That Roy Morgan release discussed in the previous post has now been supplemented with data from last weekend’s face-to-face poll, and it shows a hard-to-credit blowout in the Labor lead to a “record” 62-38, from 57.5-42.5 the previous week. The Coalition’s primary vote is down from 39 per cent to 34 per cent, while Labor’s is up from 49 per cent to 54.5 per cent. The sample size was 990 compared with 552 from the phone poll.
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Morgan face-to-face: 62-38
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Grog
A couple of blogger here earlier were talking about an ACN tommorrow…
Sean do you want to start the Ms Cornes debate again? Do you really want me to respond to your post. I will AT LENGTH. *GROWLS*
Glen. Finish uni. Travel. Raise a family.
Then talk about these subjects. Because all you’re doing is proving that you’re an ignorant school-boy debater, about subjects for which you know absolutely nothing.
Stay out of the hate game. You are too young, and too immature to really understand the very real feelings that people have for this subject. Chalk it up as a loss, and move on.
This proves how lame the Liberal party is – they have to pay people to hand out ‘How to Vote’ cards.
Let me guess, if your hand hurts at the end of the day you’ll get physio, then claim it as an income tax deduction.
Didn’t get the previous debate Jasmine but would take a lot of persuading….
I think Glen’s doing a good job. Good forbid that we’d all agree on everything.
Showson, that would be a WorkCover claim. Something that the unions won for the workers, so Glen wouldn’t make a claim as a matter of priciple.
Pi what did we talk about regarding not resorting to personal and defamatory attacks on people?
When you go through that rout in debating someone, you’ve lost the debate.
It’s sad that you have to sink to such methods when debating people ah well.
Pi don’t assume you know anything about my life because you don’t, so take your defamation elsewhere would you please.
Glen smacks of someone who has got most of his opinions from his parents..
“SATIRISTS from Lahore to Washington gave Pakistan’s embattled President Pervez Musharraf simple advice on how to deflect the US government’s criticism of his imposition of emergency rule – capture Osama bin Laden.” Perhaps the Rodent could go undercover in Afghanistan and save his sorry rotting carcass.
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Glen Says:
November 9th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Pi what did we talk about regarding not resorting to personal and defamatory attacks on people?When you go through that rout in debating someone, you’ve lost the debate.
It’s sad that you have to sink to such methods when debating people ah well. Pi don’t assume you know anything about my life because you don’t, so take your defamation elsewhere would you please.
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yaaaawwwwwnnnnnnn
Sean – perhaps. I suspect have too… although 15 years later my father is still left wing of me (then again, he’s left wing of bob brown).
Sean @ 298. I think you & others are too harsh on Nicole Cornes. I think she may not necessarily be the best candidate, but it wouldn’t be correct to say that she couldn’t aplty represent Boothby.
After all, a polished MP (e.g. Southcott, Pyne) can often be absolutely useless in serving his or her electorate & is onlly trying to climb the internal ladder of their party.
I would go as far as to say she is quite representative of the average Boothby voter – she’s just an average person, with normal concerns.
Its too easy to give her the bimbo tag & ignore the fact that she shares the concerns of most of us, & given that she probably has no ambitions to be a minister, would serve the electorate far better than a more ambitious MP.
ShowsOn you are starting a war of words here.
I said i don’t get paid for anything!
That includes handing out htvc’s on election day, i do it out of my own time and i enjoy doing it for free.
My position is quite simply this, that on all the evidence presented Ms Cornes is probably in the upper quartile in terms of qualities we want first time candidates to have. Not a top scholar like our Adam, probably not even a future Minister, but clearly and definitely in the top 25% of candidates in terms of what she brings to her campaign.
She has a public profile, she has a law degree, she has a weak labor pedigree. We have one of these media draftees in the labor party in WA, but without the law degree. We call him Premier. But he wasn’t a woman. Our premier did proper political journalism (and we know from the blog how GREATLY they are respected here) and appealed to our political class, whereas Ms Cornes has the nerve to have actually written stuff normal Australians read. The cheek.
So why is she constantly vilified, attacked and abused? I think you can guess my answer.
Is Glen a young university student?
