Roy Morgan’s first face-to-face poll of the Rudd era shows Labor with a predictably bloated two-party lead of 60.5-39.5. Read all about it here.
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Morgan: 60.5-39.5
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“i know they didnt choose to be homosexual but you just cannot have children like that its not natural.”
I totally agree. It is not natural to have IVF of any sort, so it should be banned for all. People who have genetic deficiencies or are infertile simply should not breed. Go ahead and adopt, but keep you deficient genes were they belong, away from other people. Else the children you so desperately want will very likely inherit the same problems that you are experiencing and why would you wish that upon your own kids? I am incredulous that anyone in 2007 is brave or naive enough to say that some people are not allowed to be parents because they are homosexual. FFS it is legal for absolutely ANYONE to be a parent, so it is pure bigotry to say that homosexuals are suitably qualified to be parents if they conceive naturally, but are not capable of the same task if they adopt or use IVF or surrogacy.
If it is OK for heteros to use IVF, then it must also be OK for homosexuals. In fact, they are far more likely to produce healthy kids than would a bloke who shoots blanks. I also find it bewildering that certain people who claim to be christians rave on about how immoral it is to use a condom because it is unnatural, yet they condone IVF.
Which booth had the most one-sided 2PP result?
Have to be a rural booth you’d think??
It is a different feeling taking the right wing view on a particular issue on this blog. Glen if the money is real good (like a footballer) I’ll consider joining your mob lol!
On the AEC website it shows four seats as yet to be finalised.
Corangamite, McEwen, Melbourne and Melbourne Ports.
Yep, found the answer (excluding Prision/Hospital etc mobile teams):
1.72/98.28 2PP in Eumamurrin, Division of Maranoa
http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HousePollingPlaceFirstPrefs-13745-6154.htm
The largest margin in a booth with 1000+ votes is Cringila in the seat of Throsby (93.15/6.85 2PP)
http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HousePollingPlaceFirstPrefs-13745-540.htm
‘Onya James,
I’m not far from Cringilla, in the domain of the great member for Throsby, Jenny George. It’s the lowest income suburb in the Illawarra, located on the backside of the Port Kembla Steel Works.
Oh my, just check out the lead report in “The Age” today. Is Senator Wong a star? She did this. She hornswoggled and argued and bent their arms (the U.S.)up their backs and got them to agree!! Megastar, Our Penny! Whoop!
Maybe Glen should talk to the pilots on this subject,they’ll clear his woolly brained head in no time.I’ll bring my brother on to this forum tomorrow,he’s a military expert and he knows the pilots.Their perspective is very interesting to listen to.
BTW, Jenny George got a 9.64 % swing to hike her 2PP up to 73.46. I just hope the Nelsonian Libs persist in their delusion that WorkChoices had no major impact, that it was really just bad luck combined with need to renew leadership, which Costello was peddling again recently.
A few clicks on the AEC site shows:
Leichhardt booths (all ALP 2pp)
Hope Vale 70.83 +20.16
Thursday Island 68.12 +27.93
Remote Mobile Team 3 85.54 +30.99
And what I think must be a record – A 19.88% swing to the CLP at the Lingiari Remote Mobile Team 13 (a whole six votes)
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Harry,
Muchas Gracias for the headsup about the spectacular triumph for our Minister for Climate Change. She’s brilliant.
Remote mobile team 7 in Lingiari recorded a 2PP vote of 98.48% for labor.
The primaries were ALP 257 votes, Greens 5, CLP 2.
is this the highest overall?
Most of the mobile teams in Lingiari recorded TPP’s of ~80-90% for the ALP.
Hems
There is more to come mate.
Looking forward to COAG.
Do you see a window of opportunity???
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Centre – It’s nice to know that people who disagree can agree on an issue and back one another up. It is mutually gratifying, but just as Adam got attacked for his views on Iraq/Afghanistan you have felt the brunt of some steamy attacks and held your own well. I do my best but i do know i am a minority here but hey lol.
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scaper… – COAG will be a love in until somebody mentions vertical fiscal imbalance and all hell will break loose, Carpenter still thinks WA will get far more money than the other small States…lol!
