Voting has begun in today’s Florida primaries, the last to be held before Super Tuesday apart from Republican caucuses in Maine on Saturday. For refusing to play by the rules of the parties’ national committees, Florida has been stripped of the 210 delegates it would normally send to the Democratic national convention, along with half of its 114 Republican delegates. All 57 of the Republican delegates will be pledged to the winning candidate, whereas the Democratic primary amounts to nothing more than an opinion poll. Polls show John McCain and Mitt Romney neck-and-neck in the Republican race, with Rudy Giuliani looking very unlikely to pull off his Florida-first strategy.
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148
The Finnigans
It can get ugly (uglier?) if Hillary Clinton does not get a big majority of delegates, and she tries to invite these disallowed delegates.
Read this, it spells out the twists and turns:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/01/30/hillary/
147
TurningWorm
Reminds me of someone! When caught red handed putting words into people’s mouths, she just swishes her blonde hijab (it almost hides her true ugliness!), and asks: “Is this just going to be about me?”
Pure egotistical pathological liar, and creepy.
Glad I got on McCakin at 6.50 before Florida!
McCain
It’s been a while since I read this, but it’s still probably the best flensing of Coulter’s beastly prose by anyone.
Here’s Hitchens on Coulter:
http://www.theliberal.co.uk/hitchens.htm
A little more on the Al Gore speculations …
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Gore_endorse_Obama/2008/01/28/68076.html
Jed, you should cut your profit margin by betting back on Hillary. It’s easy money. That’s how to win punting. The form is secondary. You have read the market well, now reap the rewards.
What a shame the Republicans are going to back a Senior Citizen for the Whitehouse and not a genuine moderate Republican that could of won them the Presidency in November. Rudy’s tactics weren’t at fault especially since he was trashed from the start of the primaries by all the mass media except Fox. I blame the media more than anything else as they and the pundits couldnt be proved wrong in trashing his strategy so they starved his campaign of air time and when they did report on him it was all negative.
Well to KR and Diogenes who felt threatened by a moderate Republican as it was he who was verbally brutalised by some unsavoury comments is very sad but expected of people like them. To even suggest that someone would use 9/11 for political gain other than to demonstrate their abilities and character is sickening. Giuliani had to mention his leadership skills when he was Mayor during the attack if anybody has the right to demonstrate their character it was the people involved in the aftermath of the attacks and Rudy was front and centre so i cannot see that that means he’s using ‘it’ he was the only one entitled to.
Had he been the Mayor of Miami and done the same things, then you’d have a point but this man was there and he dealt with the crisis hands on.
Giuliani was the only candidate with true Republican policies, tax incentives to buy private health care, tax reform/cuts, national catastrophe fund, tough illegal immigrant plan, keep on the offence against terrorism what a shame the Floridians got duped by the media to vote for McCain. If i was an American id seriously consider not voting now. But its over now McCain will win the nomination, Romney and Huckleberry dont have it in them and the amount of personal jibing between them indicates they wont get the VP spot so i wonder who’ll it be.
Oh and Hillary must be happy she won delegates who wont get into the Convention at Denver LOL! Still i hope she wins the Dems nomination, McCain couldnt beat Obama in a sweet fit.
Wonder if George W Bush will endorse McCain for President as a parting jibe LOL the kiss of death!
Thats it for me tonight so if you want to say nah nah, nah nah nah fine but i wont be here so dont waste Williams bandwidth.
156
davidoff
It appears that Uncle Ted has let the genie out of the bottle, and the other blokes who’ve been dudded, one way or another by Hillary, are revving to have a go to stop her.
Cranky old men may not be the best look, and I didn’t think Ted Kennedy looked anything like one the other day, but it’s a risk the ‘gang four’ will be running. (Especially from the ’sisters’!)
