Morgan, which ended its recent poor run at the federal level with a 53.5-46.5 result on the eve of the election, has produced the first post-election poll on voting intention. It shows Labor enjoying a honeymoon boost to 58.5-41.5, with a primary vote lead of 49 per cent to 36.5 per cent. Newspoll will presumably return to the fold in the new year.
Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth
Morgan: 58.5-41.5
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How was he a traitor to Australia? He wasn’t in combat against Australian troops. Get your facts straight.
Glen, wake up. The issue was about the rule of law not Hicks per se. Even ‘traitors’ have legal rights. Or do you believe we should just hang em high and ask questions later?
judy 742
As I said, I won’t engage.
I am well aware of your background.
And your efforts. And those of the others you mention.
For which admiration is too small a term.
Same regards.
But that’s it.
Rod
Many of us are also aware of the aborigines’ woeful child sex abuse etc
Clearly the case & its decision meant different things to many blogers
I THINK this is a fair summary of different views:
Was Rudd uninformed ,
Was Rudd politicising the issue ,
Is Anna Bligh’s decision via DPP to appeal correct ,
Are we blogers entitled to an opinion on the Judges decision on reported facts ,
Are we entitled to rely on Rudd & Bligh’s judgement based on their
departmental officers briefs that ‘ its an appalling decision’
Should blogers read the whole case before forming an opinion
Does the ‘decision’ encourage the perpetrators
I took the PM Kevin Rudd at his word that this type of decision like many before it are NOT JUST appalling in themselves but that the the issue itself is appalling
(and by implication he felt should be addressed). Perhaps I’m being generous
Unfortunately there is no easy fix but the frustration is that we may not even be at the beginning in any area of the aboriginal improvement process
My headache is returning: get off it!!
On the one hand you have Glen a conservative voter villifying Hicks and the other Adam a Labor voter doing the same, sums up politics in this country really.
I doubt that the local spooks regard Hicks as much of a threat. He looks to me like a naive unlucky fellow-traveller. Of couse he will be watched to see if any contacts are made (and to fulfil the terms of the deal with the US), but he would be regarded with deep suspicion by “real jihadists” .
I predict Andrew Denton will interview him before Christmas 2008!
ViggoP and Gary that’s your position but Hicks willingly fought against the combined Coalition forces and thus is a traitor as our forces fought along side other troops in the Afghanistan campaign, it is you that needs to get your facts straight gary.
That is what makes him a traitor, not only that but to train with al-Qaeda or any terrorist organisation is treasonous IMHO.
If i had it my way id tear up his passport and tell him to get out and stay out, this should apply to any person who volunteers for terrorist training.
No ViggoP people like Hicks who have trained with terrorist organisations are the real fifth column.
glen-
The KLA (kosovo liberation army-predominantly muslim) was funded by the CIA
Hicks was leaving the frontline (and possibly the country) when he was bushwhacked.
How is hicks a traitor to australia
This is not a conversation, it’s a competition of egos. See you all tomorrow: I’ll be sober and sane then, and you?
Geez Ron – we were actually fighting on the same side about Hicks. Did you have to go and bring up Aurukun again?!
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Ferny Grover – yes FG they have the right to be hung IMHO. What questions need to be asked, he was in Afghanistan captured by the NA fighting with the Taliban after being sent their by al-Qaeda with whom he trained with extensively???
Marta Harri got shot for less than that…
Ferney I will retract that last blog
NOW we are still on the same side Ferney
Viggo must admit that is how you feel sometimes.
Oops, seems your site had some difficulties with my post William, I got a database error a couple of times when I hit submit so edited out the ” characters but it added my posts anyway. Hence the triple posting.
This is unbelievable
Adam had a “reserve” army of supporters in Glen & Dyno
So when Adam goes to bed , the ‘reserves’ come to the front line
Glen, he was actually caught at a cab rank, standing by a tank. But anyway, you are running a silly argument which might hold water somewhere like Egypt or maybe Saudi Arabia. Is the irony getting to you?
Glen, firstly there is nothing ‘H’ about your ‘O’. More importantly, you have completely abandoned the concept of the rule of law and the principles of innocent till proven guilty, and are a prime example of why we must never again allow the conservatives to hold power in this country.
Agree entirely, ViggoP 759.
Any chance of getting on to some kind of reasoned topic?
This is the sort of blogrubbage I assume one would encounter on a site such as well, just guessing, Jones, Bolt, Laws et al.
Amusing myself, counting stuff.
Report later.
Dr Haneef , Habib and Hicks
John Howard abandoned our system where you get charged and get a trial
Fortunately the voters abandoned Howard
Good evening all. I have kept low dealing with the “Real World” since the election but I do take a peek on PB once in a while to see how us “PBites” are doing.
It’s been an interesting read.
Adam. You had mention a little while back that you have booked your holiday. No doubt your getting your fill on line before you go. May I say that your contribution here has been “priceless” amongst others who have contributed as well. Have a good break & recharge.
