover fairly rapidly – there were three office managers in the four months I was around – but this may be a feature of politician’s offices. Frank Mossfield’s office which I also had a bit to do with around 2000 seemed pretty stable but.
GLEN, IS HOWARD GOING TO QUIT TOMORROW???
okay getting a lot better. started off poorly
Well, I’m about to watch Lateline.
You’ve gotta wonder why the Libs would be pointing out problems in the electorates, most of them have 11 odd years to address some of these things but have done SFA. Pointing out the probs really only highlights what they haven’t done.
A lecturer of mine used to argue that all politicians should only serve two terms. If they haven’t achieved what they set ot to do in that time, they shouldn’t be reelected and if they have achieved it, what else do they have to do that warrants reelection. There is a nice simplicity to this argument.
Diogenes I think the Kid got the lollies.
I think you may be right there, there is a story going around that Rupert will be anointing Rudd soon. Not for self interest of course but for the good of the country lol.
This line of advertising is not only a pathetic admission of failure, it’s also politically disgraceful. It’s not the job of federal MPs to “do things locally.” That’s what local councils are for. The job of federal MPs is to make laws about things which are federal responsibilities. If they’re not prepared to run on the issues they were elected to work on they should quit.
Kev’s tie looks like a Vicks vapour drop.
Agree with comments by The Piping Shrike and others about this being a terrible campaign by the major parties.
It’s not just the gaffes (though that was an industrial strength gaffe by Howard today, wasn’t it?). But politicians are human, the press are opportunistic so-and-sos, and gaffes will happen.
The thing is, what is either party’s strategy? The Libs have sort of been forced into running on the economy which is probably not such a dumb idea for them (or wouldn’t be if only the two head honchos could work out whether they’re supposed to be apologising or not).
But what about Labor? They sort of seemed shiny and new before the campaign, now that it’s on they’re in there being very tactical but you’re left wondering why they’d be any different to the Coalition. Surely they don’t think there are all that many votes in broadband as an issue?
Anyway, 60+ polls can’t be wrong. No doubt Labor will fall across the line, ably assisted by their opponents.
Did anyone else catch the report about Boothby on ABC Radio’s PM earlier tonight? Despite all the media criticism, Nicole Cornes is said to be campaigning well and connecting with locals. So we were too hasty to write her off as some dumb bimbo?
Look at the little Ozzie battler go! Up to 94.95 US cents!
Hahahahhhahah just saw Rudd on Lateline get mobbed by school girls at the Marion shopping centre in S.A.
Rudd on Lateline
Glen’s Official transcript
“Let me be clear cut about this, can i just say that when it comes to traveling round this country of ours, on the question of being an economic conservative my challenge to the Prime Minister is this end the blame game. This is a clear cut commitment that under an ALP government the buck will stop with me (touching glasses and licking lips). When it comes to new leadership and fresh ideas for working families we aren’t like Mr Howard a clever politician who chucked fairness out the back door (with accompanying hand gesture). Mr Howard has lost touch why? Because he is stale stuck in the past with old ideas and negative fear campaigns. We need to climb mount everest to win this election and you know something as an unemployed chinese speaking diplomat i know it will go down to the wire. I’ll come down like a tonne of bricks on anyone showing any hubris because when it comes to hubris this is a clear cut commitment to working families”.
There now you don’t need to watch Kevin Rudd. It’s all here for you to enjoy.
LOL!
Agree centaur_007, started to smile more towards the end.
Ok, about Wentworth. King split the Tory vote, yeah?
So um.. what happened to King’s preferences? Did they go to Labor?
heh
Yes the papers will turn in the final week. They will want to get on the winner. Everyone will try and flee the sinking ship, and deny ever being serious in the past 5 weeks. We were just trying to sell papers me lord
whenever there is anything negative about her in the papers here she gets a lot of support, not sure if it will be enough though
Rudd just won big brownie pts with Keating and Hawke there. Overall, I though it was a pretty good interview really and Rudd handled it well. Tony jumped all over the place and Rudd, to his credit, answered every question.
@ 103 Dyno Says:
“Surely they don’t think there are all that many votes in broadband as an issue?” In the outer suburbs where I’m working on a Labor campaign it’s a very big issue and getting lots of comment in the local media. There are whole new housing estates that can’t get ADSL2 so their kids can do their homework and they can run their businesses efficiently, and they’re very pissed off about it.
Schoolgirls mobbed Keating in 96 too. (Still it’s a better sight than Costello mobbing schoolgirls)
What is a Labor Moderniser?
Do you need to plug it in somewhere ?
Lateline: Rudd enunciated a list of differences and came across very well. There was almost a vision of the future, not quite the light on the hill, but more than a headland!
But who’s gonna ease the squeeze on working familieez?
Hahhahahah Howard blames Labor for Howard’s word game!
I’ve never seen a rodent so desperate.
‘I don’t think it’s in anybody’s interest’.
Spot on, Costello.
The best thing about that post Glen is that you used every single word Rudd has used in the past 10 months and LOOK, its only a paragraph. To think we could have at least 3 years of this bumbling repetitive fool as our PM.
Adam @ 113, dream on. When he talks about broadband Rudd looks a lot more like the class nerd than a future PM.
Somehow seeing Rudd with Keating, Whitlam etc reminds me of that scene at the end of Star Wars with the ghostly Yoda etc hanging around.
Oh Liberal grubs, you have much much MUCH more of the Ruddster to suffer through yet
PLAY THEM SIMULTANEOUSLY
Can’t agree Barbara. She is a brain-dead piece of fluff foisted on us by Kevin Foley. I’m in her electorate and I’m going to have to hold my nose and take some anti-nausea medication while I vote for her. And I know plenty who feel the same way. The minor parties are going to have a field day in Boothby.
To be fair, school kids will mob any politician, whether Liberal or Labor.
Adam: any updates from your Labor contacts?
Dyno, you ignore what the outer suburbs think about this issue AT YOUR PERIL.
Rudd looks realy good and interesting when he gets out beyond the political messages – when asked about which Prime Ministers he admired and when asked about the public service.
Ho-pe he can ge the confidence to relax a bit and show the passion on issues.
It’s an issue at my end of Sturt as well. If you want broadband here you have to get cable internet from Bigpond which is more expensive than the same speed ADSL2+.
It also doesn’t make any sense at all that if you want broadband here you have to get it from one company. The government should’ve legislated to force Telstra to sell wholesale access to their cable network.
