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	<title>Comments on: Morgan phone poll: 56-44</title>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/morgan-phone-poll-56-44/comment-page-14/#comment-87174</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one should take a Morgan Poll seriuosly. They&#039;re always off the mark. What is Labor and Coalition internal polling telling us? Anyone know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one should take a Morgan Poll seriuosly. They&#8217;re always off the mark. What is Labor and Coalition internal polling telling us? Anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: davidoff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/morgan-phone-poll-56-44/comment-page-14/#comment-87046</link>
		<dc:creator>davidoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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#406
Generic Person Says:
November 18th, 2007 at 11:03 pm

No 393

But there was demonstrable proof and evidence that CFCs damaged the ozone layer, whereas currently, much of gloabl warming science is based on computer modelling.
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Generic Person: Chances are that code I have written (and/or managed) has a direct impact on your quality of life or at least a one or more people in your immediate family.   I would be really interested in hearing your qualified opinion on computer modeling in general - and from that, you specific concerns with respect to computer modeling as related to climate change.</description>
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#406<br />
Generic Person Says:<br />
November 18th, 2007 at 11:03 pm</p>
<p>No 393</p>
<p>But there was demonstrable proof and evidence that CFCs damaged the ozone layer, whereas currently, much of gloabl warming science is based on computer modelling.
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<p>Generic Person: Chances are that code I have written (and/or managed) has a direct impact on your quality of life or at least a one or more people in your immediate family.   I would be really interested in hearing your qualified opinion on computer modeling in general &#8211; and from that, you specific concerns with respect to computer modeling as related to climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: davidoff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/morgan-phone-poll-56-44/comment-page-14/#comment-87043</link>
		<dc:creator>davidoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;396/Glen
Sure it wouldn’t hurt to address CO2 emissions but let’s not go nuts here and costs jobs because of the Green lobby.
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Glen - what is puzzling to me is why the &#039;liberal&#039; community are not getting behind climate change big time.  The Australian contribution to the problem (perceived or real) is for all intensive purposes is insignificant - but the potential Australian leverage is very significant - we have an educated workforce and the potential to deliver solutions applicable to an international market.  We can grow our local economy, expand business opportunities, improve our international standing, and even potentially move this nation to the collection of nations that make a difference.  It just seems to me that this a win-win proposition.  What am I missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>396/Glen<br />
Sure it wouldn’t hurt to address CO2 emissions but let’s not go nuts here and costs jobs because of the Green lobby.
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<p>Glen &#8211; what is puzzling to me is why the &#8216;liberal&#8217; community are not getting behind climate change big time.  The Australian contribution to the problem (perceived or real) is for all intensive purposes is insignificant &#8211; but the potential Australian leverage is very significant &#8211; we have an educated workforce and the potential to deliver solutions applicable to an international market.  We can grow our local economy, expand business opportunities, improve our international standing, and even potentially move this nation to the collection of nations that make a difference.  It just seems to me that this a win-win proposition.  What am I missing?</p>
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		<title>By: davidoff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/morgan-phone-poll-56-44/comment-page-14/#comment-87042</link>
		<dc:creator>davidoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-posting with nested comments.

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383
Pi Says:

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November 18th, 2007 at 10:56 pm

374 Edward StJohn Says: November 18th, 2007 at 10:52 pm

    I unlike others acknowledge if I have limited knowledge in an area. On climate change there is a huge element of taking claims as facts, and where there are facts these are used to extrapolate assumptions like shutting down coal and power stations.
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The ALP is making no such assertions that it is. You know, when I don’t know something about a subject, I don’t talk about it.

You really should try to do that too.

Make no mistake about it… coal power stations WILL have to change their ways. Companies like mine built them, and my company and companies like mine will invariably replace them.

Learn about the subject, THEN talk about it.
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Yes - this is where the economic impact kicks in - in the engineering, the manufacturing, the business services, and (from my domain) the software solutions.  Its about new economy thinking.</description>
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November 18th, 2007 at 10:56 pm</p>
<p>374 Edward StJohn Says: November 18th, 2007 at 10:52 pm</p>
<p>    I unlike others acknowledge if I have limited knowledge in an area. On climate change there is a huge element of taking claims as facts, and where there are facts these are used to extrapolate assumptions like shutting down coal and power stations.
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<p>The ALP is making no such assertions that it is. You know, when I don’t know something about a subject, I don’t talk about it.</p>
<p>You really should try to do that too.</p>
<p>Make no mistake about it… coal power stations WILL have to change their ways. Companies like mine built them, and my company and companies like mine will invariably replace them.</p>
<p>Learn about the subject, THEN talk about it.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes &#8211; this is where the economic impact kicks in &#8211; in the engineering, the manufacturing, the business services, and (from my domain) the software solutions.  Its about new economy thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: davidoff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/morgan-phone-poll-56-44/comment-page-14/#comment-87041</link>
		<dc:creator>davidoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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383
Pi Says:
November 18th, 2007 at 10:56 pm

374 Edward StJohn Says: November 18th, 2007 at 10:52 pm

    I unlike others acknowledge if I have limited knowledge in an area. On climate change there is a huge element of taking claims as facts, and where there are facts these are used to extrapolate assumptions like shutting down coal and power stations.

