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Bennelong and Herbert “polls”

Talk of a Bennelong poll from the Daily Telegraph prompted much excited chatter yesterday, but it turns out to be a semi-qualitative “study” with a sample of 200. John Howard has 87 backers against 86 for Maxine McKew, with “only one in five swinging or first-time voters” backing Howard. The Townsville Bulletin brings us a poll of 209 respondents in Herbert, conducted by consultants AEC Group. It shows Labor’s candidate George Colbran and Liberal incumbent Peter Lindsay each on 41 per cent of the primary vote, with Colbran leading 53-47 on two-party preferred – a swing of 9 per cent. A similar poll published in early September produced the same result.

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  1. 601
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Overington just wants Turnbull to survive and be Pm at the expense of howard and costello (and Rudd)…

    She’s liberal lite, but canvassing a politician in that way is beyond the pale, she should be slapped on the wrist with a wet tram ticket,

    then taken out and shot.

  2. 602
    chris
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    anyone keen to predict how many by elections there might be next year?

  3. 603
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    That Willis Bimbo on Private Schools must have been conned by the blatant electioneering by Private Schools via Newsletters at the last election.

  4. 604
    Evan
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    I see the Ecuyer story got a run on Lateline too.

    I can’t believe the knob polishing going on at the GG for Malcolm. It’s like something out of that film Clerks.

    I keep looking about, thinking Jay and Silent Bob are gonna turn-up and ask for a bit of action too.

    Poor Caroline. She’s gonna end-up with a very sore jaw at this rate.

  5. 605
    Grog
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    600 – health, climate change, EDUCATION, more housing. World peace. The Beatles reunion; a lost work by James Joyce; the finding of a decent cricket team for Australia to play… it’ll be all good.

  6. 606
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Albrechtsen is completely unfit to hold any office or be a representative for any ,post in public life. She is an appalling, despicable human being.

  7. 607
    blindoptimist
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    597
    Antonio Says:
    November 12th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
    The point about Albrectson, which made the Media Watch story very significant, is that she’s on the ABC Board.
    ….
    The fortunate thing is no-one really gives a damn who she is, what she says or where she’s from. She’s a flea on the lumbering backside of public opinion who will be returned to her former obscurity in the fullness of time.

  8. 608
    Glen
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    StanS the irony is that despite Howard having better policies on education and housing than Rudd as shown today, he will merely me-too the best bits of them on wednesday. Either that or with the press on his side, like the ABC on lateline tonight, he’ll merely get the media bashing Howie on being an irresponsible big spender.

    It’s sad that the party with vision and with good policies on education and housing is so far behind in the polls. Well you get what you vote for i guess and we’ll soon find out who that side is on the 24th.

    So long…for now.

  9. 609
    middle man
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    grog, i especially like the last one!

  10. 610
    Antonio
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    #597 2nd last paragraph should read “absolutely nothing”. I left nothing out, if you know what I mean.

  11. 611
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    delusional

  12. 612
    Charlie
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    If we take democracy seriously in this country, Overington’s jail-bound.

  13. 613
    Grog
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    where did Rudd say anything about me-tooing? How can you me-too on policy that is already me-too (geez this election is getting downright stupid)

  14. 614
    blindoptimist
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    aufwiedersehen, putschkin

  15. 615
    Matt
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Glen, but aren’t Howard’s education and housing policies just a “me-too” of Rudd’s earlier announcements (with maybe a bit extra added or done differently)?

  16. 616
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    612
    Charlie Says:
    November 12th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
    “If we take democracy seriously in this country, Overington’s jail-bound.”

    Wow – Spoken like a graduate of the Crikey Whitey school of Stalinism.

  17. 617
    Grog
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Yeah Janet is an ABC board member, so what. Adams works for the ABC.

    It’s only when Janet A uses the “I’m a journalist” defence that I think she really slips.

  18. 618
    will
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Glen…….Howard is a loser! Why can’t you accept that fact? Gee, from what I have read over the past week, you are a glutton for punishment.

  19. 619
    Howard Hater
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    I suspect Rudd will annnounce big initiatives in health, education(preschool, public schools and unis), climate change and perhaps family tax benefits?
    I wonder if Gough will make it to the Labor launch on Wednesday?
    And despite the almost certain cheerleading from the GG tomorrow, the general reaction in the media so far seems to be one of boredom.