Coulter represents the discard from the wanabe feminists
A perfect dinner date for pompous Toff sneaking in the background like a virus
Must be hard everyday to realize Howardism has gone
I’ll run this through Babel Fish and see if it comes out as intelligible in ANY language:
“Well to KR and Diogenes who felt threatened by a moderate Republican as it was he who was verbally brutalised by some unsavoury comments is very sad but expected of people like them. ”
Oh Glen, we’re soooooooo sorry! If only we hadn’t felt ‘threatened’ by that lovely ‘moderate’ Rudy!
Oh, Glen, please come back another time! We love it!
“Verbally brutalised”! Tell that to some of Rudy’s victims!
How does one take this stuff without laughing to death?
Oh, and yes, I actually think Adam is right: McCain is the only human on offer, and at least a capable and compassionate one who will not always bend over for the neocons.
(But his fascination with bombing Iran is seriously disturbing!)
Umm Glen- I’m quite happy for McCain to win. I believe he’s a moderate Republican. Actually, I’d prefer him to Hillary. And I actually don’t detest Giuliani but I thought he’d stuffed up all along.
160
Ron
Not only has Howardism gone, but Australia gets some self-respect back as the Rudd government acknowledges the pain of indigeous people:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Australia-Aborigines.html?hp
…and we appear like civilised people to the world again.
Howardism crawled back under a small-minded nasty rock again, from whence it came. Pity all it’s adherents don’t do the same, eh?
Rudy has left rhe building but he did say
America is the greatest Country in the world that has ever existed and Americans have built the greatest civilization in history.
and all us Aussies developed was the Hills clothes hoist
KR160
Dont often comment, but am turning 40 on 13th February. Apart from a 3rd daughter due within a day or two of the date, what better present than to feel proud in ones country again.
Should be an allround surreal time!
163
Diogenes
No Dio, he “didn’t ever vote for a tax cut in his life” (except that he did!), and so, ipso facto, based on totally incorrect ‘facts’, he cannot be a ‘moderate’ Republican.
Go figure?
Bizarre, just totally bizarre. But then to see Rudy Giuliani as some sort of ‘moderate’ anything is totally disconnected from reality! No one could be more vindictive, aggresive, self-serving, petty and downright weird as Mr Mayor, but poor deluded Glen was upset that the poor shrinking violet might have been ‘verbally brutalised’!
OMG, it’s like a parallel universe, but everything is in a mirror, and Rudy is sweet and wholesome, and he’ll build a giant fence to save them from all those exploding Mexicans, and the Secret Service will wire tap all non-members of the Rudy Giuliani President for Life Foundation, and anyone who ever voted Democrat will be detained and ‘re-educated’ while their children watch…
OMG, and they let him go! Oh, the humanity!
glen
in light of rudi’s demise and mccains probable nomination,will we have a dem or repub for president
adam
still tipping hill or will the dems infighting etc affect the voters pysche
william
have you tipped anyone (please excuse if you have,just interested in your opinion)
166
Harold
Congrats to you, and congrats to us all!
Who said symbols don’t count? Oh that’s right, the guy who owned all the symbols!
119 Ron. You keep forgetting the Republicans are stone cold motherless broke. The Democrats have a massive war chest. I think it is at least 4 times what George Bush jnr had, and he won because of money!
Glen if you’re still there, I’m sure you would be pleased to know that Ed St J reckons Rudd is going super! Just to make sure beyond any doubt that K07 wins again in 10, we should keep a running tally of all the things the PM does this term in office. So far;
- signed Kyoto Protocol,
- given ACCC more powers to monitor petrol prices,
- plans to withdraw troops from Iraq,
- given hospitals more cash to cut waiting lists,
- acting on assisting the homeless,
- will unite people by saying sorry for stolen generation.
Bloody hell, that’s more than what Coconut had done in his last term already. 100+ seats in the next election, here we go!
Further to 170, the Republicans are deserting a sinking ship. Scandal is the main reason.
well done Harold
On this site we have 2 Libs…glen a supporter of the failed Rudy whose claim to fame is his extreme views on border refugees & the closet Lib pompous Toff
3 daughters Harold , you’ll have your hands full when they’re in their early teens
172
Chris B
And now that Rush and Ann (Rush-Ann Roulette anyone?) are firing away at MCain, you kind of wait for the explosion if they manage to do anything but shoot blanks. But rest assured they’ll keep plugging away until election day!