Actually all the Opposition Leaders should meet when COAG does i mean they’ve got to work together as a team or else they’ll stay in Opposition. I think this would be a good idea. Especially since all the Labor Leaders are meeting so should the Liberal/Nats Leaders meet IMHO they’ve got a lot of work to do i can tell you now.
Hey, it’s a matter of the result of this love in.
But at the same time…I wish for the rebuilding of the Liberal Party.
I want what is best for our nation…nothing less.
glen wrote: “Just as Gays and Lesbians cannot naturally have children neither should they be allowed surrogacy or adoption (or any parenting rights either), i know they didnt choose to be homosexual but you just cannot have children like that its not natural. Just as people dont support human cloning which is not natural most people do not support homosexuals having children as this is not natural either.”
glen, when did you become opposed to ivf, surrogacy, adoption and parenting rights for post menopausal women and women with fallopian tube disorders? how many votes do you think that will win?
what a crude argument. equal parts mob rule and appeals to the ‘natural order’ by someone who’s typing away on a synthetic computer in his synthetic clothing. bood transfusions, raidotherapy, vaccines, antibiotics, premature babies, open heart surgery, none of these things are ‘natural’ glen. but that won’t stop you making sure you get the best medical care if you have a dodgy heart. who are you to decide what’s natural? why should a mob decide what i do with my body? that’s the problem with ‘conservatives’ like you. you aren’t. the second a conservative opens their mouth to advocate the restriction of someone’s individual rights they instantly join the ranks of the extremist, social engineer left. congratulations.
Glen, you’re such a trooper, but please see my earlier advice. You guys really need to take some time out to have a good, long hard think about the world, and everything. I know it’s tempting to keep flailing away at the traditional enemy or enemies, but what if they aren’t?
Harry ‘Snapper’ Organs 258
Is Senator Wong a star?
Megastar, Our Penny! Whoop!
Yes, Yes, Yes! HSO.
Unimaginable hitherto, but a bit of elbow (along with our gal) and All over, Red Rover!
Not to dwell, but does this not say that a bit of shove and push, previous Oz administration, could have done the same trick?
Considering the rather surprising capitulation of the US at Nusa Dua, well, at least they’ve agreed to actually negotiate short term targets, it really discredits the argument that Rudd and Howard were’nt far apart on this issue.
It seems that Oz ratifying, and holding the Yank’s hand to the fire has been a large influence in this outcome.
Yet another myth blown away, and on the world’s big stage.
Glen – before you try to become an expert on military air power, I suggest you study this website: http://www.ausairpower.net/. The Super Hornet buy is a dud and Nelson was well and truly ripped off by Boeing (who I used to work for so I know the culture there).
The current F/A-18 does not have much more operating range than the old 1960s vintage Mirage fighter. That’s part of the reason we’ve had to buy extra air refuelling aircraft. The so called Super Hornet is just an overweight version of our current fighter and is no match for the Sukhoi Flanker.
The F-111 is expensive to keep operating but we only need a handful of them and it would be a lot less than the $10 billion we have to pay for the Super Hornets. The F-111 is good value because the Indons know that it can fly unrefuelled from Darwin to Djarkarta and back and lob a bomb into a window of the presidential palace. It has kept the Indons honest for the past 30 years.
Believe me, no one in Defence wants the Super Hornet but whether Labor will try to bale out of the deal remains to be seen. My inside knowledge tells me that Defence have to save big bucks to pay for other projects so the Super Hornet deal may be junked by Labor. It may cost us a couple of hundred million bucks to get out of the deal but there is no point in buying equipment we don’t want or need.
It’s all well and good to be high and mighty Alex but there was going to be a gap in our air defences because of the delays of the F-35 JSF, what aircraft would you have bought instead??? Sure the F-111 has served us well but honestly i sincerely doubt we’ll ever have to actually fight a war against them in the few years before we get delivery of our 100 F-35s.
The SuperHornets will be a more reliable aircraft that has been a success for the USN for many years now and will easily slip into our structure considering we already fly F/A18s atm. I believe the F-18E/F is exactly what we needed as a stop gap fighter to plug a temporary hole in our defences. I dont claim to be an air warfare expert i never have, but i believe Nelson got the best that was on offer for us at that time IMHO. Also i dont remember Labor having the guts to put out an alternative policy other than just trash ours.
