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Morgan: 56.5-43.5

Today’s Morgan poll, a face-to-face survey of 890 voters taken on the weekend, has Labor leading 56.5-43.5 compared with the just slightly implausible 62-38 in the equivalent poll a week earlier. Labor leads 48 per cent to 39 per cent on the primary vote.

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  1. 201
    Shaun
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    I think it was private Taffy (the undertaker) who used to say “we’re doomed I tell you, doooooooomed”. Corporal Jones would run around waving his arms saying “don’t panic! don’t panic! Mr Mainwaring”, or my favorite ,whilst holding his bayonet “they don’t like it up ‘em!”.
    This is could be the state of the Liberal party election strategy:-0

  2. 202
    Crikey Whitey
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Nicole performed very well. Brought Amanda some gifts, and ‘flakes’ for her kids. Including a Kevin 07 shirt for Amanda.

    Got in her repudiation of ‘working families never been better off’.

    Referred to her links to the community. Her law degree, social justice aspects.

    Praised Kev.

    Her values, the representation of community as a Parliamentarian.

    Amanda refers to the Cornes bank balance, suggests Nicole not in touch with the ‘common man’. Gracefully refers to her childhood, pensioner parent, worked in an aged care home at age 14, as volunteer at first and then paid. Talked of tasks she undertook. Showering, dressing, toilet cleaning. Left school at 15.

    Refers to her small business career. Law degree. The difficulty of her first interview. With her small children in the room.

    Emphasises Labor values, talks of Gough Whitlam’s achievements.

    Labor Party is about rights for working families.

    Sticks up for herself as not shielded. Fills in background on what actually happened with Julia at Marion yesterday, after the media had been earlier afforded every opportunity to pose questions, which they did not. Until, the opportunity grab outside, for the cameras. Julia was not ‘nursing’ her, or being her ‘Mum’ as Amanda put it. Julia fed up with media behaviour, by the sound of it.

    Answers callers qestions on policy. Childcare rebate and places. Dental scheme teenagers. Personally believes in voluntary student union membership.
    Childcare. Increasing rebate to 50%, places. Dental scheme teenagers. Medicare.

    (Has head around this stuff, for sure).

    Would take it as a great compliment to represent Boothby.

    Passionate, we need more women in Parliament..

    Applause from CW.

  3. 203
    Derek Corbett
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    ruawake – coonan lost the plot? More, please. Major gaffe?

  4. 204
    MicMac
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    118 Misty

    I agree – LTEP is entitled to his pessimism – have the rest of you not been in the country since ‘96? I know the polls were nothing like they are now, but some of us have learnt to be pessimistic. It’s the only way to handle defeat (if it happens). It also heightens the euphoria if we do win.

  5. 205
    Henry
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    She is a shrew. Just a shrew.
    Things have calmed down a little, not too much guffawing from Conroy when she answers. Very dry digital channels stuff now.
    Come on Steve, get fired up.

  6. 206
    shaboh
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    How would you like to wake up with Coonans looking at you.

  7. 207
    Kina
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    181
    Burgey Says:
    November 16th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
    Siev XI – Lebovic reckons about 20% say in exit polls they made up their mind either on the day or in the week before

    I think if you look at the Newspoll 2001 post election poll 29% said they made their mind up in the last week and told who they voted for. And after allowing for preferences I think it worked out to about 59/41 in favour of Labor for that election.

  8. 208
    ruawake
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    No gaffe – just shouting, ranting raving. Even Speers was getting peeved – he keeps telling her to shut up (quietly).

  9. 209
    Mathew cole
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Shaboh #206,

    Not one bit. She’s a horrid person, and a shrew.

  10. 210
    SIEV XI
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    thanks will and burgey, hopefully anty from aunty can add abit more

  11. 211
    Henry
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the update on Nicole Crikey.
    So she passed this mini test with flying colours by the sound of it?
    Any votes in it for her?
    From what i have seen/heard of her she seems like a nice lady. Has air of vulnerability and genuineness to her which I like and I think might resonate with the public.

  12. 212
    Mathew cole
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Coonan is claiming that ABC is well-funded by the Government….WTF?

  13. 213
    TofK
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Is Cornes out of her box again eh? We’ll have to nail it shut next time, just after a short jocular conversation ;)

  14. 214
    Henry
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Labor to have more communications announcements next week! Wow!
    More guffawing from Conroy as The Coonan interrupts!

