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Bennelong and Herbert “polls”

Talk of a Bennelong poll from the Daily Telegraph prompted much excited chatter yesterday, but it turns out to be a semi-qualitative “study” with a sample of 200. John Howard has 87 backers against 86 for Maxine McKew, with “only one in five swinging or first-time voters” backing Howard. The Townsville Bulletin brings us a poll of 209 respondents in Herbert, conducted by consultants AEC Group. It shows Labor’s candidate George Colbran and Liberal incumbent Peter Lindsay each on 41 per cent of the primary vote, with Colbran leading 53-47 on two-party preferred – a swing of 9 per cent. A similar poll published in early September produced the same result.

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  1. 151
    Pritam
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    OT but curious – I just looked up Antony Green’s election site to check on the senate lists. Faulkner’s name does not appear on any of the lists. What does this mean?

  2. 152
    Antonio
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    I think Malcolm Fraser now lives on the Mornington Peninsula, SW of Melb. About 60-90m minutes out of Melbourne. That would probably be in the electorate of Flinders.

    He was formerly the member for Wannon, in south-west Victoria, and the family property is Nareen, near Hamilton.

  3. 153
    Mad Professor
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Laborvoter @ 135

    Because we may have varying opinions of whether there is or is not a shift in the ADF vote does not make my opinion a ‘crock’. Your apparent lack of respect for divergent opinions reflects behaviour more often associated with our friends on the conservative side of politics. However, given your vast experience of the ADF I will defer to your opinion wrt Herbert. Best.

  4. 154
    Antonio
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Mornington Pensinsula is SE of Melbourne. It’s where Harold Holt went for the big swim.

  5. 155
    davidoff
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    ABC live streaming
    http://abc.net.au/streaming/networktv.asx

  6. 156
    Bronwyn
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Uh oh here we go, Costello’s on.

  7. 157
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Especially in Coorparoo!

  8. 158
    Julie
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Re 142,

    I have just had a good look at the AEC electorate map and based upon the information I remember, I would say Calwell or Lalor would be the electorate as they are the electorates to the NW once you leave the metropolitan area.

  9. 159
    Pritam
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Oops! I looked up Victoria. He’s on the NSW list. He struck me as a Victorian all these years, not a NSW Right fug.

  10. 160
    Bronwyn
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    I see the “GO FOR GROWTH” slogan is back in favour.

  11. 161
    Antonio
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    #151 Presumably Faulker is not up for re-election this term. Senate terms are twice the HOR terms, so he’ll be on the ballot paper at the next federal election (presuming he stands again).

  12. 162
    Michael
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Julie – it’s most endearing :-)

  13. 163
    Tory Crimes
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Boring!!!!!

  14. 164
    Antonio
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    #159 Pritam, you’ve answered your own question. Half the Senate is elected each election. That’s why there are still deomcrats in teh Senate, even though they got bugegrall votes last election.

  15. 165
    Bronwyn
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    163 – what’s boring? People who leave one-word comments with excessive exclamation marks?

  16. 166
    Antonio
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    should read “buggerall” of course. I’m typing too fast. Can’t keep up with this modern world.

  17. 167
    Bronwyn
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    163 – or is Costello boring? Because I agree.

  18. 168
    davidoff
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Am I seeing things or do a bunch of people in the audience have life-jackets on?

  19. 169
    ShowsOn
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    I’ll summarise the themes of Costello’s speech:

    1) Fear
    2) Uncertainty
    3) Doubt

  20. 170
    Tory Crimes
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    the Tories are boring.

  21. 171
    LaborVoter
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Was that GOUGH in the Audience??! WTF?!

  22. 172
    John Rocket
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Okay, finally got my free $100 bet credited – it must’ve been on some sort of manual approval, and duly put it on Maxine. There’s something funny going on with the Howard odds, given every available indicator, Maxine and John should be nearly equal… would it be possible to use the tax deductible political donations to put bets on? who regulates that?

    Anyway, also put my $30 on that fellow from Herbert, the McDonalds man! He’s a good chance, regional towns love this sorta fella!

  23. 173
    Bronwyn
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    168 davidoff – lifejackets or self-administering poison capsules?

  24. 174
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    This seems to be a low passion election and this might assist Coalition MPs who are popular locally (or who face weaker Labor candidates) holding on, Hinkler & Boothby perhaps. But for every marginal the Coalition holds there will be one above the swing that goes.