Glen you can answer that
You know guys, you don’t have to respond to every comment by everyone.
315 – she’s become a target so she’ll keep being a target until the election is over. is that not the way the media works? it’s better than no porfile, perhaps???
poor ol’ george newhouse in wentworth – the local press here portrays him as a bit of a baffoon – and yet i suspect he is quite genuine
John Button, just been off dining with my wife, (incidently I am in big strife with her due to my time on this blog, she says she would be happier if I was looking at porn, to steal a phrase from TWW Poll Bludger is porn for us).
Any hoo your nom de plume is great and I am sure the real J. Button would be proud.
No Dazzamack i can tell you that i am not a university student.
William.. don’t spose we can have a separate thread for earnest scientific analysis, and another for religous bickering?
Fagin
Ok. Sent off a strongly worded e-mail to Mitchell. Called upon him to resign for stuffing up a national newspaper. Urged him to look up B in dictionary and find BALANCE. So be it …
Tampa is the reason why I started taking an interest in politics. Hansonism didn’t. We Chinese all over the world can ignore being racially villified. We keep our heads down and just work harder. But Tampa just made my blood boil.
Did anyone notice they cut the responces to Shanahan’s blog at 3:40 – that wouldn’t be around the same time The Age story broke?
Good Glen,
I am very glad that all these ppl here aren’t debating important issues with some misguided uni flake. As long as you have some life experience, you are a worthy opponent/enemy
So now you as well as Howard are trying to morph into Christian Metz.
No, what you had written implied that handing out How to Vote cards was the only thing you got paid for.
But I realise your writing is often only a loose approximation of what you actually mean.
re 312
Bob Brown isn’t left wing. He’s a centrist. He identifies the problems and solutions from a conservative point of view.
The reality will prove that much more radical solutions are required to ensure that the human species lasts more than another 200 years, maybe 100.
Candidate Nicole Cornes: she deserves support and encouragement. Running for office is not so easy. Defeating an incumbent is always tough. I’ve only seen her on tv once or twice and she is clearly not experienced. But she’s having a go, which is certainly more than I’m doing. She is an easy target, maybe, but she will learn and I’m sure will make a contribution if she gets over the line.
Stan S
Cheers mate. Lady Button feels the same way as your wife…..but she draws the line with porn. She thinks it is a tad inappropriate.
198,
Thanks much for posting that Lefty
:):) Keating is, was and always will be the best and as I seldom read the SMH and when I do, only online; would otherwise have missed that 
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MarkTwain:
I’ll happily raise the white flag to you in a debate about the worth of The Australian’s political commentary.
Well can’t ask for more than that of you Ms Twain as the GG has always been the major grist for my mill. I’ll also wave a white hankie that not ALL journos are as bad as the GG, Mega excepted from that critique of course. As we have now met half way can we agree to a truce then
If he was as left-wing biased as he is right-wing, I doubt I’d hear a peep out of many here.
Umm, yes you would, I don’t fancy loonies of either persuasion. I am not brain dead so prefer journos to do their jobs, report the facts of the story, so I can form my own opinion. When it comes to newspapers, I won’t pay for journos opinions, I will pay for the facts behind the story.
Jasmine, I really hate having to repeat myself but she DOES NOT HAVE A LAW DEGREE. She’s still studying for one and I’m guessing if she gets elected she never will get one.
I am voting for Nicole…I want to get rid of Howard and his morally bankrupt government…simple as that and I know alot of people (men and women) in Boothby who think the same. Nicole Cornes is probably ignoring the media cause they have crucified her. The media pack had a field day on a new candidate, and because that new candidate already had a profile, and is a woman they went for the jugular and subjected her to a level of scrutiny that other new candidates have not had to face. Andrew Southcott is useless and lazy, i would much rather Nicole.
And a thread for my Keating V Hewson on Lateline petition?
http://www.petitiononline.com/lateline/petition.html
I could bribe you with a $20 donation.
Correct and that’s why Howard is going down. Only two more weeks and this government will be history and it’s views irrelevant.
Oi Sean, lay off Nicole. She’s alright.