  15. 215
    Mathew cole
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Gods, can she stop talking over him? She is SO rude……

  16. 216
    Kina
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Newspoll 2001 Post election – those who made their mind up in the last week

    26% made up their mind in the last week.
    24% ALP
    17% LNP
    45% Others
    the rest? not stated.

  17. 217
    Apu
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t Morgan show that Latham ALP was on 56 just in the last week of the last campaign?

  18. 218
    Verminator
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    With this Morgan Poll, I prefer to see the figures from the ‘Preferences distributedby how electors say they will vote’ which shows a 57-43 split rather than the ‘Preferences distributed by how electors voted at the 2004 election’ which shows a 56.5%-43.5% split.

    The major polls keep showing their figures as though the preferences are going to split as they did in 2004, when I believe that the preferences will split with another 0.50-0.75% added to the Labor TPP this time around.

    This one is all over. ‘Please welcome into the room, the new Prime Minister of Australia… Prime Minister Kevin Rudd’

  19. 219
    shaboh
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Without being offensive to women she is the stereotype woman you don’t wish to see in politics or even more as political leaders eg Bronnie Bishop.
    Julia Gillard is different in style. When I see her debating I don’t see her interrupting or talking over people. Classic example was when Abbott had his bad day when he was late at his debate etc…. He appeared on Lateline that night & was on a hiding to nothing with Julia. Even though he was an easy mark Julia listened & waited till he finished his sentence before talking. A class act. Coonans is just damn rude & is behaving like a aggressive male.

  20. 220
    Henry
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Conroy slam dunks her with the 16yr old kid who got around the $83M porn filter in 30 minutes!!
    “Oh but Stephen this should be above politics” she sniffs.

  21. 221
    TofK
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Coonan epitomises the typical liberal woman. head so far up in the air she doesnt realise she is walking off a cliff.

  22. 222
    Crikey Whitey
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Yes,Henry.

    Nicole came over as clear, honest, genuine, caring. Callers clearly liked her. She stuck up for herself very well. No fluster. Indicated that knowing policy inside out is not first and only, representation of electors is primary.

    Admitted to the learning curve, how Bob Hawke had offered her a bit of advice, that she was learning from mistakes.

    I’m sure she would appeal, in general and in person.

    I did meet her at the SA Press Club. Struck me as very nice, sincere.

  23. 223
    Henry
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Cue more laughter from Conroy as the shrew mangles another questions.
    Honestly she is a spud.

  24. 224
    shaboh
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Really though Speers is giving her a lot of leeway. Bias to the Libs????

  25. 225
    TofK
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Above politics?? Didnt they spend $21 million advertising the $83 million porn filter?

  26. 226
    Adam
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    LTEP, of course it’s possible for the Coalition to win the election – all they have to do is get enough votes. On that logic it’s also possible for the Democrats to win the election. But the question for supposedly well-informed election-watchers is not what is theoretically possible, but what is LIKELY. What is likelihood of the Coalition winning? They need a 5% swing in a week. What possible EVENTS or ISSUES could tip voter sentiment 5% in one week? Nothing that I can think of. If voter sentiment had been volatile all year, it might be arguable. But it hasn’t, it’s been very steady. All the objective evidence is that the voters made up their minds months ago, and that nothing in the campaign has budged them. Do you really think that another week of ranting about union bosses will suddenly do what six months of ranting about union bosses has failed to do?

  27. 227
    Crikey Whitey
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Have to get my bucket out and start watering. Sigh. So HOT!

  28. 228
    Sinic
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Conroy cleaned up Coonan with the VOIP question. I mean, as communication minister, surely she should be across the technical details of the network that she is planning to have the private sector deploy.

  29. 229
    ruawake
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Speers has to give Coonan some leeway – otherwise everyone would be rolling on the floor laughing at her. ;)

  30. 230
    Lefty E
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Yep, dont wrote off Cornes people. Looking unfamiliar with the machine politics, vulnerable, and generally anti-politician is hardly a bad look, especially for a woman with considerable middle aged bloke appeal and AFL connections.

  31. 231
    Henry
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Final statments – shrew first, Conroy is laughing his tits off in the background!

  32. 232
    John of Melbourne
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    I hope I don’t offend anybody.

    Here is a great site:

    http://thebulletinelection.ninemsn.com.au/whos_a_pretty_pollie_then_.htm

    I always thought Kate Ellis (Labor) was easy on the eyes but wow whee, Georgina Anderson (Libs)!