The ALP is making no such assertions that it is. You know, when I don’t know something about a subject, I don’t talk about it.

You really should try to do that too.

Make no mistake about it… coal power stations WILL have to change their ways. Companies like mine built them, and my company and companies like mine will invariably replace them.

Learn about the subject, THEN talk about it.
#
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes - this is where the economic impact kicks in - in the engineering, the manufacturing, the business services, and (from my domain) the software solutions.  Its about new economy thinking.</description>
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Pi Says:<br />
November 18th, 2007 at 10:56 pm</p>
<p>374 Edward StJohn Says: November 18th, 2007 at 10:52 pm</p>
<p>    I unlike others acknowledge if I have limited knowledge in an area. On climate change there is a huge element of taking claims as facts, and where there are facts these are used to extrapolate assumptions like shutting down coal and power stations.</p>
<p>The ALP is making no such assertions that it is. You know, when I don’t know something about a subject, I don’t talk about it.</p>
<p>You really should try to do that too.</p>
<p>Make no mistake about it… coal power stations WILL have to change their ways. Companies like mine built them, and my company and companies like mine will invariably replace them.</p>
<p>Learn about the subject, THEN talk about it.<br />
#
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<p>Yes &#8211; this is where the economic impact kicks in &#8211; in the engineering, the manufacturing, the business services, and (from my domain) the software solutions.  Its about new economy thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: davidoff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/morgan-phone-poll-56-44/comment-page-14/#comment-87039</link>
		<dc:creator>davidoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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#
304
Generic Person Says:
November 18th, 2007 at 10:29 pm

No 292

I’ve had the opportunity to travel around the world, to talk to people, to read. It hasn’t made me any more willing to join the cesspool of leftists.
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dito</description>
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#<br />
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Generic Person Says:<br />
November 18th, 2007 at 10:29 pm</p>
<p>No 292</p>
<p>I’ve had the opportunity to travel around the world, to talk to people, to read. It hasn’t made me any more willing to join the cesspool of leftists.
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<p>dito</p>
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		<title>By: otiose</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/morgan-phone-poll-56-44/comment-page-14/#comment-87034</link>
		<dc:creator>otiose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;#
353
William Bowe Says:
November 18th, 2007 at 10:46 pm

Alan H, can we keep the abuse on a leash please.


i have loved this blog for some time now and i respect william&#039;s attempt to minimise abuse - it&#039;s just that the ignorance, racism and bigotry of some of the posters here is almost too much for us mere mortals .. here endeth the ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;#<br />
353<br />
William Bowe Says:<br />
November 18th, 2007 at 10:46 pm</p>
<p>Alan H, can we keep the abuse on a leash please.</p>
<p>i have loved this blog for some time now and i respect william&#8217;s attempt to minimise abuse &#8211; it&#8217;s just that the ignorance, racism and bigotry of some of the posters here is almost too much for us mere mortals .. here endeth the &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: davidoff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/morgan-phone-poll-56-44/comment-page-14/#comment-87032</link>
		<dc:creator>davidoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
#
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Grog Says:
November 18th, 2007 at 10:09 pm

But on the Rove thing - last week it rated 1.145m viewers. I’m betting it will beat that this week quite easily.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes - I&#039;m confident that ratings will be up significantly.</description>
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#<br />
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Grog Says:<br />
November 18th, 2007 at 10:09 pm</p>
<p>But on the Rove thing &#8211; last week it rated 1.145m viewers. I’m betting it will beat that this week quite easily.
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<p>Yes &#8211; I&#8217;m confident that ratings will be up significantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtins for the Rodent</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/morgan-phone-poll-56-44/comment-page-14/#comment-87016</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtins for the Rodent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have said 13 Tory held marginal seats.</description>
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		<title>By: davidoff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/morgan-phone-poll-56-44/comment-page-14/#comment-87014</link>
		<dc:creator>davidoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
#
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Samuel K Says:
November 18th, 2007 at 8:30 pm

Just spoke to a friend who is fairly high in the C’wth public service. Very interesting. Apparently the department head is telling her to read papers by Tanner and Swan. She reports that her department has been in overdrive like never before - preparing for a new government.

Bodes well - but isn’t definitive I guess.
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Any chance you friend could provide some links to papers available on the web?</description>
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#<br />
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Samuel K Says:<br />
November 18th, 2007 at 8:30 pm</p>
<p>Just spoke to a friend who is fairly high in the C’wth public service. Very interesting. Apparently the department head is telling her to read papers by Tanner and Swan. She reports that her department has been in overdrive like never before &#8211; preparing for a new government.</p>
<p>Bodes well &#8211; but isn’t definitive I guess.
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<p>Any chance you friend could provide some links to papers available on the web?</p>
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