Voting has begun in today’s Florida primaries, the last to be held before Super Tuesday apart from Republican caucuses in Maine on Saturday. For refusing to play by the rules of the parties’ national committees, Florida has been stripped of the 210 delegates it would normally send to the Democratic national convention, along with half of its 114 Republican delegates. All 57 of the Republican delegates will be pledged to the winning candidate, whereas the Democratic primary amounts to nothing more than an opinion poll. Polls show John McCain and Mitt Romney neck-and-neck in the Republican race, with Rudy Giuliani looking very unlikely to pull off his Florida-first strategy.
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smile -
we’re onto it on the Fran thread.
Iraq -
over One Million dead since the invasion.
And Hillary cannot deny her support for it initially, so I wonder whether this appalling figure will sear into the minds of the demecrat voters who are unsure about Obama, but who want nothing to do with those with blood on their hands.
Georgie Boy turns over a new leaf, and the other cheek. Perhaps he really is a Christian after all.
“It’s in our country’s interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm’s way.”
Washington DC; April 28, 2005
#246 – Of Human Frailties
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Rasmussen Reports telephone survey.
So the question is – will the Edwards pool (9% of voters) give Obama the 3% to cap Cinton?
Government, whoops, opposition gazette running an online poll re the “Sorry” announcement, overwelmingly in favour. There is hope yet for Australia, has also received favourable comment in major newspapers overseas.
I’ll bet that ben Bernanke is now regretting all those years of being Alan (the “Maestro”) Greenpsan’s ‘yes man’.
It got his bum on the Chairman’s chair, but he ain’t ‘da man’:
But Fed officials were already under fire from investors and analysts on Wall Street who complained that the Fed had responded too timidly to signs of a downturn, and from a small but significant number of economists who complained that policy makers were being pushed by the stock market into rash decisions.
…oh dear, the Sorcerer’s apprentice is swirling around in the waves and just cannot make it all just stop and go away.
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/california/election_2008_california_democratic_presidential_primary
It’s a 3 point contest in California with Obama leading amongst white voters.
Silly white voters, don’t they know they are meant to vote based on race!
Davidoff @ 255 – I reckon that is the big question overall now. The poll trend is towards Obama, so if Edwards’ support swings behind Obama big time – perhaps with a grand endorsement from Edwards – the underdog could still breast the tape.
#259
Yep – California represents about 22% of the Super Tuesday action.
Another Republican defects to the Obama camp – but this one does it with a suite of recommendations.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/ravisilva/CGBbB
If its Clinton vs McCain, McCain will win hands down.
If its McCain vs Obama, Obama will probably win.
Welcome aboard the Obama wagon of hope, Glen.
Pity Al Gore is not in the field but with Nader not in the field as well guess can not complain
Oh, so this is what Bill’s been doing lately. Greasing the wheels with unsavoury dictators and letting the benefactors become, well, his benefactors. Bill helps Mr Giustra to the big table:
Upon landing on the first stop of a three-country philanthropic tour, the two men were whisked off to share a sumptuous midnight banquet with Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent.
Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy. Mr. Clinton’s public declaration undercut both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan’s poor human rights record by, among others, Mr. Clinton’s wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.
Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstan’s state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.
The monster deal stunned the mining industry, turning an unknown shell company into one of the world’s largest uranium producers in a transaction ultimately worth tens of millions of dollars to Mr. Giustra, analysts said.
…the whole story is here, but you get the idea pretty clearly already:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?hp
…but in case you cannot guess how it turns out, here’s the fairy tale ending:
Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.
…’privileges’ is such a nice way of doing deals with Kazak heavies, ain’t it?
(By the way, a mate just back from there, doing architectural work, tells me the locals all have bootlegged copies of Borat, and they ‘get’ it!)
Big call Glen.
glen
why do you think obama will win
kr
please take some immodium as i think you are suffering from verbal diarrhoea
(and approx 1/3 of all words on this blog issue from your orifice)
267
gusface
Thanks Gus, maybe that you could change your nic too.
Try: gus(shutya)face
That oughta work!
As I don’t seem to recall any need for you to be so rude, I’ll just call it quits, is that OK ,or do you actually have something to say that’s not a gratuitous insult?
