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	<title>Comments on: The Senate: Western Australia</title>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Armstrong</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/the-senate-western-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-90134</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck to all players who are candidates for the Senate in W.A.  The newly established Secular Party will be fielding two candidates as &quot;group Q&quot;.  They expect to oversee a rational and humanistic basis for ethics in relation to both the society and the environment after future elections to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck to all players who are candidates for the Senate in W.A.  The newly established Secular Party will be fielding two candidates as &#8220;group Q&#8221;.  They expect to oversee a rational and humanistic basis for ethics in relation to both the society and the environment after future elections to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Fargo61</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/the-senate-western-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-88407</link>
		<dc:creator>Fargo61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark at #12

Thanks Mark, yes, I have somehow had a shocker and run the NSW calculator instead of the WA one.

Matthew Cole at # 13, yes, I agree with you, result likely 3-2-1, which was what I thought in the first place, until I confused myself entirely by running the NSW calculator instead, thinking I had clocked on the WA one. My excuse...Too many late nights studying for final Uni exam and reading political blog sites.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark at #12</p>
<p>Thanks Mark, yes, I have somehow had a shocker and run the NSW calculator instead of the WA one.</p>
<p>Matthew Cole at # 13, yes, I agree with you, result likely 3-2-1, which was what I thought in the first place, until I confused myself entirely by running the NSW calculator instead, thinking I had clocked on the WA one. My excuse&#8230;Too many late nights studying for final Uni exam and reading political blog sites.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/the-senate-western-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-87470</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Green numbers in polls are to be believed, the Greens have been in consistant decline all year.  I will conceed Bob Brown will be elected, but their chances decay substantially in all other states, as they will find it hard to put together a quota on preferences.  The Dems will not contribute much more than a handful of left leaning micros.  They will have to rely on a harvest of a substantial ALP residue to muster 14.2%.

If the Greens can replace the two retiring senators, then they can consider themselves fortunate.  Anything beyond that then we can sack the pollsters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Green numbers in polls are to be believed, the Greens have been in consistant decline all year.  I will conceed Bob Brown will be elected, but their chances decay substantially in all other states, as they will find it hard to put together a quota on preferences.  The Dems will not contribute much more than a handful of left leaning micros.  They will have to rely on a harvest of a substantial ALP residue to muster 14.2%.</p>
<p>If the Greens can replace the two retiring senators, then they can consider themselves fortunate.  Anything beyond that then we can sack the pollsters.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Curtis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/the-senate-western-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-87446</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fargo61,

DLP votes of 1.00 per cent are too high, outside of Victoria and Tasmania.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fargo61,</p>
<p>DLP votes of 1.00 per cent are too high, outside of Victoria and Tasmania.</p>
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		<title>By: The Speaker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/the-senate-western-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-87359</link>
		<dc:creator>The Speaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>umm I think the database is down.  

Despite my lax bloggery (I consider it a website, not a blog), I get a fair bit of traffic. (600 visitors a day)

Maybe I went through some sort of quota.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>umm I think the database is down.  </p>
<p>Despite my lax bloggery (I consider it a website, not a blog), I get a fair bit of traffic. (600 visitors a day)</p>
<p>Maybe I went through some sort of quota.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/the-senate-western-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-87343</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3-3 for mine, with an outside chance of CDP or FFP if the Lib vote plummits further.
Neither party will have over the third quota to be of assistance to another minor.

What&#039;s wrong with your web site Mr Speaker?  I get a blank screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3-3 for mine, with an outside chance of CDP or FFP if the Lib vote plummits further.<br />
Neither party will have over the third quota to be of assistance to another minor.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s wrong with your web site Mr Speaker?  I get a blank screen.</p>
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		<title>By: The Speaker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/the-senate-western-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-87147</link>
		<dc:creator>The Speaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The polls are showing the coalition holding up better in WA.  

Considering the Liberals had a primary senate vote of 49.3% last time, I think they will still manage three quotas straight off their primary vote, ie 43%. 

The danger for the Greens is that Labor&#039;s primary vote will grow too large for them to catch and there is no Liberal excess to get them over the line.

Despite the above I think the Greens are more likely than not to win a seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The polls are showing the coalition holding up better in WA.  </p>
<p>Considering the Liberals had a primary senate vote of 49.3% last time, I think they will still manage three quotas straight off their primary vote, ie 43%. </p>
<p>The danger for the Greens is that Labor&#8217;s primary vote will grow too large for them to catch and there is no Liberal excess to get them over the line.</p>
<p>Despite the above I think the Greens are more likely than not to win a seat.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen L</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/the-senate-western-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-87139</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t think the 4 Right, 2 Left scenario in WA is very likely, it is made credible by the decision of both the carers and Climate Change Coalition to deliver preferences to the CDP ahead of Greens or ALP. If these two take a significant chunk of the left vote, and some of the polls showing minimal swing to the ALP in the West are right, it could happen. William left the CCC out of his list of people who are going to the CDP, although they&#039;re the most surprising of the lot.

However, provided the ALP can get much of a swing at all the danger is small and the question becomes the battle between the ALP and Greens for the 3rd left spot and the Liberals and CDP for the 3rd right position.