I’ll get in early here & wish all PBites a merry Xmas & a safe holiday season. Again to William B I have made mention how grateful I am that you operate/guardian/gatekeeper this site so we can “exchange” our ideas as we smoke up our keyboards as we spew out our sentiments for all to think & digest & regurgitate as needed. It is a forum democratic cyberdom this that is a trailblaser & it is healthy medium for our democracy.
Again another one bites the dust … that ‘07 & the Howard era. What a great year.
I was thinking the same thing Ron, is Glen a person in disguise who makes out he is conservative but really he is a front provided by Adam to show us just how loony the conservatives are so that we all must vote Labor.
Ferney
“why we must never again allow the conservatives to hold power in this country”
except for the earth wire of HV3P cables
The Liberals WORST NIGHTMARE has come true
Julia has entered the building and IS in charge
I never said he shouldnt be tried, but he is obviously guilty you dont have the gumption to say he is an innocent man FG.
Oh and FG don’t worry because “we’re coming back” and when we do we’ll have to fix the economy after Rudd has blown all our savings and prosperity and once we do that the progressives of the country had better be on their best behaviours.
I don’t think any average Australian believes Hicks is innocent of all his offenses he committed whilst an al-qaeda/taliban fighter in Afghanistan.
Interesting to here the new gos on Habib no wonder that traitor didn’t answer any questions as to what he was doing in Afghanistan hah!
Glen there was a vote and we (Labor) have won the Hicks argument
Please respond to my blog re Julia right now is in charge of Australia – like it ?
Why does the media have to carry on about it, what a women can’t do the job. What next. And why did Gillard fawn or crawl to them, i would have told them to go away and look for some real stories, ah just realised half the media twits have no idea how to research stories.
Crikey Whitey @ 768,
Probably not.
Today has been a conversation of the deaf. Everyone seems to think their view is more superior than anyone elses. Clearly the topics have been more controversial and people have very polarised views.
No one seems to be able to agree on basic facts so the chances of any consensus is almost impossible.
Just a preview of Christmas Dinner with the rellies.
Greensborough the last line is beautiful, love it.
Well GG the GOOD NEWS is we can have these disagreements knowing the Rodent has gone
Also me 7 Ferney have now made up
Ron, ill say what i say whenever i am disgruntled about Australian politics.
‘Serenity Now, Insanity Later’
Thankfully we only have comrade julia as Acting prime minister till thursday.
Yeah Ron’s me mate
Yeah, Greeensborough.
Would be a fascinating poll, this site alone.
Right, wrong, direction.
At least we are free to argue again, I guess.
does anyone have a list of ‘metropolitan’ electorates
(I am not familiar enough with most Capital cities to know which are ‘ metropolitan’
I would like to do an analysis of the postal votes specifically in those seats
Me thinks there is a HUGE increase in the libs postal votes there which is possibly hidden in the total postal vote by the normative postal vote recorded in ‘Country’
type electorates
I would need to extract the info seat by seat (when I know which are metropolitan
any help please
CW writes: Dick Kimber is a South Oz, suburban and school family known to me.
I’ve known Dick for more than 30 years, CW. Last time I saw him was at the funeral of a very good mutual friend, the Central Australian Arrernte statesman and artist, Wenten Rubuntja whom I had the sad honor to co-author an obituary in The Age for (I’m afraid it is a “fee for access” item there now). Dick gave an excellent interview on ABC Radio in the NT about Wenten’s life at the same time.
Dick wrote in the past about some parts of eastern SA and western Victoria that I’m doing some work on myself at present.
Small world, eh!
Cheers
Rod
Ron and Ferny,
Can you guys get a room please!
Part two of Rudd Chinese propaganda video, if you missed it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g17fxE36QGU&NR=1
Thanks Lefty E
Glen, you sound very young so I’ll go easy on you. The issue of my ‘gumption’ has nothing to do with Hicks’ innocence or otherwise. The problem is that we have not had a legally constituted court to decide that question.
As for the economy – only the most myopic old Tories grimly hang on to their own mythology about their economic superiority. History tells a different story. In fact, it is the ALP who have been the economic fixers and the Tories the economic beneficiaries.
What the Papers Say
The Australian.
Qld Crown Prosecutor stood down. For his remarks as to ‘naughtiness’ child in case.
The Age.
Prof. Bruce Chapman suggests that overseas Australians working overseas beyond 6 months should be repaying HECS debt.
SMH
Transport tunnels.
Private Health fund care rises.
Fin.
Julia turns up pressure on Coalition, Work Places reform.
Nelson needs to look at the detail, Barnaby in favour.
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Lefty E Says: u tube
very funny Lefty
I will take your insult about sounding young on the chin but i assure you i am not some scruffy 18 year old young Liberal.
FG what are you smoking? How good a financial position did Mr Whitlam leave us in 1975? How well was the economy doing in 1949 when Menzies came to the rescue, or 1932 when Joe Lyons had to take over from an ALP unqualified and incapable of helping us through the depression or how well did Keating do when he gave us a recession, 1 million unemployed and 17% interest rates at their peak?
