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Morgan phone poll: 56-44

Morgan has published results of a large-sample phone poll of 1670 respondents, “including 1,025 electors in 22 key L-NP marginal seats”. This has focused on seven such seats in New South Wales, pointing to a swing of 7.7 per cent, four in Victoria for 4.8 per cent, four in Queensland for 13.9 per cent, three in South Australia for 6.6 per cent, two in Tasmania for 9.9 per cent, and two in Western Australia for a swing of 3.1 per cent away from Labor. I am unsure on what basis Morgan has arrived at the conclusion that “the ALP looks set to win between 14 and 24 seats”. We are told without explanation that the swing in NSW is “not uniform” and that “the L-NP could still hold Bennelong, Dobell and Wentworth”, without any corresponding allowance for Labor gaining seats outside the range. Despite the swing in South Australia, it is apparently the case that Labor might not win Wakefield, which I find extremely difficult to believe. The overall result of the poll is a 46.5 per cent primary vote for Labor and 40 per cent for the Coalition, for a two-party preferred result of 56-44. It would require tremendous creativity to build a scenario from these figures that would only deliver Labor 14 seats.

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  1. 301
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Greg

    LOL

    Yeah, ABout as clever as Baldrick’s.

  2. 302
    Peter Kemp
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    {Black adder yes, Ive got the WW1 ones on dvd}

    Familiar ring of confidence with both Howard and General Melchett:

    Melchett: “Nothing but pig headed stubborness will see us through.
    …………the Germans will never suspect on the 17th occasion that we’ll carry out the same plan we had 16 times before.”

  3. 303
    Antonio
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Glen…how’s this for a new Lib solgan…

    “John Howard – tough on cooling, and tough on the causes of cooling”

  4. 304
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    No 292

    I’ve had the opportunity to travel around the world, to talk to people, to read. It hasn’t made me any more willing to join the cesspool of leftists.

  5. 305
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    I mean Grog

    ‘This Robin Hood uniform is just in case you come across a French village and it’s fancy dress,

    Blackadder – What about if I come across a French village and it isn;t fancy dress Baldrik?

    I’m afraid I hadn’t planned for that contingency Captain.’

  6. 306
    Spiros
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Glen, lol you are a bit behind the times lol on global warming lol.

    John Howard lol says that human activity is causing climate change and that carbon emissions have to be cut back.

    This is Liberal Party policy lol. And National Party policy lol.

    Lol.

  7. 307
    Kirribilli Removals
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    It’s been a while since I heard Andrew Bolt claiming that climate change is the greatest swindle since the last time someone sold the Harbour Bridge.

    Has he decided to pull in his ignorant head?

    Like the way he claimed on Insiders today that the Labor party has run a ‘brilliant’ strategy?

    Who said leopards can’t change their spots?

  8. 308
    Pi
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    300 Edward StJohn Says: November 18th, 2007 at 10:27 pm

    I dont claim any expertise on the environment but…

    The mantra of all climate skeptics.

    The answers to the questions, including our ACTUAL impact, compared to other countries are all there if you choose to look for them.

    But you’re too busy dreaming up word games to justify your denial.

  9. 309
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Glen would also be a member of the Flat Earth Society, remember what happened to Copernicus? Me? I am a member of the Limp Fallers Association. Remember them?

  10. 310
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    ‘This robin hood unifrom is just incase you travel through a frecnh village and it turns out to be a ceepit of leftists.’

    ‘What if I come across a french village and it isn’t a cesspit of leftists baldrick?’

    ‘I’m afraid I hadn’t planned for that contingency Captain as I believe every piece of ludicrous crap that comes out of John Howards mouth, eve the stuff he makes up to see if I’ll swallow and guess what? I do everytime….’

  11. 311
    Frank Calabrese
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Hey Frank @252, isn’t that guitarist rising out the the pool Kevin Rudd?

    Hmm, I just rewatched it – Eric McCusker DOES look like Kevin Rudd circa the Goss years.

  12. 312
    Antonio
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    #292 Alan H….you were WHAT??! Reading to your daughter???

    Get over it. That’s a LATHAM policy. He’s been discredited.