If the Greens get less than 5 people up at this election there will undoubtedly be a chorus from assorted pundits as to how this was a &quot;disastrous&quot; result for us. As evidence they will point to predictions from Malcolm Mckerras and our host that we would win 5 or 6 seats, and then try to imply that this is what the Greens themselves were saying they would get. I know this because it has happened before many times, where predictions from others become transformed into our own supposed overconfidence.

Consequently, for what it is worth I&#039;ll put my own sense of our chances on the record - and here seems as good a place as any.

I am very confident that Bob will be re-elected (not a brave statement really). I think that in the ACT, WA and Vic we are narrow favourites. I don&#039;t expect us to pull all of them off, but in each I think we have a slightly better than even chance. In South Australia I rate our chances as 50/50. I don&#039;t write off our chances in either NSW or Qld, but in both cases I think the odds are substantially against us. I have gone from thinking that Andrew Wilke&#039;s chances were a pipe dream to considering there is a remote chance he might win, but I&#039;d emphasize the &quot;remote&quot;.

All up, the sort of result William has predicted for us is possible, but I think it is unlikely. If we can get three wins this time I&#039;d be satisfied, and four would make me very happy. I&#039;d be over the moon with six.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t think the 4 Right, 2 Left scenario in WA is very likely, it is made credible by the decision of both the carers and Climate Change Coalition to deliver preferences to the CDP ahead of Greens or ALP. If these two take a significant chunk of the left vote, and some of the polls showing minimal swing to the ALP in the West are right, it could happen. William left the CCC out of his list of people who are going to the CDP, although they&#8217;re the most surprising of the lot.</p>
<p>However, provided the ALP can get much of a swing at all the danger is small and the question becomes the battle between the ALP and Greens for the 3rd left spot and the Liberals and CDP for the 3rd right position.</p>
<p>If the Greens get less than 5 people up at this election there will undoubtedly be a chorus from assorted pundits as to how this was a &#8220;disastrous&#8221; result for us. As evidence they will point to predictions from Malcolm Mckerras and our host that we would win 5 or 6 seats, and then try to imply that this is what the Greens themselves were saying they would get. I know this because it has happened before many times, where predictions from others become transformed into our own supposed overconfidence.</p>
<p>Consequently, for what it is worth I&#8217;ll put my own sense of our chances on the record &#8211; and here seems as good a place as any.</p>
<p>I am very confident that Bob will be re-elected (not a brave statement really). I think that in the ACT, WA and Vic we are narrow favourites. I don&#8217;t expect us to pull all of them off, but in each I think we have a slightly better than even chance. In South Australia I rate our chances as 50/50. I don&#8217;t write off our chances in either NSW or Qld, but in both cases I think the odds are substantially against us. I have gone from thinking that Andrew Wilke&#8217;s chances were a pipe dream to considering there is a remote chance he might win, but I&#8217;d emphasize the &#8220;remote&#8221;.</p>
<p>All up, the sort of result William has predicted for us is possible, but I think it is unlikely. If we can get three wins this time I&#8217;d be satisfied, and four would make me very happy. I&#8217;d be over the moon with six.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Cole</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/the-senate-western-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-87047</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fargo,

I doubt that the LP will suffer a 10% decline in their vote in WA.....

My most likely scenario - 

LP3 (off 3 quotas)
ALP2 (off 2.x quotas)
Grn1 (off ALP preferences).

Try this with Antony Green&#039;s very spiffy calculator - 

LP - 43.1% (down 6%)
ALP - 36% (up 4%)
Green - 8.25% (up 0.2%)
FF - 0.85%
CDP - 3.1% (up 1.3%)
Dem - 2.0% (unchanged)

I predict, in other words, pretty much a status-quo situation over here, with 3 LP, 2ALP and minor parties 1, like every other election since 1990.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fargo,</p>
<p>I doubt that the LP will suffer a 10% decline in their vote in WA&#8230;..</p>
<p>My most likely scenario &#8211; </p>
<p>LP3 (off 3 quotas)<br />
ALP2 (off 2.x quotas)<br />
Grn1 (off ALP preferences).</p>
<p>Try this with Antony Green&#8217;s very spiffy calculator &#8211; </p>
<p>LP &#8211; 43.1% (down 6%)<br />
ALP &#8211; 36% (up 4%)<br />
Green &#8211; 8.25% (up 0.2%)<br />
FF &#8211; 0.85%<br />
CDP &#8211; 3.1% (up 1.3%)<br />
Dem &#8211; 2.0% (unchanged)</p>
<p>I predict, in other words, pretty much a status-quo situation over here, with 3 LP, 2ALP and minor parties 1, like every other election since 1990.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark R</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/18/the-senate-western-australia/comment-page-1/#comment-86551</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fargo61, 

Those calculations refer to NSW not WA (that is the NSW Senate ticket). I also think you are overestimating the Family First vote in WA (probably their weakest state), and underestimating the CDP (WA is their 2nd strongest state).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fargo61, </p>
<p>Those calculations refer to NSW not WA (that is the NSW Senate ticket). I also think you are overestimating the Family First vote in WA (probably their weakest state), and underestimating the CDP (WA is their 2nd strongest state).</p>
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