Glen, as a speil you’d have to admit that beats:
“I’m sorry – but I’m not apologising mind you! – that we need to go for growth – while minding the global financial tsunamis! – and seek to build aspirational nationalism, while deciding who comes here and the circumstances in which they arrive! – but never ever having a GST while keeping interest rates at record lows – but not actually promising that!, and have symbollic reconcilliation – while avoiding getting caught up in symbolism!”
For most people, who haven’t been following Rudd day to day like us, he probably still has a new shiny optomistic feel.
Howies script is shorter;
“I didn’t say that”
I’m getting new rose-coloured Labor contacts tomorrow.
A mate just sent me an email that compared the record of the last Labor government with the Coalition. It had a number of graphs and figures showing how ’superior’ the Coalition was on economic management, providing payrises, spending on health, education etc… Anyone reading this crap was left guessing who released this ‘wealth of information’, no idea at all who provided us with this important public service… that is until one looks at the fine print at the very bottom of the 4th page. Who? None other than the esteemed Brian Loughnane, ACT.
I’m fairly sure a number of my politically unaware friends will fall for this hook, line, and sinker… I guess it’s up to me to enlighten them then.
Keating’s still political poison with a lot of people. Rudd would be well advised to give him a wide berth.
Hawke’s the guy to be hanging around with.
104 Hater
Nicole Cornes connects with me allright… what a babe.
Things are going well for Labor. Keep it up. Not much longer. But don’t take your foot off Howard’s throat!
Well, put Liberal last, but Labor 2nd last.
Rudd – he is da man! Anyone notice Howard in the newsy bit? He is looking like a dissembling old goose in a suit. Which, of course, he is. Sorry, that should be a rat. In a suit, of course.
Adam 113
Entirely agree. Of course, broadband is an issue. We are a laughing stock.
Foreign students politely say we are so far behind.
As is Telstra and the ill fated Howard Government’s handling of its privatisation, without concern for the infrastructure, competition or delivery.
“Ok, about Wentworth. King split the Tory vote, yeah?
So um.. what happened to King’s preferences? Did they go to Labor?
heh”
At least 4.3% voted for King and then preferenced ALP (out of 18%), maybe as much as 6%. It’s conceivable that those punters would repeat the performance with a high profile ALP candidate this time.
so what about this rumour from the other thead about a story in tomorrow’s Fin Review? someone over there reckons its not flattering to K07. I reckon its someone who should keep there hands on top of the desk where we can see them!
Yes, I wouldn’t take any notice of Rudd being mobbed by school girls. Many people go ballistic when they see anyone famous. And some young woman started telling Howard she wasn’t wearing underwear!
And how is Rudd on the PS? Fantastic stuff. really broing of course, but amazingly important.
Well BV we can only fully judge that if Rudd lasts as long as Unca Howie then we’ll compare.
Where did Uncle Buck go he was announced policy yesterday then no follow up?
A dvd library owner told me 6 months ago that broadband was the only issue that concerned the big media bosses. This is their primary concern, getting movies straight to you, media, info and making a buck from it. He thought labor would win just on that, and all the rest was waffle!
Diogenes, I will bet you that on election day Boothby behaves exactly like the other Adelaide seats. If there is a big swing (and at the moment the polls say there is), Cornes will win.
“Anyway while he might be the next Labor Prime Minister of Australia, Costello IMHO will be the next Prime Minister of Australia”
Glen you know as well as anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together that the only way Costello will be PM is if the Coalition win this election: that is, an unelected PM. When [more so than if now we are 16 days away] Labor wins this election, Costello will no doubt walk away and do something else, hopefully overseas.
Thank God and ta ta to Captain Smirk who belongs in the Keating category: suitcases you bring out of the loft when you want to go on holiday from reality for awhile and remember nothing of the experience.
Shows On. You are a mind-reader!
Highly conceivable
Dyno @ 135
Yeah, but by mentioning him as he did here, he limits the likelihood of a Keating outburst like then one he gave Rudd and Gillard earlier in the year – not that I think Keating would do that this close to an election ut you know what I mean. Besides, no one except political tragics like us watch Lateline.
If a dimwhit like Dana Vaille can get elected to parliament, there’s hope for Nicole Cornes.
It appears to be Brian Loughnane’s current strategy – hit and fade missions, where Ministers make big splashes (Abbott, Downer, Turnbull for a while and now Hockey) and then *bammo* they’re gone again!
Dave55,
You might have a point there (both about shutting PJK up, and about LL!)
Broadband is a massive issue everywhere – even in inner Melbourne, where, by the way, it’s fairly sh$#e. It’s like building railways last century. For business poeple it’s a serious big deal. Not to mention education.
Q: When is “sorry” not an apology?
A: When Howard says it.
His lawyer-speak is going to go down real well with Joe & Mary Bogan. No doubt they’ll recall that the PM makes no apologies about it when the notice from the bank comes in with their new mortgage rate.
I reckon he’s sounding more and more like Billy McMahon with each passing day.
Adam you that if she wins she’ll end up a 1 termer as will probably happen to Fergi in Bass.
I’ve a couple of rumours suggesting there’s a fair swing against Smirky in Higgins. It wouldn’t look good for Costello’s leadership ambitions if his seat becomes as marginal as Bennelong or Wentworth.
showson- put it this way- I’m glad I don’t vote in Boothby, I would also find it difficult.
Adam, I hope you are right but I’m talking to a lot of pissed off swinging voters who really hate Nicole. The Advertiser has really done a hatchet job on her. Sturt will go before Boothby.
Keating wouldn’t change one vote.
In 83, the LIbs ad campaign, was Don’t trust the ALP, It’s another Whitlam Show. (or something like that – I was only 11!)
Whitlam was as divisive as Keating, but after 11 years. Geex, everyone knows he’s not running for PM, and if you haven’t heard interest rates went to 17% under him, well go back under your rock.
But who do you trust to deliver that message BV and Glen?
re 139: Broadmand and technology are huge issues. Overseas students wonder what’s wrong. Some years ago my sister-in-law taught at a Chinese University. Took video tapes of Shakespeare with her as that was the norm here. They had to find a VCR in archives or equivalent. This illustrates where we are still stuck today.
Also Rudd tonight praised Fisher, Curtin , Hawke and Keating!! For economic reform. And contrasted Howard Costello as being asleep at the wheel!
I seriously think DP at the DT has been slowly been shifting the vibe. I reckon Howard’s performance today is the final reason they need to break cover and switch to Rudd. I never thought I’d see the day. I wonder if Rudds visit with uncle Rupe in the US involved something along the lines of “you deliver FTTN and well back you in”?