  20. 620
    Howard Hater
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Glen, I admire you for your persistant support of your side of politics.
    You’re an intelligent guy, I wish you’d see the light and join the rest of us.

  21. 621
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    The fortunate thing is no-one really gives a damn who she is, what she says or where she’s from. She’s a flea on the lumbering backside of public opinion who will be returned to her former obscurity in the fullness of time.

    Hopefully Rudd fires here from the ABC board, and Pearson from the SBS board.

  22. 622
    Triffid
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    The constant reference to “me too-ism” on this site & the media is getting out of hand. I’m not sure what others think, but I hate it when people swallow this kind of crap from the media.

    I think this cartoon link from the Mumble site says it all:

    http://www.nicholsoncartoons.com.au/cartoon_5694.html

  23. 623
    Grog
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Jail bound is a bit over the top don’t to you think??? Afterall we are all allowed to email any candidate and say we think they should put their preferences for a certain party (or complain if they preference a party we don’t like).

    And if we’re not allowed to do this, why the hell not??

  24. 624
    Glen
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Will why can’t you grow up we don’t and should never have to come here to be personally insulted by people we can question and debate their beliefs but don’t come here and spread your hate it is not welcome, and i for one dislike it.

    “Glen, but aren’t Howard’s education and housing policies just a “me-too” of Rudd’s earlier announcements (with maybe a bit extra added or done differently)?”

    Matt unlike Labor’s 91% copy of our tax plan our education and housing plans are greatly different than the ALP’s despite what Kevin wants the left to think.

    Education – 6.2b to 2.3b for starters, it is a big reform ‘we don’t need a revolution in education we need to give a helping hand’ (Vaile).
    – for all families not just on Family Tax Benefit A
    – for all schools kinder, primary secondary and not just government but private and independent schools
    – money can be used for school fees to assist parents in sending their children to private schools if they so wish.

    Housing – parents can contribute $$ without CGT to assisting their children to buy homes

    These policies have not been copied and on housing especially there is only really one way to tackle it with tax offsets, it’s how you structure them that show how different yours is.

    Regardless of how the polls go and the result comes in on Antony’s computer, Howard & co did a good job today considering how much was riding on it. Still it may not be enough, we’ll have to wait and see.

    Good night and pleasant dreams.

  25. 625
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    WOW surprise surprise! Kevin Andrews the most incompetent minister of all time screws up another immigration issue, and has opened up Australian tax payers to possibly the biggest immigration compensation pay out in the history.

    The sooner that moron leaves parliament the better.

  26. 626
    middle man
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    calling everything a “me too” is just laziness by journo’s who cant articulate the obvious differences that exist.

  27. 627
    Burgey
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    Overington’s blog has something about a “shameful mindset letting kids die”. I just posted this (wonder if it will get on?):

    “What about “Shameful hack journo tries to influence marginal seat outcome by promising independent candidate a good run if she preferences the Libs?”.

    Poor flower. Is this the kind of transparency and impartiality you and your publication bring to political journalism? For God’s sake, hand back the media award, you aren’t worthy of it.

    Dire.”

    Don’t think I’ll be published, to be honest.

  28. 628
    steve
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    Glen, where are the other 24 nuclear power stations beside the Bribie Island plant going to be built?

  29. 629
    Xamiam
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    606/8 I think Latham actually got it right on Albrechtson – his one success:

    Skanky ho for the LP

  30. 630
    John Hunt Is A Coward
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Are there still any Labor voters subscribing to that Right wing rag The Australian?
    If there are, they should get OVER IT after the OVERINGTONGATE.
    She is an abolute disgrace in the same vein as Shennanigan, Piers et al.

    I remember when Piers Ackermann was the editor of the The Sun in the early 90’s in Melbourne. He ran a personalised vendetta against Premier Joan Kirner (Polka Dot) calling into question the legitimacy of her democratically elected Govt.
    Kirner in turn called for all Labor voters to boycott the paper. Piers got called in by the Big Boss Murdoch to receive some counselling. The effect of this brought back some sanity and civility. Business is the only language which cuts through with the MSM.