  33. 233
    shaboh
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    She just goes on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on

  34. 234
    Mathew cole
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    And now Coonan’s getting a free question from the “impartial” moderator.

    She’s using it to attack ALP’s broadband money. His response is to point out the funding levels and sources.

    Conroy’s question – a 16-year-old schoolboy managed to bypass the LP’s “filters” that have cost $86 million. Coonan has attacked the question, saying that it should be “above politics”, and finally answers that he was able to bypass the filter because he had admin functions on the computer. So she advises keeping all under-18s off admin access on family computers?

    Coonan’s Q2: Attacks ALP’s broadband, saying that it’s not giving access. Conroy’s response – the plan will give access to 98%, and Fed will create a plan to get access to other 2%.

    Conroy – OECD report stating high business communications costs. Does Coonan support cheaper business communications and if so, why does she support an internet plan that cannot deliver VoIP (OPEL)? Coonan avoided the question.

    Coonan’s final statement – attack’s ALP “inexperience”, “lack of detail”, “risk to trn-dollar economy”……booooooring. Apparently ALP wants to abolish digital Australia. Apparently, ALP State Govt’s are amassing debt (WTF? all in surplus), and attacks ALP’s economics (she should know better by know). Also off-topic.

    Conroy’s final – choice between past and future. Points out Coonan’s disparity between city/rural areas. Points out Coonan’s dodge of his VoIP question.

  35. 235
    ruawake
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Bet Sky News Poll gives it 60-40 to Cooonan :-P

  36. 236
    Al in Boothby
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    I’m voting for Nicole! go girl…meeting her tomorrow at a street corner meeting too & so are lots of my friends.

  37. 237
    shaboh
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    I went to a Sol (Telstra) seminar once & even he attacked Coonans lack of telecommunications technology. I remember him saying she doesn’t know when to shut up.

  38. 238
    Burgey
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    236 – Apologies for the gratuitous sexism, but Nicole is also pretty damn cute imo.

  39. 239
    Mathew cole
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Well, overall – Coonan’s pathetic, but then again we all knew that. Conroy appears to be out of her league as fair as grasp of detail is concerned, and he is also much better at speaking.

  40. 240
    Boll
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    #232 cheers John, an enjoyable 5 minutes there. Deeply offended nonetheless.

  41. 241
    Crikey Whitey
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Al in Boothby. What about taking her an edit of the thread?

    I may not make it, got a Greens thing. Yes, I know I’m voting Labor. HOR.

  42. 242
    John of Melbourne
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Yeah I’d have a crack at Nicole too :-)

  43. 243
    Derek Corbett
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Thanks all for the running comments … sounds as through Nicole gained some Brownie points and Coonan scared the horses …

  44. 244
    Sudoku Killer
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Coonan, Ruddock, Vaile, Howard – all you get is blah blah blah.
    Atleast with labor it’s new blah blah blah. quick I wanna vote for them…
    PS with regards to Nostradamus prediction #113 (LNP 61: ALP87: IND2), I have just channelled him and he offers his sincere apologies (unlike the LNP) for the “Barren” term used.

  45. 245
    passthepopcorn
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    JoM, i’d pretty well guarantee she’d find you singularly unattractive. wtf is all this c^&p?

  46. 246
    Crikey Whitey
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Once again.

    This is a political site!

    Find your own space or get into the shower, John of Melbourne.

    Out of site, out of mind.

  47. 247
    John of Melbourne
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    passthepopcorn she’d think I was adonis :-) Lol. No only kidding. I was just pasting a link which asks how’s Election 07 shaping up in the beauty stakes?

  48. 248
    Stephen T
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    It is not really the done thing to call idiots idiots so you intellectually challenged twits really need no spend no more than one minute at Oz Politics to get the real story. Have effectively shut up some equally verbose conservatives by directing them to this sight. Any analyst worth his salt would die laughing at the ridiculous notion of a comeback. In psychology it is called cognitive dissonance (look it up darlings) get over it, have a little cry and say welcome to a better and fairer Australia. Auditor General = Death Penalty. So long and thanks for all the fish.

  49. 249
    Al in Boothby
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Crikey whitey @ 241 – that’s a great idea – would I just cut and paste into a word doc? any other suggestions?

  50. 250
    BV
    Posted Friday, November 16, 2007 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Who wants to bet than Ackerman/Milne will have some “bombshell” revelation (dirt-unit) article this weekend???

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