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		<title>By: Sean Welsh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/30/what-is-to-be-done/comment-page-21/#comment-109786</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was asked:

&quot;Sean Welsh… your preferred Liberal leader in Queensland?&quot;

Answer:

Fiona Simpson :-)

Yes I know she is a Nat but I am assuming a merger...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was asked:</p>
<p>&#8220;Sean Welsh… your preferred Liberal leader in Queensland?&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer:</p>
<p>Fiona Simpson <img src='http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yes I know she is a Nat but I am assuming a merger&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rain</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/30/what-is-to-be-done/comment-page-21/#comment-109783</link>
		<dc:creator>Rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ShowsON:&quot;The whole debate over gay marriage completely misses the essential point that it isn’t the government’s role to define what marriage is in the first place.&quot;

Perhaps in a moral sense, but I suspect the govt does have a role and an interest in defining government-funded financial benefits which are given to married couples, and such things as Family Court matters.

I think the whole push for gay marriage, is to gain access to welfare benefits, Medicare benefits, taxation subsidies, superannuation subsidies etc - the list goes on.

The whole gay marriage thing is about money, money, money. How can I get more money out of govt, of course I Know! we&#039;re gay -- we should get couple benefits too!

That&#039;s why they want &quot;legal&quot; recognition, a civil non-legal ceremony just isn&#039;t good enough, because it doesn&#039;t give you money!

It becomes ridiculous, as you will have people pretending to marry just to gain access to &quot;couple&quot; benefits. 

There are others who live together as roommates without a sexual relationship of opposite sex who get the reverse.  My elderly mother shared a state govt house with an elderly man, and was hassled so much about being a &quot;couple&quot; - no legal marriage or anything, but they had to Appeal it in court coz the govt wanted to reduce both their benefits by classing them as a couple.  I know of young Uni students on Youth Allowances who just happen to share a house/flat and also get hassled to be classed as a &quot;couple&quot;. 

Others like siblings, cousins, might like to access &quot;couple&quot; benefits too, especially when one has been caring for the other for 30+ years, but because they dont have sex and are related, they can&#039;t get access to govt benefits.

Right of legal marriage, gives automatic right of legal divorce as well. 
Legally recognise gay marriage and watch the Family Court go into overdrive, with all the property settlements and custody cases.

Then there&#039;s all the de-factos, which never got a &quot;legal&quot; marriage either but want to be classed as one, but only when it suits them, usually when there is financial advantage.

I suspect the govt&#039;s interest in defining legal marriage, has less to do with the social morality of it, than the increased drain on govt funding, administration and fartarsing about.

To be fair and equal, remove all financial advantages from legally married couples, of any persuasion, and watch how many people don&#039;t care anymore!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ShowsON:&#8221;The whole debate over gay marriage completely misses the essential point that it isn’t the government’s role to define what marriage is in the first place.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps in a moral sense, but I suspect the govt does have a role and an interest in defining government-funded financial benefits which are given to married couples, and such things as Family Court matters.</p>
<p>I think the whole push for gay marriage, is to gain access to welfare benefits, Medicare benefits, taxation subsidies, superannuation subsidies etc &#8211; the list goes on.</p>
<p>The whole gay marriage thing is about money, money, money. How can I get more money out of govt, of course I Know! we&#8217;re gay &#8212; we should get couple benefits too!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why they want &#8220;legal&#8221; recognition, a civil non-legal ceremony just isn&#8217;t good enough, because it doesn&#8217;t give you money!</p>
<p>It becomes ridiculous, as you will have people pretending to marry just to gain access to &#8220;couple&#8221; benefits. </p>
<p>There are others who live together as roommates without a sexual relationship of opposite sex who get the reverse.  My elderly mother shared a state govt house with an elderly man, and was hassled so much about being a &#8220;couple&#8221; &#8211; no legal marriage or anything, but they had to Appeal it in court coz the govt wanted to reduce both their benefits by classing them as a couple.  I know of young Uni students on Youth Allowances who just happen to share a house/flat and also get hassled to be classed as a &#8220;couple&#8221;. </p>
<p>Others like siblings, cousins, might like to access &#8220;couple&#8221; benefits too, especially when one has been caring for the other for 30+ years, but because they dont have sex and are related, they can&#8217;t get access to govt benefits.</p>
<p>Right of legal marriage, gives automatic right of legal divorce as well.<br />
Legally recognise gay marriage and watch the Family Court go into overdrive, with all the property settlements and custody cases.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s all the de-factos, which never got a &#8220;legal&#8221; marriage either but want to be classed as one, but only when it suits them, usually when there is financial advantage.</p>
<p>I suspect the govt&#8217;s interest in defining legal marriage, has less to do with the social morality of it, than the increased drain on govt funding, administration and fartarsing about.</p>
<p>To be fair and equal, remove all financial advantages from legally married couples, of any persuasion, and watch how many people don&#8217;t care anymore!</p>
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		<title>By: MayoFeral</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/30/what-is-to-be-done/comment-page-21/#comment-109763</link>
		<dc:creator>MayoFeral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Thanks Adam. What was Howard’s trip to Government House about Friday?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Probably to hand the Head of Stateship back to the G-G.  