Gotta love it! Best show on earth!
Thanks Ron, They call it comeuppance!
And I have been here long enough to know our 2 Libs. All credit to them to still be here i say, although i think one is starting to waiver.
Glen: I’m always bemused at how you supported Senior Citizen Howard at 68 but not Senior Citizen McCain at 71.
In fact: from 158
Why didn’t I hear you saying?
‘What a shame the Liberals are going to back a Senior Citizen for the Whitehouse and not a genuine moderate Liberal that could of won them the election in November. ‘
That would have been consistent.
You could have also taken your next quote (at 158) straight from your after election comments.
‘Howard’s tactics weren’t at fault especially since he was trashed from the start of the primaries by all the mass media except the Ex-Government Gazette. I blame the media more than anything else as they and the pundits couldnt be proved wrong in trashing his strategy so they starved his campaign of air time and when they did report on him it was all negative.’
Refusing to accept fault and blaming others, at least that’s consistent.
Ooh on review of this evening’s posts it seems the Pekinese is snarlier than the Maltese. Guess we can tell which one has been neutered and which one is still “intact”.
The Specials with ‘A Message for You Rudy’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGDQ85Dg-ss
Must be abit stuffy in a closet but like all mice they venture into the real world before scurrying back to the ‘dark side’
and alas for little Johnnie , Rudd has now taken over commentary on cricket …
a daily reminder for the man who lost his own seat & with it his legacy
Gee, some people are sceptics. After all the dragon slaying attempts on Kev, who was equally accused of false promise, what is the problem?
America could hardly be in a worse situation, after decades, decades of allowing the ordinary person to slide into such parlous and perilous personal situations.
At what personal cost, for those whose families and children are constantly engaged, as combatants for America, in war, death, mutilation, expense. At what personal expense for those who can barely live?
I find it difficult to imagine that an ordinary American could continue to contemplate, trust or retain any faith in the Republican way, as represented by the potential leadership, of any candidate.
The youtube Columbia SC, Obama speech represents, invites, stirs, hope. A chance, potential. Thanks to the poster/s, here and elsewhere. I was moved.
Who could fail to be stirred? How is that Obama is able to bring Americans to the voting booth? A singular event.
This is about hope. It is Kennedyesque. I cannot remember if JFK made policy promises, I do remember the tenor of it. Black? And there is the ‘how black’ thing, inasmuch as America deals. Does it matter? Kennedy was against the odds as a Catholic. Did it matter? In the ultimate. No.
Sometimes people go with promise. Especially when every and previous promise is unfailingly unfulfilled.
I remain with Obama. I would consider it a great loss for not only the USA, but the rest of us, if he were not to succeed.
Off topic but possum has a new post showing the Libs as losing more state seats than the nats in recent years, also linked to LP.
Steve , possum’s thread is stating the obvious.
of course the Libs have lost most of the seats…..in metropolitan areas
The Nats have been left with mostly have safe rural seats…the rest are lost
Correction on my part, William. Shall I post again?
Whilst we weren’t paying attention, the US military started to go on the offensive again this month, and subsequently, the US death toll is 37, against 23 for December. Of course, paying Sunni’s to fight someone else (ie Jihadis, Salafists and “al Qaeda”) was only ever going to be a stop gap measure. A ‘commercial break’ if you will, as they are actually paying them about $250/month, to join the ‘Awakening’. (Their corpses, or worse, body parts, keep turning up in alarming numbers with attached notes about being traitors).
McCain, let’s not forget, has staked his entire credibility on his backing the ’surge’, like it was some mythical fountain of victory, and the hard reality is that Iraq is highly unstable, armed, violent, and deeply engaged in a fight to the death between numerous sectarian groups.
McCain is on a highwire act, and could get a very rude shock if someone even so much as bumps the nitroglycerine.