    Get your daughter a laptop, mate. Put her in a Kevin’07 T-Shirt and help her log her into a chatroom.

    Get with the education revolution, you Luddite.

  13. 313
    dirk provin
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    279
    BMWofVictoria Says:
    November 18th, 2007 at 10:17 pm
    While we are on funny shows is there anything better than Blackadder

    Looking out on the progress on the Lib’s campaign, one is left with the sneaking suspicion that the tactical genius at the helm is none other than S.Baldrick.

  14. 314
    paul k
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Kirribilli Removals,

    Bolt is still a Climate Change skeptic. He regularly goes on about it in the Herald Sun and his blog. He hasn’t changed on that issue.

  15. 315
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    And what are your qualifications on the environment Pi, you get spiritual when you see the beach or do you have any real knowledge, or maybe you watched inconvenient truth?

  16. 316
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    I’m with you GP

    Those Cesspool Leftists- when will the understand the trickle down effect really works, there are so many examples of it around the world, or at least as many examples as where communism works.

  17. 317
    Lose the election please
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t read shame into the Libs tactic of not having John Howard on their election material. It’s just down to their ‘local campaign’ strategy. Nothing at all to do with shame. It may be stupid… but if it works it works.

  18. 318
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    BBD,

    Do you think any unions in WA will be insolvent in the next 3 years?

  19. 319
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    This is dedicated to all future ex Liberal MP’s -

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pCWw6W5NEa8

    Great advice! :-)

  20. 320
    RGee
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    ESJ – Can I ask why you keep bringing up unions being insolvent in a few years? Have I missed something??

  21. 321
    Pi
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    # 305 Generic Person Says: November 18th, 2007 at 10:29 pm

    I’ve had the opportunity to travel around the world, to talk to people, to read. It hasn’t made me any more willing to join the cesspool of leftists.

    cesspool? Hmm… ok.

    But there’s a difference between 20 years experience, and one years experience 20 times over. I’ve met lots of people in my travels that are just as ignorant and bigoted as when they walked out of their parents house.

    Most people learn as they experience new things. Some people resist learning from their experiences, and want the world to conform to their very narrow-minded world-view. Take a bow.

  22. 322
    Samuel K
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry, but anyone who doesn’t believe in climate change is an idiot.

    The question is whether it is substantially being caused by human activity.

    (Answer: yes, it is)

  23. 323
    Antonio
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    On climate change, Howard seems to have adopted a standard line. He says it’s a matter of concern, but doesn’t believe that the world is going to end tomorrow.

    This is disingenuous.

    One could equally say that interest rates are a concern, but I don’t believe they’ll go up again tomorrow. Or hospitals are a concern, but I don’t believe all the patients will die tomorrow.

    It’s an approach that avoids the issue, and tries to whistle at two dogs, going in different directions.

    Why do you ask, Two Dogs? (sorry, couldn’t resist)

  24. 324
    Pancho
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    lol Spiros, lol.

  25. 325
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    I was curious about BBD’s view, many are in fact technically insolvent and are holding on with grim determination for this election.

  26. 326
    Grog
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Yes, LTEP they left him off because they’re so proud of him as the right leader for this country…

  27. 327
    Amaranthus
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Dogs are not ruminants ESJ, so their farts contain very little methane. And its a myth anyway that most methane comes from the rear end – it is mostly belched by cattle and sheet as their anerobic bacteria digest happily away. I certainly don’t dispute your “I don’t claim any expertise but…” preamble!

  28. 328
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    No 322

    Who is the ignorant bigot again? You seem to be implying that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to pinko leftism is ignorant. How misinformed and wrong you are.

  29. 329
    RGee
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    ESJ – And your source is whom?

  30. 330
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    319- Edward

    I certainly believe a change in government won’t save them if they are heading in that direction, it will be their own doing at least in part.

    I see some unions growing at the moment and some declining.

    Unions that think of themselves as institutions within a framework are declining and those that see themselves as active organisations with higher member involvement at the shop floor are growing.

  31. 331
    Aussieguru01
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    This one for you BBD @ # 317.

    It has a real trekle down effect!

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yxKjNos-UVA

  32. 332
    paul k
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Do you think any unions in WA ....

