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ACNielsen: 57-43

Not sure where he heard this, but the more than reliable Possum Comitatus hears tomorrow’s ACNielsen will show 55-45.

UPDATE: Now the Channel Seven News tells us it’s 57-43. Either ACNielsen or Galaxy are going to look at bit silly come Sunday.

TWO-PARTY PRIMARY
ALP LNP ALP LNP
Nov 23
57 43 ? ?
Nov 16
54 46 47 43
Nov 2
55 45 48 41
Oct 19
54 46 48 42
Oct 6
56 44 47 40
Sep 8
57 43 49 39
Aug 11
55 45 46 41
Jul 14
58 42 49 39
Jun 16
57 43 48 39
May 19
58 42 48 39
April 21
58 42 50 37

1,408 Comments

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  1. 1
    Julie
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    All hail King Possum :)

  2. 2
    Dyno
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Much more in line with expected.
    Fascinating to see the media spin on all this!

  3. 3
    Toby
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    One says 55-45 and the other says 52-48… shows that the polls are so unreliable, really.

  4. 4
    RGee
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Possum knows all.. now chill out my labor voting friends. General Wenck is not going to bust through.

  5. 5
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Some polling companies will have some major egg on their faces :)

  6. 6
    Misty
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Oh please let it be so.

  7. 7
    Michael
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    55-45 is a malling… i can relax now…

  8. 8
    Dario
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    One says 55-45 and the other says 52-48… shows that the polls are so unreliable, really.

    It will be interesting to see the differences in primaries most of all before we jump to any conclusions

  9. 9
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    Same as usual…

    The leaflet scandal has gotta be worth 1-2 points as well…

  10. 10
    Hemingway
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    Please note that Possums also stated about the Galaxy 52% poll:

    “they’ve been the stand up polling comedian all year.”

  11. 11
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    The average of the last major polls last time was a very accurate predictor of the actual result…

  12. 12
    Big Blind Door Knocker
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    I’ll tell you all who i think will win after I see the Poll AEC are doing on Saturday.

  13. 13
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Yes, my prediction from the most consistent and independent pollster.

    Jes-a-len-ko

    Yo- byo-tay

  14. 14
    Michael
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Not sure whether I posted this earlier but Kellygate reminds me of Ralph Willis releasing the fake Costello letter in ‘96 – something which Keating forever blamed for his defeat (somewhat unfairly)

  15. 15
    Marko
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Just asked Poss to drop by this thread and provide some substantiation – not that I don’t trust him implicitly, just seeking confirmation…

  16. 16
    TofK
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    I think we can leave thecoalition optimists and ALP concern trolls in a Galaxy far far away.

  17. 17
    donners
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    This popped up on my iGoogle home page today…

    To predict the behaviour of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence.
    – Friedrich Nietzsche

    I think it sums up the antics in Lindsay today.

    And with Nielsen on 55-45 things are humming along nicely for a Labor victory.

  18. 18
    Kate Ellis for PM
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Phew- thanks Possum!

  19. 19
    Big Blind Door Knocker
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    remember the difference between recent Galaxy and Newspoll marginal polls. This is no different. A look across all four polls (maybe not Morgan) will be the best guide.

  20. 20
    frank frederic
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Has Galaxy come up with this 52-48 in their polls in the last, say, 6 months?!?
    If this is just another fresh poll (with 1-2k sample size), I wouldn’t take it seriously.
    By now pollsters should announce their aggregated poll, weighting over the last few months. That would be more convincing.

  21. 21
    alpal
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Oakes might have a early leak on ACN. He’ll be worth watching anyway

  22. 22
    PoliticalHeadkicker
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Phew!

    52-48 or 50-50 just couldn’t have been right. This is more like it.

    Come Sat 57-43 should be the go after Lindsaygate

  23. 23
    Crikey Whitey
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Being Tabitha.

    Possum’s amazing
    Possum’s unfailing

  24. 24
    Kina
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Regardless of what the polls say now we know it simply couldn’t be 52/48

    The LNP have had the worst campaign possible and Labor has been on song throughout. Galaxy have been low most of the year whilst Newspoll and Nielsen have backed each other reasonably well – and that has been until very recently 54-55, which the Morgan phone poll backs. The lowest it could be right now is 53/47.

    If anything Howard’s vote should go backwards and if it gets anyworse 55/45 may well end up the election result.

  25. 25
    Spiros
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    FFS, 52:48, even if it was true, would get Labor elected comfortablty.

