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Morgan face-to-face: 62-38

That Roy Morgan release discussed in the previous post has now been supplemented with data from last weekend’s face-to-face poll, and it shows a hard-to-credit blowout in the Labor lead to a “record” 62-38, from 57.5-42.5 the previous week. The Coalition’s primary vote is down from 39 per cent to 34 per cent, while Labor’s is up from 49 per cent to 54.5 per cent. The sample size was 990 compared with 552 from the phone poll.

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  1. 501
    Derek Corbett
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    440 onimod

    Yes.

  2. 502
    John Hunt Is A Coward
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    Early tip re tomorrows ACN online poll – unchanged from 2 weeks ago

  3. 503
    onimod
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    493 Poss on Tingle
    I might have to read the AFR more often to reduce my stress levels

  4. 504
    middle man
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Samuel K. TY!

  5. 505
    nath
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    adam, you are the epitome of party discipline and loyalty. may you be rewarded with a slice of the country to rule like a god.

  6. 506
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Early tip re tomorrows ACN online poll - unchanged from 2 weeks ago

    Is that 55/45? ESJ’s reputation depends on it!

  7. 507
    Jon
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Glen

    I agree, it will be tight and Turnbull may well hold on – I read somewhere else here that the ‘real’ margin is about 4.5%, so looks in line with other NSW marginals. Makes for a fun night, regardless of which side of politics you support.

  8. 508
    paul k
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    #
    499
    Xamiam Says:
    November 9th, 2007 at 11:14 pm

    Econocrat can you confirm/refute that while Commonwealth share of total tax take has risen over the last decade its share of grants to states has fallen (somehow disentangling the shift to GST…)

    .
    .
    Total payments to the States has fallen from 7% of GDP to 5% of GDP under Howard.

  9. 509
    Glen
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    My take on AC.

    53-47 – i’m hoping for.

    54-46 – ill take but not happy with.

    55-45 or greater – SERENITY NOW!

  10. 510
    John Hunt Is A Coward
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    56/44

  11. 511
    Paisano
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    What seat is Bingle standing in?

  12. 512
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    I understand Bingle has been promised Barton in 2010 if she allows a certain party powerbroker to paw her.

  13. 513
    Al in Boothby
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    yay Adam @ 500….agree!!!!!!

    Speaking of aptitude of a candidate – Andrew Southcott would have to be one of the most useless & lazy candidates I have ever had the misfortune to meet. He is the one treating Boothby voters as idiots. I would much rather Nicole Cornes. If that what it takes to get rid of the Rodent et al. then so be it! Bigger & a more pragmatic agenda here people….

    Good night, can’t be bothered with all the vitriole on this blog.

  14. 514
    gary
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t Laura Tingle make her reputation in 93, when she was one of three Journos across the land to predict Labor’s win? One of the few really compelling analysists going around IMHO.

  15. 515
    Don Wigan
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if they followed with the question of whether Australia was “headed in the right direction”.

    They’d probably get about 80-20 “Yes” response on these figures.

  16. 516
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    And Edward has been promised Bradfield if he agrees to be s*d*mised once a week by Alan J*nes.

  17. 517
    Glen
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Al, Andrew Southcott is not lazy he’s busy every night Parliament sits thinking about what dorothy dixer he can ask Peter Costello or the Prime Minister the next day. He’s a hard worker and the only Tory who can out dorothy dixer the lot of them. LOL!

  18. 518
    Marktwain
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Glen, is this ‘SERENITY NOW’ thing really working for you? ‘ALCOHOL NOW’ might be a bit more practical.

  19. 519
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    I understand Bingle has been promised Barton in 2010 if she allows a certain party powerbroker to paw her.

    Sorry, it’s been set aside for Robert McClelland Jr.

  20. 520
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Lol Adam,

    Surely your snarly mood of last week has dissipated by now?
    Your winning! Victory, spoils of office await, witchhunts etc etc

    Anyway accusing someone of being h*mos*xual is not even defamatory in NSW anymore

  21. 521
    Samuel K
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    You’re welcome Middle Man. I had it as my wallpaper as a bit of a joke cause my girlfriend thinks she’s a twit.

  22. 522
    Scorpio
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Sky late last night said the Galaxy poll for Wentworth was 51 ALP/49 LNO 2PP.

    It’s to be published in the Sunday Tele.

  23. 523
    Glen
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Marktwain, i hope it does work on election night because if things don’t go well for the Tories it will be ‘Serenity Now, Insanity Later’.

    Sure alcohol will play a role, maybe watching the 2004 coverage afterward if the 2007 coverage doesn’t go my way or maybe watching ‘Downfall’ perhaps all could be watched.

  24. 524
    Al in Boothby
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Glen @ 517

    - that gave me a chuckle…..LOL

    gotta log off now

  25. 525
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Voting for howard doesnt disqualify her Adam, it just makes it harder to take her seriously as having a coherent political perspective. If people buy her going to parliament cos she was “blind and can now see” then so be it – an idiots vote is worth the same as any other.