If you asked the swinging voters to choose between tax cuts now and broadband in the future, they’d take the money every time.
Interest rate rises on the other hand, now that’s an issue. But the question is what’s the best way for Labor to exploit it?
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Marktwain Says:
November 8th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
Kev’s tie looks like a Vicks vapour drop.”
Having a bad hair day are we, Sammy? You know, for a sobriqueted sep of letters that shot is so totally lame. You wanna move it on up to some serious satire and leave the cotton-candy stuff to the amateurs and arrivistes, orwot?
Diogenes Says:
November 8th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Get real she has a law degree.
Did anyway hear on ABC PM today that Howard was claiming that under his government there will always be more fertility and less divorce? WTF… So the Rodent is now trying to say that if Rudd gets in everyone is gonna stop having kids and head for the divorce courts… Could someone please confiscate Howards dementia drugs, cos it is becoming quite sad.
Howard Hater 104.
Yes, I heard the piece on Nicole. I posted some threads ago, the Messenger front pager on her. Seems there is a gathering of sympathy, which includes Brighton Secondary, clearly.
There has been more in her favour, Advertiser recently.
Won’t be easy, however, as I have said earlier too, the understandably (labor) antagonists to her selection, have decided to run with her.
Yes, the government’s new policy is “Going For Growth in Sperm Counts”.
Mad Cow,
That reminds me, did anyone else hear Howard dribble (reported on PM) about fertility rates (among other things) going down if Labor gets in? WTF. What is he on? While I kinda get the point he was trying to make, most people won’t understand and it just sounds like a wacky scare campaign (by which I mean even wackier than usual). Cossie must be kicking himself daily for not challenging last year.
Charles@166. No she hasn’t. She’s still studying for one. And there are plenty of brain-dead lawyers.
Any links to back up your claims?
Can someone please tell me how they convinced the Farmers Federation to spend money promoting Liberal Party policy at the expense of the better interests of their own members. I speak about broadband policy.
Dave55, When Costello hears Howard going on about birth rates, he must be kicking himself daily for not having the balls to challenge him last year.
What is going on with Howard, is he Sleep Talking, hopefully no one wakes him up until about 7.30PM on the 24/11/2007, so he can make his last political speech.
Grog, Evidently it doesn’t hurt as much if you don’t have balls…
Grog can’t you accept that Costello isn’t yellow, if you were in his shoes had about 15 out of every Liberal Party MPs in Parliament would you really challenge the PM???
I don’t think he’s yellow, i think he’s a realist.
Neilsen is usually published in Fairfax papers.
If it’s out tomorrow, can we expect it on websites tonight? And if so, what time?
Dave55, no I missed that but it wouldn’t surprise me. What was his pseudo-argument?
Btw, I think a lower birth rate would be a good thing, for a number of reasons.
Glen neither you nor I have the slightest idea what will happen in 2010.
charles @ 166,
Based on some of the interactions I’ve had with lawyers, I’m not totally convinced that a law degree is proof of braininess …
But that’s a little beside the point anyway with Nicole Cornes. She’s become (not entirely through her own fault) a bit of a “soft target” for some of the press. You know, it’s a slow news day, let’s pick out some silly thing she said this week.
I’m sure she’s not a bimbo but I reckon she will underperform the overall Adelaide swing.
Aren’t all liberal supporters limp lettuces and their “members” as such. Fertility can’t possibly be improved by them!
Howard is getting Tabitha to do his speech writing.
Costello didn’t, hasn’t and never will have the balls to challenge for anything. He is singulary the most pathetic excuse for a human ever to grace parliament. I think Turnbull will hold on in Wentworth and lead the Liberals to the next election. Turnbull is their future.
BTW my sources say regional Qld is going ballistic with the National party and are feed up with them being the spare wheel to the Libs. Apparently there will be a big coalition dust up by mid next week with the Nats distancing themselves from Howard.
No 101
It it is interesting Adam that you call the local approach of the Liberals “disgraceful” because they aren’t technically responsible for local issues, yet you are quite happy to support Mr Rudd’s “plan” to take over public hospitals.
You can’t have it both ways.
“Grog can’t you accept that Costello isn’t yellow, if you were in his shoes had about 15 out of every Liberal Party MPs in Parliament would you really challenge the PM???”
If Costello had challenged after the secret ‘deal’, middle of last year, lost, then gone to the backbench, around feb/march with no able deputy, polls bad, backbenchers wold have come round.
No but still Adam, chances are if Rudd isn’t PM by 2010 he probably will win in 2010, if the Tories are beaten this year it’s fairly likely bar being a Scullin that he’ll win in 2010.
AM LOL
Rudd just said ”Restoration of Westminster” which gets my vote (after preferences of course) – watching Howard go about his handiwork has been like watching an episode of “Yes Minister” on Bizarro world.
but the man has NO BALLS
“Do you want to risk the progress we have made as a society off the back of a strong economy? A society where more and more Australians are moving from welfare to work? A society that for all of the disadvantages that still exists directs more support in relative terms to those on low incomes than virtually any other developed country in the world? A more confident and stable society as indicated by measures or indicators like _higher fertility, lower divorce rates_ and lower numbers of children growing up in jobless households.”
Incidentally, in the same speech Howard demonstrated one reason why interest rates and inflation are increasing under the current government.
“If Mr Rudd were of a mind to check the facts he would find that the mining sector now employs far more people working in research, innovation and other knowledge based industries than it does in actually digging up dirt.’’
He doesn’t seem to understand if we had a higher level of research and development we would have higher productivity, and thus lower inflation and interest rates.
Howard is so lame in his declining years that he presents speeches that demonstrate his failings.
Charles says: “Get real she has a law degree…”
Sorry Charles, but, ahem…… I know plenty of cretins with law degrees and practising certificates.
They’re just bits of paper. They don’t make you sensible.
Glen, I think if he had challenged last year, gone to the back bench, he would be PM now, and every announcement he makes would sound so damn new and exciting (and economically sensible) that the polls would be 53-47 in the LIbs favour.
I agree he doesn’t have the numbers – but he still only wants to be given power.
I mean, geez, you’d think the guy has never watched The Godfather!!
Let It End, I hope Kev was wearing knee pads (gulp).