I would have thought that the basic thing about a war between Indonesia and Australia is that neither side would have any chance at all of winning an all out war but both sides would have considerable capacity to damage the other’s interests during any war-fighting. Therefore, the purpose of equipment would be to maintain some sort of view on each side that the basic war equation would be lose/lose. Not so much MAD as a little bit MAD. I suppose there are more limited war options, but the basic equation remains that such operations seriously risk the all-out model.
Would marginal differences in platforms make much of a difference here? I would have though that the electronics/missiles would probably be more important than the flying bit. Are the differences marginal? I am not very technical so would be interested in views. I am not really commenting on the value-for-money aspect here. From that perspective the SH looks like a poor purchase and will be a very useful weapon only in the context of the opposition trying to crank up national security as a winning agenda: a flying political boomerang. It will also make Turnbull even more attractive as a replacement for Nelson.
Anyway, remember that scheme of Howard’s, to introduce a starter price for grandparents et al, to line their pockets on a no doubt ever escalating scale, tax free investment for they, their grandkiddies, and god knows who else, to save up for a house? Fine details elude me.
What if Kev introduced some kind of one off over three years, once in a lifetime offer, to match, in whatever dollars, savings made from income tax cuts, as long as the savings remained in an account, of some kind, preferably not with a bank, as they would be eaten immediately.
Idea being to avoid the money pumping into the consumer economy.
Just over the planes and stuff.
He would do anything to win the election. The Liberal Party should effing pay for it.
“THE father of a Sydney boy with cerebral palsy claims his son was used for an election stunt by former prime minister John Howard…. Mr Howard paid a visit to the Terrey Hills home of 11-year-old Daniel Clarke on November 5, in the midst of the election campaign, to announce funds to save endangered orang-utans in Borneo and Sumatra… Daniel lobbied Mr Howard about the plight of the apes after a chance meeting in the Australian rugby team’s dressing room in May…. Daniel’s father, Rodney Clarke, 40, said he has now been informed the $200,000 is no longer going ahead because it was an election promise”.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22929893-5006009,00.html
But, the Finnigans, it wasn’t Kev’s idea, was it?
Crikey, our Kev would not stoop that low. Only a rodent would stoop that low.
Finnigans, this is not Howard’s fault it’s Rudd’s for not taking up that policy.
glen, do you even know when the f-35 will be available? do you it’s been delayed several times? do you know it’s less capable than the f-111? smaller payload, shorter range, must carry large stores externally, making it unstealthy. the f-18 and f-35 are not strike aircraft. they are jacks of all trades and masters of none. you’re reduced to laughing at aircraft because of their country of origin, not knowing their actual capabilities. Which seems to be brendan nelson’s MO. the su-30 outclasses the f-18. it has earned respect from even us pilots. simple as that. the f-18 is pathetically insufficient for the distances we’d have to use them at and i’m sure there’s an interesting advice/memo/meeting trail outlining nelson’s decision to buy them. i’m betting it’ll all come out.
Gam does the F-111 have stealth capabilities????? No it doesnt!
It doesnt have to take large stores only if you want it to be armed with alls its hard points.
So what gam the Indons only will have 8 Su30s we’ll have 24 super hornets and 100 F-35s plus do you even know that when the Indons bought the two su27s and Su30s they didnt have enough money to arm all of them????
#275 That article is bizzare. Parties can now break election promises even though they lost the election? Of course the promise was broken, they are not in government to implement it! Unless we now expect the opposition of the day to storm government offices and force through their own election commitments?
Which low, the Finnigans?
Opting out of orang-utans, do you mean?
Mind you, me too ism is a form of aping.
Reckon Kev should split the diff. Half to cerebral palsy, half to the other guys.
Smile.
(Don’t know how to do those round things)
My advice to the little boy is lobby your local MP if he or she does nothing then sit back until you turn 18 and make a point of telling that Political Party why you wont vote for it, our Pollies seem to not get it that sometimes the seeds of who you vote for are planted by small things to use a footy term the 1% per centers, in saying that Howard made a promise, he nor the Liberal Party can be accused of breaking it for they are no longer the Government.
Did not Howard pay up front for some of his pre demise promises?
Knowing he could no longer rely on non-core?
So, why didn’t he dish the dollars then?
I seem to recall that there was considerable fanfare about it, particularly here.