That is why the Tories are and forever shall be the better economic managers in Australian politics.
Crikey , i think Nelson needs to look at his back wherever Turnbull is
Nelson is like a guy on death row….
knowing the end is near (and wondering whether its worthwhile delaying it)
Rod 784
Good stuff, Rod.
Thought Dick would be known to you. Good that you are together on this stuff.
If I can help with say, editing, collating, whatever, would be happy to do so.
Same prefix, lower case at bigpond-com
Rod
There is an article in Wikipedia on Wenten Rubuntja – you might want to tidy it up.
Lefty E i hope he keeps making them throughout Rudd’s Prime Ministership i like how they are balanced.
Crikey obviously from your comments to Rod you are involved with aborigine stuff
Completely ignore the current case. What would you like Rudd to commence implementing in aboriginal affairs
Ron at 796 I have previously posted on such matters. That is:
SUBMISSION TO MR KEVIN RUDD, PRIME MINISTER ELECT.
‘HOW TO GET TO SORRY’. Suggested Action Plan, Time Line.
BACKGROUND:
Convention is that the Governor General has an expected tenure of 5 years.
Major-General Michael Jeffery (remember him?) was commissioned Governor General on 11 August 2003.
To serve the remainder of the former GG’s term, that is, three years.
As of 30 /11/07, 4 years, 110 days served ( no comment.) 5 years due to expire in mid 2008.
As of December 2007, GG permitted to resume his duties in the position. Courtesy PM of Australia.
PROPOSED STRATEGY:
Momentum political and active, occurs in addressing indigenous issues. NT intervention reviewed and reshaped.
In consultation with stakeholders.
Sorry Legislation flagged. Consultation occurs. Noel Pearson mollified.
Opinion sought in private over logical person for next GG.
Sorry Legislation, of whatever type, is framed.
Date nominated as to its being put before the House.
Current GG announces intended retirement date.
Next GG decision announced.
Professor Lowitja O’Donohue OA. First woman. First aboriginal. National Living Treasure.
Last Australian Governor General. Full circle.
Sorry Legislation passes through HOR, despite Brendan Nelson, Leader of the Opposition.
July 2008. Assented to in the newly constituted Senate.
New Governor General Lowitja O’Donohue signs Legislation. Great fanfare.
Tempus Fugit. Republic put forward as issue for next election. Referendum. New round of suggestions for the Flag.
Rudd Government re elected to second term. Terms of Referendum framed and announced.
President to be elected by the people. Candidates put forward.
Include: Julian Burnside QC. Tim Costello. Malcolm Fraser. Ian Chappell. Fiona Stanley. William Deane. William Bowe. Possum.
Decision made, by the people.
CONCLUSION:
Republic comes into being. More great fanfare.
Former Monarch of Australia attends to anoint decision of the Australian people ( Look, don’t touch, Kevin.)
In attendance, Malcolm Turnbull, Leader of the Opposition. Republican.
Sydney Harbour Bridge closed for Reconciliation walk.
Useful comment still welcome, thanks Ron.
Ron @ #783
RE: Metropolitan electorates
I can’t find a list as such, but the classifications are on the AEC website.
http://www.aec.gov.au/Electorates/Electoral_DPM/Electorates_by_State.htm
Click on each electorate, and look for Demographic Rating:.
The ratings are: Inner Metropolitan, Outer Metropolitan, Provincial and Rural.
The rating seems to be arbitrary where an electorate covers both rural and metropolitan area. For example, Forde, Blair and Dickson all include outer suburbs of Brisbane and rural areas. Forde and Blair are classified as rural but Dickson is classified as outer metropolitan.
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Chatswood Statsman
I’m pretty much with you on the Hicks affair.
There’s some irony in the fact that guys with buzz cuts and dark glasses get to fly into Iraq with Blackwater, shoot up some civilians after a few drinks, and then get to go home with no questions asked, but that poor fool Hicks gets nabbed before he even gets to join the local civil war. OK, one lot of mercenaries do it for dosh, while the other one really believes the Taliban are the way the truth and the light. Still, it’s hard to envisage Hicks getting p!ssed and killing innocents for kicks, in fact he doesn’t appear to have killed anyone. The way I understand it is that he joined up with the Taliban to fight the Northern Alliance in what was essentially a civil conflict, and the al Qaeda stuff was peripheral. Five years of solitary and stern treatment from guys with buzz cuts seems a little bit out of proportion to the non-existent crime. Even the Taliban didn’t seem to think much of his usefulness as I recall, because they had him guarding a tank! Hmm, dangerous guy!
But as Adam has taken some pains to show us, Hicks is now, like the poor sod in Alice’s Restuarant, a felon, a certified “tear ar wrist”, and needs to be treated as the walking equivalent of e-v-i-l, and if he reports to police a few times a week, doesn’t stay out late at nights, and certianly doesn’t ring up Osama bin Laden on his mobile, then we can all sleep soundly.
Phew, praise the law!
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