Gosh, EC, that wasn’t very nice. Did I steal your bucket from the sandpit this morning?
mad cow, something to do with less money, working more, can’t afford kids. At least that’s what I think he meant but he didn’t really articulate it that way. Higher divorce rates were in there as well. I was waiting for him to allege that there would be less white picket fences as well but he must have overlooked that one.
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middle man Says:
Don’t know, but given the results from past Liberal smear campaigns I expect a 2% swing to labor.
With enough effort the Liberals can bring my bet of 105 seats to labor home for me.
So you all reckon Rupert is going to give us the all clear to vote for Rudd! Gee, we had better get on our knees to give thanks.
What’s Dessicated going on about with fertility rates and divorces? I think Jannette had better start looking for a suitable nursing home. LOL
Hey there mad cow et al, did you happen on my broadband update at 19?
Keating didn’t have the numbers against Hawke either, which is why he went to the backbench, remember? And then he said to Caucus, you can win with me or lose with him, take your pick. And lo, they chose, and chose wisely. That’s what Costello would have done if he wasn’t such a chicken. As Neville Wran said, you don’t get anything in politics without wading through blood to get it. That’s why Cosello will never be PM.
AM it is called the last death rolls of a man on his last breathe of political air, kicking and screaming ‘it wasn’t me’ who was PM for the last 11 years, it was the Unions, vote for me and I promise to be exorcised and keep puberty low’.
He is an embarresment as PM and has been for some time: thank God he is short enough and useless enough to have been ignored overseas for most of his tenure and people will not remember he was our Prime Minister, at all. I certainly will welcome amnesia when it comes my way for that very reason first and foremost.
The longer the campaign the more senior moments for Ratso.im willing to bet a massive increase in the birth rate in 9 months traced back to the night Nov 24 2007.
Glen 177
Costello is yellow (and not the asian type). He shouldve taken the Rodent on, and if unsuccessful (as PJK), gone to the backbench, then hit him again and take the leadership. Instead he put his tail between his leg to cover the microscopic balls that he has, and because of that weakness, he will always be unelectable.
BTW – Sorry about the ‘weasel’ comment earlier today… but you just pissed me off with your comment last night about my ethics
Hmm.. less money.. working more.. higher divorce rates.. higher mortgage defaults?
Oh hang on, you’re talking about Howard’s years in office
There were indications in December/January when Howard was being interviewed on ABC TV – his manner had turned more to pleading with that rising inflection at the end of sentences rather than his usual assertive self. I noticed it straight away – talking defensively like a loser. I hoped he was going to keep it up.
Yep Crikey. wish you well
I thought Rudd looked ebullient and confident. May know something about the next round of polls.
I thought Howard and Costello were tense and terse . May know something about the next round of polls.
Boothby is a labor gain.
Howard’s non-core apology is a huge issue. All the media – even the now-fawning SMH – ran real big with it today; because they know it was a huge f@#k-up by the great man. He simply can’t accept responsibility; he is pathological in that sense.
# 140 It’s time Says:
The AEC’s site shows that King was the last candidate to be eliminated and his prefs flowed 57.18% to Turnbull. This contrasts with Green prefs which flowed very tightly to the ALP with Patch getting nearly 72% and Turnbull only 11%.
The real point about Costello isn’t his failure to challenge. After all, in most walks of life loyalty would be regarded as a plus.
The real point is that he was disloyal (the infamous dinner with Brissenden et al) but didn’t have the guts to do anything about it. Either be loyal and do nothing, or if you really want to talk about how cr*p the leader is, then do something about it.
But he wanted to knife Howard without getting his hands bloody.
Yes but Adam, this would have played into Beazley’s hands, he probably wouldn’t have been challenged by Rudd because of the disunity in the Libs and the further drop in the polls if Cossie had gone to the backbenches thus Rudd may not have become leader and it would have been a Howie v Kimie election. Adam, Peter put the party ahead of his political ambitions, that’s admirable in my book.
Evan Says:
Given the current front bench, I see your point, but bimbo’s don’t get them.
Generic Liberal, Rudd has no “plan” to take over public hospitals, as you well know. He said that he would give the states an opportunity, in co-operation with the Commonwealth, and a large bucket of money, to get the hospitals right. ONLY if that didn’t work would he consider a takeover – and that point is not going to be reached for at least three years, if ever.
Kina-Is that around the time when he said things like ‘if the australian people are kind eough to vote me back in as PM?’ and other such twaddle?
It’s nice to see a bit of positivity for a change, however inaccurate and uninformative it might be.
As some t-shirt once said “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.” In America they can have guns. In Australia they are required to vote. Someone in the Liberal party war room knows this: these ads were authorised because they might just work.
Has it been confirmed beyond reasonable doubt that the Tele won’t be dishing any “dirt” on Rudd tomorrow? Or have they denied it to try and give the ALP a false sense of security?
Isn’t there something a bit ironic about Bush telling Musharaf that he can’t be “President and head of the military at the same time”? This is what the U.S. chain of command looks like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_United_States#National_Command_organizational_chart
I think Bush meant that the President should be a civilian, which is quite different.
Thus, Adam his plan is just a slogan as there is no substance behind his policy on hospitals?
Glen, all year I was worried the Libs would get smart and dump Howard for Costello.
Rudd has got Howard worked out. If Costello was in charge, the Libs would have been revitilised. The front bench would be changed, and anyhting slightly unpoopular get jettisoned as Howard’s policy.
Costello could have ratified Kyoto.
Costello could have made the same announcement Howard made about Iraq during the debate, but it actually would have registered.
Costello could have brought in the “safety net” and all the sh*t stuff with work choices could be heaped on Howard.
I have no doubt you would have won with Costello. He could have spent the entire year talking only about social issues. He would have got 85% of the “doctors wives”, so at the very least all this worry about Wentworth and other such normally safe LIb seats would be gone.
Charles, you didn’t read this the first time so I’ll repeat it. SHE HASNT GOT A LAW DEGREE. She’s still studying for one. OK.
mad cow, yes, the irony wasn’t lost on me either.
Anyway taking over all the hospitals is at least a coherent strategy. Taking over ONE hospital, in a marginal seat, for reasons of immediate political advantage, is nothing less than corrupt – and then they botched it anyway. Sid Sidebottom cannot believe his luck, I can tell you.
Sinic@214
The Editor of the Tele denied on 2GB radio in Sydney today there was any story. Total beat up.
Its Time, what did King’s HTV say?
Um, no. He said the federal government will fund them 100%, but not run them. It’s misleading Liberal hacks that say the policy is something different than what it is.
Next he will saying WorkChoices increases the fertility rate, because it meant so many workers got f#$@ed.