The way Howard assumed most of the public role of the HoS was disgusting. About the only gig he didn&#039;t take over was presenting the Melbourne Cup.

Jeffrey is no doubt delighted to see the back of the old stager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thanks Adam. What was Howard’s trip to Government House about Friday?</p></blockquote>
<p>Probably to hand the Head of Stateship back to the G-G.  </p>
<p>The way Howard assumed most of the public role of the HoS was disgusting. About the only gig he didn&#8217;t take over was presenting the Melbourne Cup.</p>
<p>Jeffrey is no doubt delighted to see the back of the old stager.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussieguru01</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/30/what-is-to-be-done/comment-page-21/#comment-109760</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussieguru01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good night all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good night all.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussieguru01</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/30/what-is-to-be-done/comment-page-21/#comment-109759</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussieguru01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing the Daily Telegraph takes $1M of the tax payers money from the government but backs Kevin &#039;07 in the editorial.SWEET!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing the Daily Telegraph takes $1M of the tax payers money from the government but backs Kevin &#8216;07 in the editorial.SWEET!</p>
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		<title>By: Crikey Whitey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/30/what-is-to-be-done/comment-page-21/#comment-109758</link>
		<dc:creator>Crikey Whitey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, thanks, read back.

On procedure, concessions electoral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, thanks, read back.</p>
<p>On procedure, concessions electoral.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussieguru01</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/30/what-is-to-be-done/comment-page-21/#comment-109757</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussieguru01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry SHOW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry SHOW</p>
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		<title>By: Aussieguru01</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/30/what-is-to-be-done/comment-page-21/#comment-109756</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussieguru01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sows On. Oh thats where your coming from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sows On. Oh thats where your coming from.</p>
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		<title>By: Crikey Whitey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/30/what-is-to-be-done/comment-page-21/#comment-109755</link>
		<dc:creator>Crikey Whitey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, well Frank at number unkown.

He&#039;s making a list checking it twice,
gonna find out who&#039;s naughty or nice,
Santa Claus is coming to town

He sees you when your sleeping
He knows when your awake
He knows if you&#039;ve been bad or good

So be good for goodness sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, well Frank at number unkown.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s making a list checking it twice,<br />
gonna find out who&#8217;s naughty or nice,<br />
Santa Claus is coming to town</p>
<p>He sees you when your sleeping<br />
He knows when your awake<br />
He knows if you&#8217;ve been bad or good</p>
<p>So be good for goodness sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussieguru01</title>
		<link>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2007/11/30/what-is-to-be-done/comment-page-21/#comment-109754</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussieguru01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor JWH. He had it all &#039;staged&#039; 
*the economy - on cue
* unemployment &amp; inflation - on cue
*hobnobing as a &#039;statesman&#039; @ APEC - on cue
*winning the 2007 election - canceled
*Xmas parade the &#039;day after&#039; - on cue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor JWH. He had it all &#8217;staged&#8217;<br />
*the economy &#8211; on cue<br />
* unemployment &amp; inflation &#8211; on cue<br />
*hobnobing as a &#8217;statesman&#8217; @ APEC &#8211; on cue<br />
*winning the 2007 election &#8211; canceled<br />
*Xmas parade the &#8216;day after&#8217; &#8211; on cue</p>
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