    Edward,

    Again with your obsession about the Unions. Do you check under your bed to see if there are any Union Bosses hiding?

  33. 333
    Kirribilli Removals
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the update paul K, as I don’t usually waste my time trying to fathom the rantings of a third rate journalist who fumbles around with scientific data and comes out with the utterly illogical. He’s a disgraceful self-promoter with the usual problem: ego in inverse proportion to intellect.

  34. 334
    Pi
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    # 316 Edward StJohn Says: November 18th, 2007 at 10:36 pm

    And what are your qualifications on the environment Pi

    I’m a senior manager in one of the largest engineering companies in Australia.

  35. 335
    John Hunt Is A Coward
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    LTEP you could not possibly be a Labor supporter when going in to bat and defend Howard, Liberals and Coalition at every turn. They are ashamed of John Howard. He is the real issue of this campaign. If it is just a local campaign tactic, why was Howard and Liberal logo over all Libs campaigns since 1996 bar 2007?

  36. 336
    Peter Kemp
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    “Tough on drug addicts, tough on the causes of drug addicts.”

    (promiscuous injections)

  37. 337
    Generic Person
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    No 323

    Samuel K, please cite a definitive and 100% conclusive statement from the IPCC or anyone else that confirms anthropogenic global warming.

    Can’t find anything? Because no such statement exists.

  38. 338
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    RGee-

    Look at http://www.airc.gov.au and take the organisation files link which shows all the balance sheets for unions in Australia, many of the 2007 annual reports are coming in and demonstrate what in liquidators parlance is termed “inability to meet debts as and when they fall due”, ie insolvency.

  39. 339
    Lose the election please
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    It doesn’t mean that at all Grog, the Liberal’s are probably just attempting to counter the presidential style campaign of Labor with a ‘team’ campaign (very Australian).

    I wouldn’t say it’s particularly smart… but as I said… if it works it works. They’ve literally got nothing to lose.

  40. 340
    Fargo61
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Ryan Voter at # 144 …

    The seat of Ryan may be even more in play after page 8 of todays Sunday Mail reported that sitting member Michael Johnson (LIB) was booked by Police on Thursday for driving at 55 km/h in a 40 km/h school zone, and also that he failed to attend a candidates debate on climate change the previous week.

  41. 341
    Pi
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Is that the best you can come up with GP? Calling me a communist?

    Stick to the funny-pages kid.

  42. 342
    Fulvio Sammut
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Generic Person, going to Rottnest doesn’t count.

  43. 343
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    333 PaulK

    I dont mind Edwards questions, i believe they are genuine

  44. 344
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Nah Paul K there all (the union bosses) running for parliament instead!

  45. 345
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    STOP THE PRESS!
    Game for a laugh?

    The new Janet Airheadson is up on The GG. Well it WAS up and it got pulled, she’s got a new photo, (skanking it up) and the blurb read something about Aus becoming a welfare society….

    Now I’m trying to work out how she will twist the facts to make out that it is not Howards fault but it is Rudd’s fault and especially Gillard’s fault…and um…not errr….Howard’s um….doing.

    Yes, the post is a complete waste of space. It’s the material I have to work with see? Im sorry I brought ‘her’ up.

  46. 346
    Luke Skywalker
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone have a report on the South Australian seats? Also, it would be good to know what effect the Workers Rights campaigns have had around Australia. Depending on who you talk to, they could be the equivalent of another campaign running next to the Labor campaign.

  47. 347
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Yes v.interested BBD

    But which union is growing, the SDA maybe? any others?

  48. 348
    George
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Generic Person Says: “Samuel K, please cite a definitive and 100% conclusive statement…”

    This shows your ignorance in how Science works. Like most global warming skeptics, they probably believe in God, but not in something that thousands of scientists around the world, experts in climate science, have said is almost certainly caused by humans.

    Oh, and I guess you will ask, but I have a degree in science.

  49. 349
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    So Pi means diddlies in terms of environmental quals. That tells me you like maths anything else?

  50. 350
    Grog
    Posted Sunday, November 18, 2007 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t think putting your leader on the leaflet would devalue the team.

    From memory the ALP used the same excuse in 96 when Keating was left off.

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