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		<title>By: rossco</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/09/media-watch/comment-page-12/#comment-73511</link>
		<dc:creator>rossco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I were born in 1946 so we are among the original baby boomers. We object strenuosly to being counted as part of Howard&#039;s generation. He is old, we are only 61.
We celebrated Whitlam and Hawke&#039;s victories, not so much Keating as he was already in office.  Look forward to celebrating Rudd&#039;s win (Howard&#039;s loss) on the 24th, especially if the Greens have balance of power in the Senate.  But after manning a booth all day it will probably be an early night.  Hope it is a landslide so we are not left waiting for late votes to come in to decide the last seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I were born in 1946 so we are among the original baby boomers. We object strenuosly to being counted as part of Howard&#8217;s generation. He is old, we are only 61.<br />
We celebrated Whitlam and Hawke&#8217;s victories, not so much Keating as he was already in office.  Look forward to celebrating Rudd&#8217;s win (Howard&#8217;s loss) on the 24th, especially if the Greens have balance of power in the Senate.  But after manning a booth all day it will probably be an early night.  Hope it is a landslide so we are not left waiting for late votes to come in to decide the last seats.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob from Bonner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/09/media-watch/comment-page-12/#comment-73416</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob from Bonner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real panic and desperation is beginning to set in with these ads.To the lifeboats,Save yourselves!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real panic and desperation is beginning to set in with these ads.To the lifeboats,Save yourselves!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob from Bonner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/09/media-watch/comment-page-12/#comment-73406</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob from Bonner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same ads are being used in Brisbane,thus far the voice over tells us Ross Vasta will be tougher on crime(What the hell is HE going to do?????????)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same ads are being used in Brisbane,thus far the voice over tells us Ross Vasta will be tougher on crime(What the hell is HE going to do?????????)</p>
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		<title>By: Fargo61</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/09/media-watch/comment-page-12/#comment-73401</link>
		<dc:creator>Fargo61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charlie (# 581)

I am happy to report that here in Brisbane, only Liberals like Ross Vasta (Bonner) are tough on crime. At least that is what the TV ad said about 15 minutes ago. I was surprised that another Liberal wasn&#039;t picked instead, but maybe there will be a rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charlie (# 581)</p>
<p>I am happy to report that here in Brisbane, only Liberals like Ross Vasta (Bonner) are tough on crime. At least that is what the TV ad said about 15 minutes ago. I was surprised that another Liberal wasn&#8217;t picked instead, but maybe there will be a rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: Midnorthcoast</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/09/media-watch/comment-page-12/#comment-73350</link>
		<dc:creator>Midnorthcoast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael @ 97 and othersI am sure but can&#039;t get all through the thresd. Kelly&#039;s line up on Radio National today was:
1.An ABC reporter (Lyndal Curtis) with Team Howard. Kelly and the reporter bounced off each other lines about the coalition winning the week, being on song and the rate rise as a triumph for Howard
2. Gerard Henderson
3. A panel of Glenn Milne, Michael Kroger and Michelle Grattan.

I thought this was beyond the limit and rang the ABC in Sydney. To my surprise I was put through to the breakfast show producer, the toffee voiced James Carlton. He assurred me that a fair view was being given by the two journalists. I replied that calling Glenn Milne a journalist was stretching the truth and perhaps they should get Alan Jones, who was also a journalist. He thanked me for my sarcasm and I reminded him that he was a public servant. He did give me details of how to make a formal complaint but I think I will try mediawatch instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael @ 97 and othersI am sure but can&#8217;t get all through the thresd. Kelly&#8217;s line up on Radio National today was:<br />
1.An ABC reporter (Lyndal Curtis) with Team Howard. Kelly and the reporter bounced off each other lines about the coalition winning the week, being on song and the rate rise as a triumph for Howard<br />
2. Gerard Henderson<br />
3. A panel of Glenn Milne, Michael Kroger and Michelle Grattan.</p>
<p>I thought this was beyond the limit and rang the ABC in Sydney. To my surprise I was put through to the breakfast show producer, the toffee voiced James Carlton. He assurred me that a fair view was being given by the two journalists. I replied that calling Glenn Milne a journalist was stretching the truth and perhaps they should get Alan Jones, who was also a journalist. He thanked me for my sarcasm and I reminded him that he was a public servant. He did give me details of how to make a formal complaint but I think I will try mediawatch instead.</p>
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		<title>By: William Bowe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/09/media-watch/comment-page-12/#comment-73165</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Liberal ad just aired in Perth using Steve Irons, the candidate for Swan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Liberal ad just aired in Perth using Steve Irons, the candidate for Swan.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/09/media-watch/comment-page-12/#comment-73147</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw a new Liberal ad here in Melbourne.  It mentioned something about Labor being soft on crime, then had a black-and-white photo of John Brumby, then a terrifyingly-red map of Australia with terrifyingly-red &quot;WALL TO WALL LABOR&quot; written across it, and ended with &#039;only Liberals like FRAN BAILEY in McEwen are tough on crime&quot;.