By god, did these guys over invest in a Liberal/Howard victory…
http://www.cafepress.com/election07
Any suggestions on excesss stock, glen?
Agree KR , Iraq will end in US failure…the only question is when
the chaos will increase whenever the sunni or the shia decide
171 – Centre
A few more early achievements:
Rudd has also taken up residence in The Lodge saving the taxpayer mega bucks…he’s also established a team to look at national educational standards…he’s resisted the temptation to slaughtered those senior public servants who had become far too close to the previous government…he has convened the first of many sittings of cabinet outside of Canberra – the list could go on.
In the meantime Nelson and the Libs are still suffocating in the stink left by Howard. The stink is in their clothes and hair – it’s in their nostrils and fills their lungs and they hardly notice. Fancy still trying to defend the rat’s decision to not apologise to the stolen generation. They have no shame.
All this and parliament doesn’t sit for two more weeks. More action than a whole year of life under the Libs.
Steve you have shown no sympathy for Lord Nelson at all
#158
Glen said:
Another view is expressed in a Politico article which focussed more of the inability of Giuliani to leverage the political capital gained from 9/11 as opposed to dredging the event and promoting fear and uncertainty to a population that has moved on.
The last paragraph in the article is telling:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8200.html
185
Ron
I’ve got a secret for you…(sssh, lean over, and I’ll whipser it, but promise not to tell anyone, ok?)
Very quietly…they’ve actually already ‘lost’ it! In fact, except in the mind of Dick Cheney and George Bush (note use of the singular!), it was never theirs, there was no “Mission Accomplished” or “slam dunk” or “cakewalk” or flowers thrown over their tanks. The stark reality is they walked into something for which they were completely unprepared, despite the deafening warnings that were given to them.
Now, don’t tell, ok?
188
davidoff
Stop that! Stop that this instant!
You’re trying to ‘verbally brutalise’ Rudy! You…you…you monster!!!!
My aborted or still in detention post, subject, my Obama love in, cannot appear, unless William releases it. I have no copy, and it was as impassioned as one could have done at time of night. It is just that I inadvertently posted under my own name, so I assume WB is checking or something.
Anyway, KR and others, it was intended to support Obama, hope, and to sketch a small expose of my understanding of Americans, or anyone really, no longer prepared to hear the eternal, unfulfilled promises. The complete drag on individual hope, beyond all endeavour.
To draw a parallel with the sudden sceptics, who previousely supported Kev, despite the claims of those who reckoned he had no policy.
Hope is a method.
#77
Point of order – we are taking about Barack Obama here – there is no need for spin. Here he is appearing at the American University on January 28th with Patrick, Caroline, and Ted Kennedy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gF6ElJO8Kc
193
Crikey Whitey
Don’t fret Whitey, I know the feeling! I too can feel this awful Groundhog day coming, with Hill and Bill trying to get back into the Whitehouse and so many people, sickened nearly unto death by Idiot George II, the grinning chimp, whose severely retarded presidency has all but buggered their country in so many ways, just cannot pull the lever for the 90’s again.
A hard choice, and god knows there’ll be heaps of them who angiush over it, but in the end, they’ll baulk at letting that tag team, fangs bared, whirling and dervishing everywhere, knocking over the vases, smashing through people’s lives left right and centre, while all the time playing the victim, and ultimately they will pull that lever for McCain.
God help America, god knows they’ll need it!
Breaking – Edwards out, no endorsement announced as yet.
IMO Bad news for those of us supporting Obama unless there is an explicit endorsement prior to tuesday.
#196
Erytnicam
Do you have a link?
Ouch!
US GDP numbers are dreadful:
The gross domestic product, the broadest measure of the nation’s economic activity, grew at an annual rate of 0.6%, adjusted for inflation, in the fourth quarter, according to the Commerce Department, down from 4.9% in the final reading of growth in the third quarter. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast GDP would slow to a 1.2%.
http://thepage.time.com/ Here david
Here:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Edwards.html
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