  26. 526
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Glen I spent three years on and off in Canberra and I saw Southcott ask about four questions in that time. He’s not only a log he’s a lazy log. In fact most of the SA backbench are logs. Secker is invisible, Wakelin hardly says a word, Draper is worse than useless. Richardson and Fawcett at least try, but they have always known they were oncers. We only have to put up with the log Sawford, but he’s retiring.

  27. 527
    VoterBoy of Over the Water
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Ed @ 520. I don’t think Adam was accusing you of being h*m*s*x*al. More of a passing phase during the Liberal Party preselection process, which is rather like prison behaviour.

    And I doubt anyone would cross the floor after being mounted by Alan Jones.

  28. 528
    turfmeister
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    So Glen is JWH up for the atomic wedgie come Nov 24?

  29. 529
    Xamiam
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Paul K (@ 508) – am I right in thinking this is in conjunction with a shift in the overall take from states to Commonwealth?

    I’d expect you to know :)

  30. 530
    Derek Corbett
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Marktwain

    Hang in. Your responsibility is to inform your readers – with facts. Report.

  31. 531
    Marktwain
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    520
    Edward StJohn

    Accusations are not defamatory, Ed, but agreeing to be s#d#mised by Big Al should definitely be on the statute books.

  32. 532
    Simon
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Wow, SOOO BELIEVABLE! What a waste of time.

  33. 533
    Glen
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    No but Rudd is trying to give ‘Unca Howie’ an atomic wedgie right now.

    The wedge (fear) campaign could work though, im just waiting till the ALP brings out an ad showing a lovely neighbourhood and then pans out till you see a nuclear power station in the background and then something like is this what you want or something grrr the wedge is powerful but let’s hope they dont go for a fear campaign after all Kevie said they wouldn’t.

  34. 534
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Are you saying Voterboy, that a heteros*xual enclosed with other heteros*xuals will practice homose*xuality?

    I understand in fact that one candidate mentioned in the threads coming from the same state as an alleged homos*xual minister got preselection for the ALP due to her se*ual escapades with a “powerful” state minister in that State?

  35. 535
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    There are no rules about what is defamatory: anything can be defamatory if a lawyer can persuade a jury that it is. You try writing a letter to the SMH saying “Alan J*nes has sex with men in public toilets” and see how far you get.

    PS I’m in an excellent mood thanks. I love the smell of napalm in the morning, politically speaking.

  36. 536
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Tell you what, when this election is done and dusted and Howard is dispensed to the dustbin of Labor interpreted History, the Liberal campaign performance will be documented through a great new series called “The funniest Home Politicians”.

  37. 537
    steve
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    533 Where is the Liberals Nuclear power policy Glen? Why not release it now? Who is going to get a nuclear power plant in their back yard apart from Bribie Island?

  38. 538
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Not true Adam,

    It is no longer defamatory in NSW to call someone a {insert descriptor) {insert simile for homos*xual].

    It kind of makes sense if we have formal equality (apart from the 57 laws or whatever) and we have decriminalised the love that dare not speak its name it makes sense that you cant defame someone by accusing them of being a practioner?

    Good to see you are chipper Adam, are you going to get a job in Canberra?

  39. 539
    nath
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    I would’ve thought that having a cack at AJ was more likely than the other way round, but who knows.

  40. 540
    nath
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    having a crack, that should read

  41. 541
    VoterBoy of Over the Water
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    534 Ed. If I were trapped in a Liberal Party preselection meeting, I’d happily practice homos*uality to relieve the goddamn boredom and sheer horror (on the proviso my unnatural lusts could be sated by someone entirely unrelated to the event – a janitor, perhaps).

  42. 542
    Glen
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    They don’t have a policy on nuclear, ‘Unca Howie’ likes nuclear that’s all.

    Steve there could be 25 in the future so we all could be so lucky!

  43. 543
    middle man
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    Labor have slowly started introducing the Nuke talk. At the time Howard brought up Nukes I thought it was the start of the end… seems it was the case.

  44. 544
    nath
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    fair enough voterboy, but I would suggest that you were a swinging voter

  45. 545
    VoterBoy of Over the Water
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    544. Nath – Yes, but I dress on the left.

  46. 546
    Marktwain
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    Let you in on a secret, Glen. When I get drunk and despondent, I like to watch the 1993 True Believers speech. I seem to have watched it again and again and again and …

  47. 547
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    Can I ask you a personal question as a male heteros*xual Voter Boy over the Water?

  48. 548
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    I was thinking of the Paris embassy, actually, but I guess Gough has dibs on it. He’s 91 and the last time I saw him he was full of beans and bon mots.

  49. 549
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    They don’t have a policy on nuclear, ‘Unca Howie’ likes nuclear that’s all.

    That isn’t just it. if re-elected Howard is going to make it legal to start nuclear power companies in Australia, which is currently unlawful.

  50. 550
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Friday, November 9, 2007 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    ESJ,

    You are becoming a cranky, old losing troll. Where is the wit? Where is the insouciance.

    Ah, all gone because your side is losing the election.

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