    “To sell dog food ads or not to sell dog food ads. That it’s the question”

  31. 631
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Education - 6.2b to 2.3b for starters, it is a big reform ‘we don’t need a revolution in education we need to give a helping hand’ (Vaile).

    How is this not middle class welfare? How is this not a dramatic expansion of the welfare state?

    This is a socialist policy that if you had any principle would oppose.

    You are a supporter of the PRIVATE sector Glen, NOT the GOVERNMENT sector.

  32. 632
    jasmine_Anadyr
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    nothing

    surely Kevin will be feel good boy

  33. 633
    HarryH
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    can someone please explain why no Lib was on either 7.30 report or Lateline to spruik their launch?

  34. 634
    Charlie
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Grog, read section 326 of the Commonwealth Electoral Act. If Overington really did send that e-mail, then she’s guilty of attempted bribery of an election candidate. Call me an idealist, but I’d like to think that we consider that to be a big deal.

  35. 635
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    can someone please explain why no Lib was on either 7.30 report or Lateline to spruik their launch?

    They all had to get back to campaigning in their marginal seats.

  36. 636
    Xamiam
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    633 spruik what?

  37. 637
    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    I think we’ve missed something important with Overingtongate. I don’t think the Wentworth voters are going to be very happy at all. In fact, the silly pox-ridden cow may have terminated Turnbull’s career. Maybe there is a God after all!

  38. 638
    will
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    Glen, show me where I was showing hatred? I have been following this blog site for over a week and I have seen your posts demolished quite effectively. Many posts have told you that Howard was a loser, and I just pointed this out to you, as well as pointing out that you are getting a pasting from all sides, and you have not accused them of spreading hatred.
    Don’t judge me, you do not have that right.

  39. 639
    middle man
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    howard said the welfare to opportunity line about 20 seconds before announcing more welfare! he is truly amazing!!!!!!!

  40. 640
    steve
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    635 Steady up Showson the Libs are still to sell the budget yet. They had a policy launch and forgot to bring their nuclear power policy, they are probably out searching for it.

  41. 641
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Delusional

    the problem is not giving everyone who goes to school a taxt cut, the problem is the the billions taken out of the education system in 11 years of wilful incompetence by a churlish antiintellectual whose only attribute is rat cunning.

    Being able to pay for an education is one thing, having to pay for a third rate education and skills system is another thing.

    Good night Glen, I dont think youll ever wake up.

  42. 642
    xulon
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    633

    can someone please explain why no Lib was on either 7.30 report or Lateline to spruik their launch?

    The ABC are running an edited version of the launch at 7:30pm tomorrow. Presumably there will be much of the aforementioned spruiking on The 8.00 Report immediately afterwards.

  43. 643
    Howard Hater
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    The Rodent must be out saving the orang-utangs for that 10 year old boy.
    I felt a little sorry for that kid, he’s been shamelessly used for political gain: akin to child abuse.

  44. 644
    HarryH
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Diogenes i agree.

    Wentworth people probably actually buy the Oz. i don’t think they’ll be happy with Overington trying to pinch their seat.

    may work ever so slightly against Moneybags.

    if he loses by a couple hundred votes we can have a good ol laugh at Overington for *years to come

    *because you just know Rupe won’t sack her.

  45. 645
    Diogenes
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    634 Charlie- I’m an idealist as well and I agree with you. A legal opinion or a formal complaint to the AEC is in order. The email was clearly an inducement to allocate preferences in exchange for a front page story. It just might have legs. Not sure jail time but serious problem for job prospects.

  46. 646
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    There was nothign to spruik, the launch was a non event, there was the budget the fairness test then the tax cut, now the final launch, result
    nothing nothing nothing nothing.

    Goodbye rodent.

  47. 647
    Will From Kooyong
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    Howard was saying he wanted to do away with the ‘welfare state’ but launches his campaign with his biggest ever launch and it’s about $10b of middle-class welfare. Shame Howard, Shame!

  48. 648
    onimod
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Gerr
    Good education is cultural.
    Money doesn’t buy culture, no matter how much you’ve got.
    JWH, Bishop et al. will never understand

  49. 649
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    @643

    It looked like a paedophile priming video

  50. 650
    Matt
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    So everyone….when is the next poll out? Don’t tell me I have to wait until Friday to get my fix!

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