I don’t rightly recall – I think it may have been about his nuclear plans or Hicks.
JWH did not apologise, he was just “expressing sympathy” to people hit with another mortgage rate interest rise- he could not give a damn about them.
This is our PM saying this crap: forget about Party politics: What a lying, sleezy, pathetic, uncaring, insensitive, slug he has turned out to be, even in the public eye now he does not care who knows anymore.
I once thought a Rudd slide would be bad news for an accountable, democratic state of affairs…screw that idea now:
I hope Rudd gets up by a freakin Rudd slide now and sends a strong message to JWH that he has been assessed as no political stateman but a slug; a pathetic little rodent..the WORST PM in Australian political history.no wonder young people are cynical about politics are growing up with that slug as our PM. He is pathetic.
Maybe they can add fertility rates to AWAs.
William has put my post in moderation because it has “b*ttom” in it! Surely even in WA you can say “b*ttom”?
Glen, Peter put the Party first only if you think short term. A real leader would have looked ahead and said I’m the man to lead this country, so get out of the f*cking way.
His putting the party first is a convenient way of saying he doubted himself.
And thus he doesn’t deserve to be PM.
Whatever you say about Howard or Rudd, everyone knows that they both think that they are the best man for the job.
I wonder if this will be brought up by anyone int he canmpaign tomorrow, given that the govt wants to take up the nuclear option?
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22727347-2,00.html
Grog @ 218,
The bottom line is Howard’s seen as too old and as having been there too long.
Two disadvantages Costello wouldn’t have had if he’d become PM a year ago.
Bluebottle, yes Howard has been a fraud for all of his political life, totally base!
Sorrygate is going to play out very bad for the Libs tomorrow, after it all sinks in with (as Evan says) Joe & Mary Bogan. The Rodent basically said in bogan language ‘Not sorry about the rates, and in fact you are a bunch of ungrateful pricks because I gave you tax cuts’
Nothing on smh.com.au about AC Nielsen.
And no dirt on news.com.au about Rudd.
See you tomorrow!
But, Diogenes 219, does it matter?
At least she doesn’t belong to a dreaded UNION.
I know you don’t like it, I don’t like it, the Greens bloke doesn’t like it, said Labor persons had come over to Greens as a result.
I will be handing out for Greens on the great day, but my interest is the Senate.
Dyno – thanks for making my point much more succinctly!
Not to mention Labor, HOR.
As I have instructed my neice, who is awaiting her next interview. And a few of my siblings and a number of friends. Who ask me.
Glen, I thought you were all about equal coverage. How come you haven’t said anything about THIS thread?
And can anyone tell me which CPI figure we’re looking at for the Sawford formula? The result hinges on it.
Bedtime for hardworking hacks…
Nite folks
Rudd should tie this to the nuclear power debate.
Just heard La Troll has quit her daily Torycast. Maybe off to join the Smirk in opposition.
Interesting article, ShowsOn.
Every bet hedged, as it reads.
As Tabitha would say:
Nuclear great
People hate
No 234
Maybe the repulsive nature of Rudd’s ear wax escapade was enough dirt to change votes.
Beneath contempt.
Diogenes Says:
I stand corrected. Labor party blurb:
Just on this thread. Saw this and hope no one has already put it up.
{ABC talk back host Trioli quits
Thursday Nov 8 23:25 AEDT
The ABC’s Virginia Trioli has quit her Sydney radio talk back show.
A News Ltd newspaper has reported the morning presenter quit amid falling ratings.}
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=319297
Generic Person Says:
November 8th, 2007 at 11:56 pm
Lasted for about a day, now it just increases my disgust at what the Liberal party has become.
[The ABC’s Virginia Trioli has quit her Sydney radio talk back show.
A News Ltd newspaper has reported the morning presenter quit amid falling ratings.}
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=319297
Hopefully she quites Friday Lateline, and is replaced by LEIGH SAYLES in a GOLD shirt.
I am so sad.
Scorpio, the Trolloli ‘Major National News’ was mentioned, I think.
Will she stand as a Lib or Independent?
248 – Agree
Why should we vote Liberal?
Because Kevin Rudd eats his own ear wax.
Wonderful…
Cheer up, Kina.
She may be at a hustings near you.
A little light relief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4zmwqbBKYY
Stirton saying Rudd has full support of baby boomers.
What the Papers say.
Crikey Whitey Says: @ 251
Good one! lol
Just watched Rudd on Lateline. He had an absolute shocker. I guess he has the flu……
Thommo,
You would say that wouldn’t you?
What is it about gold shirts?
Get used to it, he’s going to be P.M. for at least 6 years.
Was that the interview with Downer and the revealing gold silk shirt?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xUy2inkGHQ – the next Tory PM of the UK, tears Brown to shreds in the House of Commons.
It’s a good gold shirt.
Was that the interview with Downer and the revealing gold silk shirt?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xUy2inkGHQ – the next Tory PM of the UK, tares Brown to shreds in the House of Commons.
More sorry not apologising. W (tf) The Papers Say. Fin Review.
That’s the one.
And the previous night she had one that was federation blue.
Yes Greens im an honest guy. If you think he performed well your kidding yourself.
Showson last time I checked the election was still two weeks away. In other words the fat lady isn’t even at the opera yet.
ShowsOn didn’t he get caught taking a peak? lol!
Glen,
Fantastic, you are drooling over Alexander Downer.
Others here are talking about Leigh Sayles.
Says everything, really.
Oh.
Glen. John Hewson?
Evan at 155:
How very inclusive of you. You’re as ay-leetest as Howard.
Greeensborough Growler the interview where Leigh wore the gold shirt was with Downer, get serious mate!
She’s there, but just having a nap.
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Marktwain Says:
November 8th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
Gosh, EC, that wasn’t very nice. Did I steal your bucket from the sandpit this morning?”
Yes, it was rather nasty, Sammy. However, you did take the liberty of casting sartorial aspersions upon my preferred PM.
And for your late night delectation, my latest update from Lib HQ, via my old mate in Oz. (posted on the Newspolls thread earlier)
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VoterBoy of Over the Water Says:
November 8th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
Ok, just got off the phone to my Lib staffer mate. Oddly a slightly more optimistic tone than last week, although he things Howard’s latest gaffe was a disaster.
Comments… “we are closing the gap”
“Here’s the story – the vote is around 46-54, or 47-53. There’s 10-15% undecided and they’re breaking 70% our way.