  26. 26
    Julie
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    21,

    Well worth watching. :) I want to see a reprisal of his a.m show :)

  27. 27
    Glen
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Only if the swing was uniform though Spiros.

  28. 28
    wilful
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Actually Spiros, that’s not right. It would be exceedingly close at 52:48. Due to the anture of things, Labor needs slightly higher vote than theL/NP jsut to break even.

  29. 29
    Ashley
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Glen 57 — Labor would win most of the time with 52 even assuming a non-uniform swing. Although they would miss some low swing seats, they would also pick up some above the average swing.

  30. 30
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Well of course it’s always possible the scare campaign finally broke through. It has before.

  31. 31
    The Finnigans
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    When the Daily Terror endorses Labor, then you know the game is over for the Govt. So be relax and comfortable, as the man would tell you.

  32. 32
    Hemingway
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    For those who think these national polls are meaningless, lest we forget………Graham Richardson would have access to far more extensive internal Labor Party polling of marginal seats, and Sunday night on Nine he called it 80 seats for Labor.

    Richo has been on the money calling the result correctly for 30 years. If anything he would be prone to offer a conservative prediction.

  33. 33
    Spiros
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    No Glen, you’ve got it completely backwards. If the swing was uniform, then Labor might not get up with 52:48, according to the pendulum.

    But the swing will not be uniform. We know that already from the state polling.

  34. 34
    ruawake
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Newspoll and ACN release polls regularly election or no election. Galaxy pops its head up 2 months before an election then disappears.

    I reckon Briggs reads tea leaves and hopes some sucker believes him. Didn’t work in the Qld election – he reckoned the Nats were a real chance.

  35. 35
    Big Blind Door Knocker
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    52-48 could be right, why do people discount it. Galaxy have no doubt asked a bunch of voters the questions, done the maths and this is thier result. I do not much go for the theory that polling companies much around with results other than the fact the chose to round the numbers instead of giving us a decimal point.

    I just think treating all the polls as one sample is far more accurate and history has shown that to be the case. Please use reason and stop sounding like Colingwood supporters who wont see things objectively and in context.

  36. 36
    Daniel B
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    The interpretation of these polls (if true) is simple: 53.5 +/- MOE, which is what many of us have been saying all along.

  37. 37
    Drop by
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    55\45 would seem to concur with the price being offered by the various betting agencies.

  38. 38
    alpal
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    There is no way in the world that the ALP 2pp vote on election night will be anything less than 53 – and that would be their worst result in the current polling and political climate. It’s been locked in too far for too long – and the Libs campaign this last week has been shite. Anything less than 54 on the night would be a turn up.

  39. 39
    Marko
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    A poster on Poss’ blog says he got the ACN figure from Radio National. Can anyone confirm this?

  40. 40
    Ashley
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Yes Daniel B, I agree. If ACN and Newspoll come in at 53+ then it would be hard to believe that the actual result will be much lower than 53.

  41. 41
    AM
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Saw the PM on Ten news looked very desperate begging for votes, we are a good government, the case for change has not been made, yet another lie.

  42. 42
    Lose the election please
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    People dismiss Galaxy because they’re afraid it could be right. My feeling is it’ll be closer to Galaxy than ACN on the night.

  43. 43
    Marko
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    9 News Sydney opening with PamphletGate…

  44. 44
    ruawake
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    LTEP

    You would say that. :-P

  45. 45
    Nostradamus
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    I’ll believe the ACN result when I read it in the papers.

  46. 46
    TurningWorm
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    After reading Possum’s site, I don’t think he is giving the 55-45 figure from an authoritative source.

    Happy to be proved wrong.

  47. 47
    frank frederic
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    forget the polls gentlemen :)
    stick with the punters, they are correct all time time
    the they say $1.2x / $4.x

  48. 48
    Lose the election please
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Just keeping some balance. I still think the polls point to a likely ALP victory, but I think it’ll be extremely tight and not even the parties can tell how its going to go.

  49. 49
    Snoopy Doo Doo
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Galaxy has proved itself as unreliable as dodgy leaflet in a Liberal Party bunker. Remember the Galaxy outlier produced to bolster the PM when he was under threat some months ago: then it was secured by using push polling questions before the poll was taken to produce a better result for the Coalition. Other polls round the time were telling a different story. Was this latest Galaxy Poll preceded by dubious questions?

  50. 50
    Spiros
    Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    LTEP 42

    Closer to Galaxy than ACN means 53:47, which is a runaway win.

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