  25. 175
    Julie
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    169,

    typical of Costello and the Libs … fear, fear, fear; they have only a one track message ;-) ….. has vindicated my decision to avoid the tv this afternoon. cricket is one wicket away from victory anyways, so am following on the cric info score window ;-)

  26. 176
    ShowsOn
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Costello’s speech would do a lot for the blue rinse lamington and scone makers that form the base of the Liberal Party, but I have no idea what it has to do with winning a federal election.

  27. 177
    Tory Crimes
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    gee that was a thigh slapper Costello-’economic conservatives under the beds’.LMAO-Not

  28. 178
    Noocat
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Costello got the positive stuff out of the way early, and now he’s just ramping up all the fear. It’s horrendous!

  29. 179
    passthepopcorn
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    he’s not a great orator, is he? i’m nodding off. maybe he’s trying to hypnotise us.

  30. 180
    chris
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    smirky thinks he’s doing stand up comedy. well he is a joke after all.

  31. 181
    Bronwyn
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    This is so wrong. Costello is so boring he’s making me do some work.

  32. 182
    davidoff
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Not really exciting stuff …

  33. 183
    John Hunt Is At A Funeral
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    The faces and expressions of guests and speakers are more of those at a funeral or wake than a campaign launch. Says it all really doesn’t it?

  34. 184
    bird
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    DLP:

    The Greens are are not a lunatic far left fringe – they are ideologically now like of the social democratic left – its just that what is radical is orthodox and both Labor and LIberal are of the right. The paradims have moved so much further to the Right, and if you have largely stayed the same….
    You may want to go and see http://www.politicalcompass.org ………see Aust election 2007….making the Greens policies out to be extreme to dismiss them when what’s Radical Right is orthodox is not helpful…

  35. 185
    Tom
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    If Ruddy won’t visit Bennelong what is to stop the soon-to-be deputy PM along with some of the other great ladies on the Labor front bench, Tanya Plibersek, Penny Wong, Nicola Roxon blitzing Bennelong? All are intelligent and articulate ladies and certainly do not look like “union bosses” :)

  36. 186
    middle man
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    listening on radio… Costello sounds pompous! Living in the past. Yesterday’s news mate, its yesterdays news.

    “Your vote will have consequences….” nice fear work.

  37. 187
    Jyrki
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    I sure hope they mention their Orangutan scheme! I hear the Orangutan vote will decide the election this year!

  38. 188
    ShowsOn
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Hahhahah Costello just said he was part of a government “that abolished supperannuation for over 60s”. I think he meant they abolished TAX on supperannuation for over 60s.

  39. 189
    Noocat
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    It’s actually quite bizarre. Here is Costello talking to the Liberal faithful, doing his very best to maintain all the delusions over economic management and unions. The libs cheer it like fanatics… and there you have it: the parallel universe. They live in la-la land… this is the new era of the LOONY right.

  40. 190
    Tory Crimes
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    This Tory hubris might play out well infront of the adoring minions but Im not sure about voter land. Yes it was the reforms of yesterday that have got us where we are-the Hawke/Keating reforms you lucky jammy Tories.

  41. 191
    LaborVoter
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Why won’t someone challenge Costello on the 70% union bosses claim??

    It’s been proven to be BS!

  42. 192
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    @132

    The government has zero net debt. It otherwise has some $50+ Billion of debt on its books.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20070509-Cossies-debt-free-furphy.html

  43. 193
    Michael
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Bird – true – but they’re not quite in the tradition of the liberal democrats in the UK. Perhaps we need a party like that here.

  44. 194
    middle man
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    he really yells when he wants to make a point.so annoying.

  45. 195
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Can some one put a Hitler mo & swastika to complete the picture!

  46. 196
    centaur_007
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    And here come the clowns – Mr mark Vaile

  47. 197
    RGee
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    I’m listening to the campaign launch on News Radio and this is completely bizarre! So, weird!

  48. 198
    Bronwyn
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Who IS this dickhead compere?! He’s bloody irritating! (I better turn it off when the rodent comes on…)

  49. 199
    Julie
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    99.2 Clark to Muralitharan, OUT, all over! Australia win by an innings and 40 runs! Murali backs away to a yorker-length delivery on the stumps, misses his shot, and the stumps are splayed!

    M Muralitharan b Clark 4 (8b 0×4 0×6) SR: 50.00

  50. 200
    Jyrki
    Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    I sure hope they bring out Alexander Downer! He’s a good vote-buyer, right? ;) *cough*

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