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Dazzamack from Perth Says:
November 9th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
Is Glen a young university student?
he is the man from crosby/textor, dazzamack: the devil-in-cyberdrag
I know you’ll hate me for posting this, oh well what the hay you hate me anyway so meh!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119456012891887075.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Wall Street Journal – ‘Home Truths’
“Prime Minister John Howard finds himself with an unusual problem: His management of Australia’s economy has, by some lights, been too successful. GDP growth is strong, unemployment is at historic lows, and commodity exports are booming. Most other politicians facing a tough re-election fight would consider that good news.”
“Mr. Rudd has already offered voters a plan to subsidize localities to reduce zoning red tape and build more infrastructure such as sewers and water mains. He’d also offer tax-advantaged savings plans to first-time home buyers saving up for down payments. Neither idea is good — one would see the federal government, and thus homeowning taxpayers, subsidizing local inefficiency rather than simply eliminating it, while the other would serve mainly to prop up house prices by indirectly subsidizing higher down payments. But Mr. Howard hasn’t presented an alternative of his own.”
Sounds like its from Dennis himself don’t it?
Glen,
Que jumpers are part of the winter clothing range at this shop http://www.cue.com.au/
Cue Jumpers are available at reduced prices during the end of winter sale. Of course, that’s if you’re into women’s fashions.
The boat people who arrive on Australia’s shores, are refugees under the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees. For more details, visit http://www.unhcr.org/publ.html It is 56 pages of informative reading. Enjoy!
OK diogenes I read differently but I’ll take your word for it. So how short of her law degree is she?
LOL – are those labor’s policies?
# 308 Glen Says: November 9th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
For a university student Tim, you seem strangely void of understanding of the word ‘defamation’. But in the grand scheme of things, your mock offense is kind of touching, but really kind of pathetic.
Because really, you’re just a student liberal playing debate, about subjects for which people have seen their children and family die horrible deaths because of the demonization that is perpetuated by the people you support. Make no mistake about it boyo… I’ve said it to the face of many people, exactly what I’m telling you now, and I’d say it to anyones face that perpetuated your very immature and ignorant beliefs.
If you can’t handle being identified with the people that do these horrible things to human beings, you should stop talking about the subject.
Diogenes @ 332
SO WHAT?
For South Australians:
There is a “strong chance” that Rudd will be at Thorndon park tomorrow between 9:30 – 10:30.
As I sip red wine and eat penne cabonara, cooked in my inner-city slum kitchen (not one of Latham’s beloved McMansions), I have been thinking about Glen.
I am on record as being strongly in favour of people like Glen and ESJ participating in this blog, and do feel that they are capable of intelligent political analysis, even if I don’t agree with all their views.
Those who criticise Glen for being young, or a student, or whatever (I don’t know who he is, and it doesn’t really matter), need to realise that most people who blog are, in fact, young. I was young once too, and had views that differ from those that I had today. But when I was young, I had passion about politics, and was convinced my views were right….and I’m sure that applies to John Howard, Kevin Rudd and just about everyone who’s in politics now.
The point I’m getting to is that I’m intrigued about why there aren’t more Glens and ESJs on this site. I also note that most comments on most blogs around town are more pro-Labor than pro-Liberal.
The conclusion I’ve come to is that there aren’t all that many young people who are going to vote Liberal at this election. And if they don’t, Labor will win easily, no matter how many billion dollars are being given to pensioners.
And don’t get me wrong – I’m much closer to being a pensioner than a uni student, so I’m all for pork for fossils.
Pi, happy to shout you a coffee any day
After today’s extraordinary events, Morgan’s numbers and Howard’s shopping centre misadventure, we now know why that woman collapsed:
She fainted after seeing a dead Rodent walking!
The Wall Street Journal …another news ltd scandal sheet…i imagine the right wing of the republican party would not need much encouragement to support the grump…
this thread is why pollbludger is good for one’s sanity.
sometimes the inanity of the posts here between rival political party staffers gets a little tedious, but amongst this thread are some terrific posts that make being hooked on this site worthwhile.
thx guys and gals for your input.
who needs the msm.
Just saw one of the ‘tough on crime’ ads. Have the Libs gone mad? Do they think this stuff will move voters? How out of touch are these people?
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