“But all these f*ck-ups keep occurring.”
He then launched into an amazing attack on Howard’s sorry-not sorry comments.
“We had a whole strategy, the Tsunami strategy, to deal with this. He’s says he’s sorry – we get blanket coverage. Now he’s not sorry – so we’re going to get blanket headlines on that! The senior strategy team must be saying ‘we’re f*cked”.
I asked who the team was – he said Loughnane, Ted Horton (sp?) and Tony Nutt. I asked whether they’d tried to rein him in. “You know what Howard’s like,” he said. “He gets crabby and cranky and stubborn.”
“I wouldn’t say it’s over – and we’ve come back to where we were last November, which is the best we’ve been since Rudd took over, but we keep being derailed by the blow-ups. Rudd’s plane’s just landed and he’s tearing us to pieces…”
And then my slightly more reflective follow-up:
1145
VoterBoy of Over the Water Says:
November 8th, 2007 at 11:26 pm
Lefty E, Grog, et al,
You know I’ve been thinking more about our conversation since I posted it and I think I might have misrepresented the tone. I think that the 70% and closing gap references were rhetorical. He started out with these “facts”, and then launched into this bitter attack on cranky old Howard f*cking up all the hard work of others. He was laughing throughout this, with incredulity.
On reflection, I suspect the conversation wasn’t so much about whether they can win (which he seriously doubts), but more about what a hopelessly destructive campaigner Howard has been, and how he had managed to seriously derail the campaign just when thinks were looking (however marginally) less negative.
(spellings left uncorrected to show you I’m human…)
Glen,
Who cares who she was interviewing.
Thommo,
I know, I know. You are as honest as the day is long.
That’s why you blog at night.
See my 206 for a considered and more accurate assessment .
Thommo, the fat lady is at the opera.
Undoubtedly, La Scala.
Not a few months too soon.
And humming her heart out.
In finely woven gold cloth teddy bear blouson.
How can Howard be serious, the Labor party will cause more divorces and lower fertility no wonder Liberal hacks are concerned.
No ACNielsen today.
Obviously the Howard Hooters being upset by Rudd’s performance on LL tonight is clear indication our future PM did exceedingly well.
Get used to it lads, from 15 days hence you have at least 3 years of such enjoyment to look forward to.
Voterboy @275, you do the sums on that case and you get.
best case
46/54 lib/lab with the assumption that 10% are undecided and of those 70% fall back to liberal. That means that 46/54 is the split within the decided 90%
so.. 46% * 0.9 + 70% * 0.1 = 48.4
which gives a 48.4/51.6 lib/lab final result
and
worst case
47/53 lib/lab with the assumption that 15% are undecided and 70% of those fall to liberal. That means that the 47/53 is the split within the decided 85%.
And that give us… 50.45/49.55 lib/lab
Is that the best that they hope for?
Frankly I think the 70% split is a bit optimistic. So to is the 15% undecided.
I guess there will be more divorces, and necessarily a lower reproduction rate.
As mortgage hikes take their toll on young couples and their hopes and dreams.
From Radio Info re Trioli.
Hmm, no radio, but TV – does this mean the Lateline Gig AND some Yartz type program ?
Crikey, statistically speaking those countries with the best standard of living (in real terms.. you know.. happiness) are the ones with the lowest birth rate, and vice versa.
So I reckon Howard is right. Depression, homelessness, starvation.. more babies!
CW,
“The Ride of the Valkyries” is on high rotation in Greensborough.
VoterBoy – your lib buddy must be tearing out the hair. Howard’s non-core apolgy demonstrates the worst sort of judgement – tonight on the lateline news he looked like a goose, hissing and leering about how the ALP was misrepresenting his words. He it was, of course, who said sorry and then today told us it wasn’t an apology. How could you work on that campaign and think there was ANY hope?
Speaking of hope, is it a bloodbath yet?
GG – gotterdammerung is a bit high falutin for the demise of a bunch of clowns, isn’t it?
I like Leigh too, but Alexei is funnier.
As for this fat lady/opera stuff, the shows been over for the Government for months. It closed-up faster than a Max Bialystock production.
We’re just going through the inevitable, interminable, critical post mortem.
Evan, not to mention the months that follow when all the dirty secrets start leaking out
CL de F,
I’ve said it before, and I will say it again……..
The Labor TPP vote has fluctuated between 54 and 60% all year. The 48% Primary is rock solid. All the “soft vote” is on the Liberal side. Look at the faces and watch the demeanour of the Libs. They are gone!
This will be a massacre.
Someone on ABC was saying Trioli will concentrate on TV work (ABC) and speculated that in addition to Yartz and Friday Lateline she might take on Media Witch as Monica Attard is leaving.
But will she be commenting on some of the howlers she’s uttered while on radio though ??
GG – this too is my view. I simply can’t see the election night spectacle set to Wagner.
Mad Cow at 282 – yes, someone on the other thread also showed how these numbers are absolute nonsense – even if they do come good – the Libs are dead in the water.
M’sieur Footscray at 287 – it is now beyond hair-tearing and into the hysterical laughter phase.
The Australian voters may be waiting for Howard with nerf bats, as someone said, but the party machine is waiting for him with titanium baseball bats. He is hated, absolutely hated.
Greeeeeeeeeeensborough. Whoops!
Ring Cycle is all, here!
CL de F,
My dog is called Gotterdammerung. It attacks on the Command “Liberal”.
GG I rather like the quote from Babylon 5…
“They’re coming through,” Ivanova’s voice cries out desperately, “repeat, they’re coming through. This is Earth Alliance Station Babylon 5. They’re all over the place! They’re killing us. Can anyone hear me? They’re killing us!”
Putting Trioli on Media Watch as presenter is about as appropriate as putting Alan Jones on as scriptwriter.
I know I’m biased but I think Howard is sounding like he’s off his head. After a strong attacking performance yesterday (which of course he was prepared for, charts and all) he blunders with his Unapology, and gives a speech about the blight that will befall this country under Rudd, and I could have sworn he was about to tell us that rampaging unionists would eat our babies. Desperation time. Going for broke.
I have already recorded to CD, for the great night, parts of Gotterdamerung!
Suggestions for funereal music most welcome, as well.
Cmon Howard, please say it… “Unionists under the beds!”
But, Jude.
La Trolloli’s career will be shortlived, on ABC, after the Fall.
Hmm, Ch 9 just ran a Liberal Party ad for Swan.
