Today’s Morgan poll, a face-to-face survey of 890 voters taken on the weekend, has Labor leading 56.5-43.5 compared with the just slightly implausible 62-38 in the equivalent poll a week earlier. Labor leads 48 per cent to 39 per cent on the primary vote.
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Morgan: 56.5-43.5
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Back to psephology (momentarily). Polling for Newspoll would be happening now.
Labor launch+Abbott’s mouth+Auditor General….any bets on the TPP for Labor? I actually reckon their primary will go above 50.
Crikey – as soon as I have finished my 2nd glass.
I know, the Libs just left the building. Not in Kansas anymore.
So let me get this straight: Abbott didn’t say what he clearly says, on film, for all to see.
You know what: piss off Team Rodent. We’ve had it with your braindead crap.
ABC PM:
Howard spinning madly over abbott’s workchoices mini-epic. Asked if he agreed with abbott’s comment that conditions had been removed, snapped: “He didn’t say that …” Some blah blah … then a transcript of what abbot said. Case closed. To put it delicately, it was not all that good.
[el rodente on the wireless saying “he [tony] did not say that” [ie that protections had been taken away].
parallel universe.
i need a drink.]
The camera LIED OK. We live in a post modernist world which the camera can’t record with ANY accuracy whatsoever.
[He is not an ALP supporter. Not with his logic. If you look up the term troll in Wiki it will explain. Via this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Fair, fair. He isn’t a troll, he is just a left wing pessimist.
Labor has one twice from opposition since 1945, even when it looks obvious they will win there are many who fear they will lose.
I even dreamt that the National Party won 1 seat in the senate in South Australia, that must mean something.
Chris 300
LTEP would have to be most depressed “Supporter” in the country.
The only other depressed people around here support a mob starting with L.
With these polls who can blame them…lol
Which reminds me of that PJK classic:
“Im not John Howard, Im a hedgehog”.
“Oh, look, he’s a hedgehog!”
Thank you Paul Keating, for everything.
yes, lefty E – the clip was played, and el rodente was asked to comment on why the mad monk said that protections had been taken away. el rodente said “he did not say that, he did not say that”.
actually, make mine a double.
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Tony was quite clear in his statement at the Warringah election debate. There were NO transcripts, and the question was asked by Hugh Zochling (ALP candidate), not a moderator. The moderator did not ask any questions, it was Tony and Hugh asking each other q’s, and the rest were mostly Liberal hacks making anti-Labor statements with question marks at the end. A hilarious event, rattus’s supporters became very ratty, to the crowds delight. I doubt there’ll be one next election
or mobile phones will be banned
Chris B
To be more precise, someone on here long ago identified LTEP as not just a troll, but a concern troll. Possibly the worst kind of troll.
The bad news is we’ve all fallen into its trap and continue to feed it the attention it seeks so badly…
Dinsdale. I reckon 49 is its max.
LTEP: admit it, you’re a Liberal troll masquerading as a Labor pessimist.
Let me guess, if Rudd is about to win a 20 seat majority on the evening of November 24, you’ll still be claiming Howard can win the election.
We’re trying to see four, John.
Holy crap. This is the campaign moment when tragedy became farce.
LTEP is probably Glen’s alter ego LOL
TofK, someone told me Amanda was a real animal. You better make it Bronwyn Bishop to make sure of it.
leave LTEP alone! i still get twinges of fear…
only 12 days to go now (oh, sorry john, 8 days).
Now Mark Vaille is on radio saying the auditor general was trying to alter the election and that the caretaker provisions might be extended to public servants.
What a f*cking joke. The sooner he gets on his skateboard the better.
No wonder they’ve politicise dthe public service so much. The remaining public servants who are independent ge treated like that when they tell it like it is.
Dire.
God are we still going on about if I’m a concern troll. Who would’ve thought the opinions of one person could cause so much discussion. Funnily enough I’ve never thought it worthy of discussing whether x person is a troll.
Then you can all gang up and feel great about yourselves. Well done.
But back to the question at hand. Someone asked whether a Morgan poll in the final week of the ‘04 election campaign had Latham at 56%. I don’t think so… I don’t think even close to 56%.
The Morgan situation in ‘04 was quite markedly different:
http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2004/3791/
“The L-NP are leading 52.5% (up 1% on last week’s telephone Morgan Poll); 47.5% ALP (down 1% in the week)”
That seems pretty close to what they finally achieved.
The weekend papers have got sooooo much material to work with….