I guess McEwen is in trouble.  Anyone seen any other seat-specific ads here in Victoria (or other states)?  They&#039;re clearly in damage control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw a new Liberal ad here in Melbourne.  It mentioned something about Labor being soft on crime, then had a black-and-white photo of John Brumby, then a terrifyingly-red map of Australia with terrifyingly-red &#8220;WALL TO WALL LABOR&#8221; written across it, and ended with &#8216;only Liberals like FRAN BAILEY in McEwen are tough on crime&#8221;.</p>
<p>I guess McEwen is in trouble.  Anyone seen any other seat-specific ads here in Victoria (or other states)?  They&#8217;re clearly in damage control.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Bruce</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/09/media-watch/comment-page-12/#comment-73059</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swan - Howard not only has core and non core promises but core and non core apologies as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swan &#8211; Howard not only has core and non core promises but core and non core apologies as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Corbett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/09/media-watch/comment-page-12/#comment-72958</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Corbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MayoFeral

Thanks for that. Truth will out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MayoFeral</p>
<p>Thanks for that. Truth will out.</p>
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		<title>By: MayoFeral</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/09/media-watch/comment-page-12/#comment-72934</link>
		<dc:creator>MayoFeral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thaddeus asked: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;I believe Labor should come out now and indicate it will be investigating a number of ministers including

Downer AWB
Vaile AWB
Reith Children Overboard
Woolridge Medicare

Can anyone think of anymore?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The entire cabinet on War Crimes (crimes against POWs). A number of prominent lawyers including the former Commonwealth Solicitor-General, and the former ADF Judge Advocate-Genral have released an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hrlrc.org.au/html/s02_article/article_view.asp?id=141&amp;nav_cat_id=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;opinion&lt;/a&gt; that members of the government appear to have a case to answer. That does not require referal to the ICC, its also covered by section 286 of the Aust Crimes Act.

There would also seem to be an open and shut case for them having committed the ultimate war crime - Waging Aggressive War, or &quot;Crimes Against Peace&quot;, and depending how much they knew of the details covered in the &#039;Downing Street Memo&#039; possibly also Conspiracy to Wage Aggressive War. Unfortunately, both would probably need to be prosecuted through the ICC and the UN has yet to rule on whether they will allow such prosecutions (See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.un.org/News/facts/iccfact.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for more). This is due to be debated in 2009, but I doubt they will. America, for one, would be unlikely to agree. Same for Russia.

BTW-Few people are aware of this, but the British military leaders initially refused to give the orders for the invasion of Iraq, delaying it by 5 days, because they feared ending up in a ICC cell. They only agreed when the UK A-G provided a legal opinion declaring the war legal. This was a 180 degree turn on the opinion he&#039;d provided to parliament only a few days earlier! The UK foreign minister&#039;s legal advisor subsequently &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0324-02.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;resigned&lt;/a&gt; in protest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thaddeus asked: </p>
<blockquote><p>I believe Labor should come out now and indicate it will be investigating a number of ministers including</p>
<p>Downer AWB<br />
Vaile AWB<br />
Reith Children Overboard<br />
Woolridge Medicare</p>
<p>Can anyone think of anymore?</p></blockquote>
<p>The entire cabinet on War Crimes (crimes against POWs). A number of prominent lawyers including the former Commonwealth Solicitor-General, and the former ADF Judge Advocate-Genral have released an <a href="http://www.hrlrc.org.au/html/s02_article/article_view.asp?id=141&amp;nav_cat_id=" rel="nofollow">opinion</a> that members of the government appear to have a case to answer. That does not require referal to the ICC, its also covered by section 286 of the Aust Crimes Act.</p>
<p>There would also seem to be an open and shut case for them having committed the ultimate war crime &#8211; Waging Aggressive War, or &#8220;Crimes Against Peace&#8221;, and depending how much they knew of the details covered in the &#8216;Downing Street Memo&#8217; possibly also Conspiracy to Wage Aggressive War. Unfortunately, both would probably need to be prosecuted through the ICC and the UN has yet to rule on whether they will allow such prosecutions (See <a href="http://www.un.org/News/facts/iccfact.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> for more). This is due to be debated in 2009, but I doubt they will. America, for one, would be unlikely to agree. Same for Russia.</p>
<p>BTW-Few people are aware of this, but the British military leaders initially refused to give the orders for the invasion of Iraq, delaying it by 5 days, because they feared ending up in a ICC cell. They only agreed when the UK A-G provided a legal opinion declaring the war legal. This was a 180 degree turn on the opinion he&#8217;d provided to parliament only a few days earlier! The UK foreign minister&#8217;s legal advisor subsequently <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0324-02.htm" rel="nofollow">resigned</a> in protest.</p>
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