Oh and from the Sham I AM:
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/dennisshanahan/index.php/theaustralian/comments/ir_policy_one_debate_labor_cant_avoid/
mediawatch should bring back littlemore
Yeah, Frank, as stenographers go, Shill Shanahan is a complete original.
I think virginia is lovely.
Like the adaptation, shamiam, Frank.
and the Editorial from the GG.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22726691-23069,00.html
As if anyone didn’t already know it but the experts agree, the libs adds are a disater;
http://www.theage.com.au/news/federal-election-2007-news/experts-not-sold-on-lib-ad-campaign/2007/11/08/1194329414780.html
A night without new poll results… it just feels so very wrong
My Shanahan blog contribution:
IN an extraordinary display of huff and puff, Shanahan yesterday set out his master’s political plan for the rest of the election – spin, spin, spin.
“Extraordinary display of bravado and confidence”?? Talking about jobs in an election campaign takes courage? What is Shanahan on?
On another note, can someone tell me how to get that elegant quotation mark and grey text when including quotes from elsewhere on this blog?
Well today should be OK. 2 new Morgan Polls, and then hints on Sky News and / or Lateline. Probably the Galaxy Wentworth poll on Sunday, and a national Nielsen on Saturday, that according to ESJ is 55/45.
We will find out how big a fraud ESJ is depending on whether the result is accurate or not.
Great new site.
Hours of fun.
http://www.mrjohnclarke.com/html/SWF/flash.php?page=CD2&CDepisode=episode14
Always expected Howard to implode as the campaign wore on and reality of being cast aside sunk in. It will only get worse over the next 15 days as all hope finally evaporates.
Just look at the difference in demeanour between Rudd, Howard and Costello. Ruddy is pleasant and upbeat where the others are resentful and disconsolate.
Rudd the bright visionary against “chicken little” sky falling in. Tells the whole story really.
Jude @ 313
you have to use blockquote at the start and /blockquote at the end.
This should help you with the formatting.
http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_blockquote.asp
Disgraceful to say, the older Lib voters, who are not about to change their vote anyway, are scared to wherever about the Unions.
They seem to be persuaded by their old perceptions, and let’s see, if they have been out of the workforce for argument’s sake, about fifteen to twenty years, it seems they have no idea of what occurred under Enterprise Bargaining, the Accord, secured minimum wage and conditions, the results in terms of reduced industrial action and a general harmony. However restless underneath.
No conception that the UNIONS have no sway, as in the days they are referencing.
No acknowledgement that change, in terms merely of membership, would make a difference if a strike were called.
No understanding or even willingness, to comprehend Fair Work, under Labor policy.
Not going to win them. Embedded in times past.
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Jude Says:
November 9th, 2007 at 12:48 am
I know I’m biased but I think Howard is sounding like he’s off his head.
…..
I agree. He has clearly lost it. His speech is confused and fumbling whilst his manner is increasingly erratic and even eccentric. He must be feeling very lost.
Is this right?
No, obviously not. I’ll have to try and follow these instructions when I’m more awake. Thanks, Sondeo.
I don’t work for a party so I’m happy to show hubris.
Election eve it’ll be over by 7pm. With 3.5% counted you’ll hear about “Early swings to Labor” and the headlines will just get worse by the 20 minutes thereafter. Minchin will have the knives out early once he gives up the ghost and then the retributions will begin …
Howard will say things like they ran a good campaign but that the stark political reality is that the economy is so good many cannot remember labor in power. He will take responsibility for the loss – and probably some smarmy parting comment like he hopes the australian people all the best under the new leadership – and that good economic times continue. He’ll rave on about his past – he’ll make up all sorts of historical lines on how marvellous the libs (read as HE) have been in power, talking up the wonders of economic management they’ve shown – and how happy he is to be leaving with the country in such a wonderful state … blah blah.
Frankly I think Rudd could be pictured half up a goat on tomorrow’s Telegraph, AFR or whatever.
It’s already over. I actually feel sorry for any of the tories rank and file that hold onto hope – it’ll be a terrible disappointment. It was lost before the rates rise – that’s just salt into a festering wound. The libs have wound down – you can see it, the party core has collapsed. They’re just going through the motions – all the poor souls desperately trying to save their seats.
People are tired and ready to vote. Hell I’m tired and ready to vote – I understand those that switch off. Minds are made up – everything else is BLAH BLAH to sell papers until election day. About all that’s left is Labor trying to consolidate a lead – he’ll probably turn to WA next and sure up NSW (who knows / who cares).
Tis over. Start the timer till a majority hate labor again … if the economy holds it could be a long term in Government.
PS> If the libs really start eating their own and bailing before election day I reckon Bennelong will fall. It will have a certain fatalism about it – all the media training in the world can’t hide despair and anger at a leader that just wouldn’t shuffle into the night.
Fat lady not ready to sing? Song’s over mate … nothing but trampled roses on stage to see here. She’s packed up and gone home.
{Mr Howard and Mr Costello are setting a trap for Labor around which Mr Rudd needs to tread very carefully over the next two weeks if he is not to see his prime ministerial ambitions crushed.]
Trying to use the one weapon he has left, the so-called economic advantage to neutralise his biggest problem, workchoices, is the last desperate act of an administration in total free-fall.
The biggest problem Howard has got is no matter how much hundreds and thousands he tips on the WC turd, nobody is going to buy it. Rudd is steadily eroding Howard on the economic front too, especially with the weapons available to him now.
Rising inflation, Interest rates and unemployment, housing affordability at an all time low and the list goes on and on. Some trap. I bet Rudd can’t believe his luck. Every time Howard and Costello talk about both these two issues, they are feeding into Rudd’s strengths.
Jude @ 321
Instead of [] use
nath at 307
‘I think virginia is lovely’.
Off you go, then.
‘I will follow her, wherever she may go’…..music swells, fades.
Jude @ 321
Sorry Jude, it should be like this:
Instead of [ ] substitute the less than or greater than symbols.
*cough* bullshit
It’s also an admission that WorkChoices cuts wages and conditions.
But Shanahan somehow thinks that is to the government’s benefit.
Fletch (322), eeeasy there lad. It won’t be over by 7.00pm. Unless you are in the land of toads, mangoes, Prime Ministers, flying foxes, loquats, Treasurers, lychees and lungfish of course!
Given that we QLDers disgracefully gave the Rodent control of the Senate last time, and so are collectively to blame for letting Ratty and Tip bring in WorkNoChoices, I hope that as the QLD results begin to be posted around 7.30PM Sydney time (6.30 here) that Kevin is already up 14 or 15 seats. The flood of ALP gains here will then push them over the line, helping to wipe out our shame.