The Libs won’t be able to get back on message until about Friday next week.
burgey, are you sure that’s what you heard vaile saying?!
make mine a triple.
Centre, we want people to stop getting the jollies out of pollbludger, not start a mass exodus!!! The former minister for caged hair is a little too far in my book
If JWH loses the election (I hope the Ireland scenario will play out here) and we get more interest rate rises then yes it will be true that interest rates will always be higher under Labor.
Also looking at the primary votes polled at around this time Morgan had it at about 38% which is close to what finally occurred.
322 tofk: “minister for caged hair”! i love it.
how about the minister for concrete thinking.
321 – yes, he questioned the timing of the release of the report, despite the AG mentioning in it that the department of transport had delayed its reply, which was why it was late.
LTEP I’m with ya buddy! Who cares what colour or colours he/she is as long as he/she participates in the debate!
Everyone gives Moragn some heat, but they were pretty close last time. Second to ACN i think. or was galaxy 2nd?
Has anyone heard a substantive (by his standards at least) response from Howard on the grants fiasco?
Galaxy was first
I think you’ll find Galaxy was first.
omigod, burgey, i’m longing for the day when these sad excuses for human beings are guillotined.
8 days is all i have to wait.
Next Newspoll should be around 59/41.
This fits in with the Morgan polls and I would not be surprised to see the final result around this mark as labor wins the final week of the campaign.
This will get labor about 117 seats,a good result and a righteous result.
57 -60 new members of parliament coming in, new talent, vision and ideas, and the same amount retired to pasture.
A good cleanout for the libs that gets rid of so much deadwood so they can rebuild anew.
The breaking of the drought as we get a good 3-4 weeks of soaking rain before christmas, even the salt shakers realise now what has been happening, saying that rain has been withheld to punish Australia for its wrong ways. But the drought will end with the end if cooalition rule as it did in 83.
oh thanks.
the OZ says: PRIME Minister John Howard says he stands by all grants issued under the discredited Regional Partnerships Program.
is that substantive enough?
The biggest story of the election campaign is about to break.
The GG will reveal tomorrow that Tony Abbott is, in fact, a Labor mole.
The late appearances at the debate and at the remembrance day ceremony, the swaering at women, the hospital debacle, the abuse of dying men, the fessing up over WorkChoices…they’re not all coincidences. It is part of a sinister plot by Labor to use a willing Tony Abbott to destroy every last shred of credibility the Coalition had.
With help from Mark Vaile, that is.
NOT! 323.
22% under John Howard, the World’s Worst Treasurer.
No further correspondence will be entered into.
Re Adam @ 226
No I don’t believe anything will change in the last week.
Funny you should mention the Democrats winning the election! Whilst at Miss Maud Swedish Restaurant in Perth on Monday I looked at their ‘bean poll’ which prides itself as being correct to a certain .x% in the last few elections. The bean poll said the Democrats would be a runaway success winning the election in a landslide. Whoops… they must’ve had a Dems function at the restaurant one night.
Crikey Whitey
I thought you were heading outside for the bucket brigade an hour ago. This site is too good to leave alone for very long, isn’t it.
JWH.
World’s Greatest Liar.
‘Tony did not say that’.
I have the tape, the transcript.
It must’ve been a wake.
Those beans were all that was left in the party coffers.
Crikey Whitey #336 that was not the mortgage rate!
No further correspondence will be entered into.
I cant believe it Kev’s first job might be sorting out this Balibo 5 verdict… talk about the deep end!
Back again, Middle Man is right: the story in the Oz is here
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22769886-601,00.html
Reminds me of Mayor Quimby on the Simpsons: “I stand by my ethnic slur”.
Of course “Diamond Joe” Howard forgot to mention that according to the audit, DOTARS never even checked how the Regional Partnerships Programme money was beign spent, or if the regions even benefited from the cash. So its hard to see how he can say he knows the regions benefited. Who cares? Its only our taxes.
BK. I did a few buckets. Got too hot. Will wait a bit. I’m evens, luckily, tomorrow can use the hose!
no john, it was the cash rate. and your point is?
Howard: Tony only said that WorkChoices took away our “protections” in a short jocular debate with his Labor counterpart. He has said sorry, but has not apologised.
This has probably been posted before, but for those who haven’t seen it sums up the whole LNP attitude. Hilarious to boot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tjftg2XW_M
John@341
Were not rates still under the direct control of the government in those days?
out of here. beer time!
Crikey Whitey
I thought tokenism was the province of JWH et al.
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