Agree with 283, the money is good, not just for one little vote, either.
It’s about many and much.
Let me take it one step forward, I suspect why some small L Liberals and some outer suburban voters stayed with the Liberals is they don’t like the Unions.
The Unions serve an important function in the running of the workplace therefore the broader Economy and Community.
Unfortunately just like any group of people there are good and bad but due to the public position of Unions a few bad apples can cause damage just like an MP who is too lazy to work the electorate can cost votes.
One of the little things which hurt the ALP in the 1990s was some Union reps became very lasy this in turn cost both the Union movement members and the ALP votes for many people saw the Unions and the then ALP Government has putting the top end of town ahead of there own hip pocket.
This hurt the ALP and after such an outstanding campaign I do hope the Union movement doesn’t fall back into being lasy for what tends to happen in voter land is if you have a bad experience with something which is clearly connected to one side of Politics then Rudd will be found guilty by association.
There is a saying the day a Government is elected it starts to die.
Okaay! Glen, this is a once in a lifetime, never to be repeated, amazing, offer!
Before I return to yard duty, that is weeding etc mine, would you like, as the resident lurker, to respond to my 274?
glen, the f-35 can carry a couple of bombs internally, at the expense of missiles or missiles at the expense of bombs. it’s pretty much 2 amraams and 2 bombs. it CANNOT carry ANY cruise missiles internally. compare that to the f-111 that can haul 14 TONS of ordnance out to 2000 km. and yes glen, at low level the f-111 is very stealthy, especially seeing as how the people we’d be using it against don’t have integrated air defence systems, e.g. awacs and the like. i suppose you’re right, carrying two bombs each you would need about 20 f-35s to make up a decent strike package and another 20 to escort them to 1000km. also did you know that our export version f-35 is significantly less stealthy than the version the yanks will be using? i think it’s wonderful that you’ve drunk the kool aid on the super hornet, i suppose you have to. but can’t you see sense? i don’t have to make things up or make vague statements to prove my point.
True. But OTOH, Howard met the boy back in May then did nothing until well into the election campaign before dragging the kid before the cameras to show how much he cared knowing full well the odds of being reelected weren’t good.
He clearly used the kid as a last desperate ploy to win a few votes.
I understand Howard’s super is $330,000 a year plus freebies like a car with driver and a perpetually full tank, an office with secretary and a gold travel pass. I’m sure with a bit of belt tightening he and Janette could manage on $130,000 for one year.
Ah Gam
“The f-18 and f-35 are not strike aircraft. they are jacks of all trades and masters of none.”
excellent summary
#288 “He clearly used the kid as a last desperate ploy to win a few votes.”
Of course he did. As did Rudd with others. It is an election campaign. That is what they do. The leaders don’t criss cross the nation making promises with the media in tow just for the fun of it.
To get worthwhile range one bay will have to be filled with an aux fuel tank.
Note also that the 2 air to air missile bays will only take very short range Sidewinders.
The F-35 is primarily designed for ground attack in support of troops and armour, and as a secondary fighter in low risk situations. It is not designed to be an air superiority fighter.
Glen @217 Says:
The answer is in your question: USN stands for United States Navy.
Here is another clue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_carrier
Glen – 272 – ‘high and mighty? that was the name of a Hollywood air war movie in the 1950s – are you channelling for John Wayne? Also ‘nelson got the best deal going fo a gap fighter’? We weren’t looking for a gap aircraft, the best brains said we don’t need one as the F-111 can go on until 2025 if necessary. By then we would have something else in service. Go look at that air power website.
Back from yard duty.
Glen has been shot down.
NO, he ran out of fuel…
Paper aeroplane…
Another good piece by Judith Brett, ‘The unravelling of John Howard’:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/16/2119907.htm
Jetsons..
Glen once again proves Basil’s Rule #101, amount of verbiage generated is inversely proportional to knowledge of subject. I expect this post will be deleted also as were several of mine last night.
I am an avid follower of this site and only an occaisonal contributor so therefore may lack membership of “the club” but may I ask one question– why the f—ck do you all spend so much time engaging in debate with the mystical glen who knows nothing yet knows everything– surely if you don’t encourage him he will either
1 go away
or 2
make some meaningful and worthwhile comments for a change
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