Scorpio.
Traps are set for rodents, at least at my place.
I think Bleak’s cartoon in the GG describes Howard and Costello’s dilemma better that Shannahan’s dribble.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/opinion/cartoons/
I must clear off, to bed.
Good thread, William and all.
Until then.
Crikey Whitey, yeah, it looks as though you don’t even have to bait the traps for the silly beggers to get caught.
This just goes to show just how tricky and dishonest Howard is.
{Howard’s figuring was not entirely upfront.
The family he nominated has the father in line for a tax cut of $82.70 a month and the mother $37.20 a month. Yes, the $120 a month headline is accurate.
But this is not a mainstream example. More than half the nation’s home-borrowing households won’t be seeing tax cuts of this order from the Coalition’s election package.
The median income for a household with a mortgage was $81,600 at the census in August last year. Assuming wages grow at a modest clip of 4 per cent a year, that translates to combined income of $88,000 next year.
The respective tax cuts here are $49.60 for dad and $37.20 for mum. Round that up for pollie speak, and it comes to $90 a month – $30 less than Howard’s example.
Now you see why the PM wouldn’t go to the median home borrower for his case study – Wednesday’s rate rise wipes out roughly half the 2008 tax cut promised to voters.
Remember, the money markets are predicting at least one more hike to come. That would add a further $40 to $50 a month to the mortgage burden in December, or perhaps next February, based on the PM’s sums.
Voters, repeat after me: take one election tax cut worth $90 and subtract two interest rate hikes, worth a combined $80 to $100. What does that leave you? }
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/meganomics/index.php/theaustralian/comments/tax_cuts_hikes_small_change
Re. #310 Let It End –
How much of the Liberal fear campaign is being scripted by their close US counterparts (Republicans!!)? It seems to me to be more in line with their take on what scares people back into the fold.
Unfortunately, Australians are (on average!) more intelligent and well read than US citizens; which would explain the lack of bite with the useless Liberal campaign.
Jude #313
You just need to enter your comment within a blockquote element.
For example:
<blockquote>
On another note, can someone tell me how to get that elegant quotation mark and grey text when including quotes from elsewhere on this blog?
</blockquote>
will be displayed as:
Fellow Entrail-readers…
Given what was said the other day about the supposed Daily Telegraph of a Rudd story that would make Scores irrelevant, what do you make of this bizarrely concocted headline from today’s Telegraph.
PM not sorry, election rival ‘gay’
The gay business has nothing to do with Howard’s apology – indeed, it makes no sense whatsoever – it’s about Dani Ecuyer using gay men to tout her run for Wentworth, a story that would struggle to get an inside mention in the Wentworth Courier, and certainly wouldn’t appear under the headline “Election rival ‘gay’” because a) that not what the story’s about – the story is ‘Candidate to use gay hunks in campaign,’ and b) any self-respecting journalist, sub-editor or editor would realise that such a headline was potentially misleading.
Written the way it is, however, it is deliberately misleading.
The Liberal Party high command better be praying that its fingerprints can’t be found anywhere near this, or there’ll be the mother of all sh*t storms next week.
(And btw, Tories, even if Kevin’s as queer as a bottle of crisps, he’s still going be elected PM on November 24th. Get used to it.)
Greensborough Growler @ 315 – Thank you so much for the link!!
I loved ‘ The Hon Peter Costello 2003′ – nothing has changed!!
oh dear, shock horror! the news we’ve all been waiting to hear now we can all go to bed! http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22725591-2,00.html
15 seconds?????
Don’t they have …… have they run out of money?
sorry not a subscriber, but I reckon this is the story.
Exclusive: Latham lashes greed-driven campaign
09 Nov 2007 | The Australian Financial Review | Marcus Priest
Former Labor leader Mark Latham has broken his silence by accusing both the main political parties of pandering to middle-class greed.
centaur – I suspect you’re right (though see above for my far more salacious offering from the Murdoch stable of filth and depravity).
I can’t see how being attacked by Mark Latham is going to do Rudd any harm. It certainly needn’t do.
(And what are you doing out of bed at 4.39am?)
Where I used to live (before SW Sydney) was in Kensington. I could walk to Arden Street over the train lines and watch North at training. We were able to get wonderful Broadband there. It was Optus and we were annoyed at the limits on monthly downloads, but that was our choice due to the cost of the various programs. Service in and of itself was readily available. What parts of the inner city aren’t wired, CL?
# 315 Greeensborough Growler Says: November 9th, 2007 at 1:09 am
Absolute gold.
The hard copy edition of the Daily Tele runs a straight head on Farr’s “sorry” story: “Defining moment in PM’s sorry saga – Mortgagees don’t rate an apology.”
Seems that other nonsense was just the online version.
Here’s hoping.
Yay! Sondeo and Davidoff, thank you.
Has anybody noticed how the betting on the marginal seats Labor needs to win are not in line at all with the betting on the overall election.
Morgan – 56-44
And you’ve fallen for it. Go and talk to Cornes. You may be surprised. To find out where she’s campaigning email Nicole.Cornes@alp.org.au or ph: 0431 147 716.
Even if she’s twice a stupid as you believe, she’d still be a genius compared to the dickhead who’ll be relected in Mayo
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Fletch! Says:
November 9th, 2007 at 1:19 am”
Wonderful stuff, Fletch! The smart money put down the binoculars a couple of months back. From here to E-Day it’s just a question of; how well contructed is the Coalition’s Firewall? ( cf. Possum archives)
Back to the start of this thread. I live in Stirling. Michael Keenan has only been interested in “local” issues – potholes in roads, graffiti, cops on the beat – since he was elected in 2004, so this ad is nothing new. I will be very surprised if Labor doesn’t pick up Stirling this time. It is a seat that has swung back and forth over many years. Libs won in ‘96, Labor in ‘98 and ‘01, Libs in ‘04, and only by 2%. Take away the Latham factor and interest rate scare tactics and that margin disappears. Labor candidate Peter Tinley is an ex SAS major now running his own business, Keenan has only worked in his family real estate business and as a party staffer. Stirling is a seat targeted by the ACTU Your Rights at Work campaign and GetUp so there is a lot of community activity below the radar. Keenan also managed to p*ss off the Ethnic Communities Council by personally abusing the president of the Council over a forum they were trying to organise. If there is any sort of swing on Keenan is gone, but won’t be missed.