Well?
It sure is ESJ but Hillary is the most divisive candidate out there. She cant win over Independents as McCain can and nearly half the population wouldnt vote for her under any circumstances. Also her and Bill’s antics during the primaries leave much for the Republicans to exploit. Plus her nomination would galvanise and rejuvenize the Republicans something that would not occur should Obama win the nomination.
Hillary wont win the deep south or any States there and i seriously doubt her ability to win swing states like Florida and Ohio and even Pennsylvania. I cant see NY or CA changing hands though.
Obama would probably trounce McCain given the age difference, but it would make it an interesting election given it would be experience vs younger generation.
Kirribilli,
There seems to be a lot of pots calling kettles black here.
Can you advise who died and put you in charge of editorial standards.
We need to start a book (centre?)
Cos I will put money on that bet Glen… two-up style…all in the pot, winner takes all… my bet’s with you Glen…$100 on the white chick …(all moneys to be donated) to billbowes constant ruthless demands for help with expenses
270
Greeensborough Growler
When someone comes on, and out of the blue tells you you’re talking through your ‘orifice’, then can we assume they’re asking for an answer?
Did I say anything about ‘editorial standards’? Or gratuitous personal attacks?
The latter, actually.
I type, but its funny for me to imagine someone (gusface?) sitting there talking to his computer one syllable at a time as he types desperately imagining that it’s real human contact.
Mac, it’s real for the ‘droids!
On another subject, I’ve been watching the forums they’re running on Jim Lehrer’s NewsHour on some states to vote Feb5, and they get a cross-section of the community and chat about their issues.
I’ve seen the one from NJ and yesterday was Minnesota, and I have to say the personal stories are sometimes pretty disturbing, Watching the old white guy choke up about having to lose his health insurance after he retired and could not keep up with the rising rates, and then having to ‘beg’ for ‘charity’ when he got sick. There’s a lot of it like that. Another, much younger man had to go to hospital with a ruptured appendix, spent 10 days there and copped a bill for…(wait for it) $65,000. He was lucky, his insurance paid out, BUT, only up to $55,000 and now this student has another millstone around his neck.
It’s pretty eye-popping stuff, and you’d be a stone not to feel for them.
(sorry about the lengthy post, but it’s been on my mind all day, and you know, my ‘orifice’ is just flowing over!)
kr
‘oh the humanity”
sorry that you are so STROPpy but i was only hoping to help in your obvious quest to shorten ,to at least a pithy comment,your diatribes
anyway enjoy most of your posts just pointing out that ongoing vendettas and voluminous contributions (i feel) do not a good blogger make
No wuckers Gus, just some days there’s just so much to rant against!
I hate that newshour is behind by a day and that we don’t get the international edition of the daily show any more. Also that Newstopia is no longer on. *sigh*
On the plus side, Good News Week is coming back!
Mac, I watch the daily show on the net… coz I’m truly tragic!
Curse my lax internet speeds and my inherent loathing for buffering times – or is it embedded video like youtube?
OK, Kirri, so you’re a tragic, tell us about it, don’t be shy, when did you first realise that you had a…errrr…..habit?
Gee I was impressed the way you paused to take the kids for an outing, the beach I think, a couple of days ago.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23137409-601,00.html
Bet they are not smart enough to try it.
KR,
Your bullying indignation is really starting to get up a few noses.
Gratuitous sledges are what makes the blogosphere go round. Have you considered that the personal invective is other bloggers telling you to say what you want to say and get out of the way so they can play too.
270 odd posts and 100 plus are yours. How much of your free basing pychotherapy sessions do we have to endure?
All you are doing is filling band width and making the blog inaccessible. No one wants to turn PB into a tumbleweed of piffle and self righteous self indulgence.
Seriously, you are right up their with Van Der Craats and his Senate Watch contributions of meaningless waffle and opinionated inanities.
KR
I agree, you are getting a wee bit stroppy.
Well KR-
I love reading your blogs, and appreciate the fact that you do much to keep these threads going when it’s a slow news day.
glen
“Obama would probably trounce McCain given the age difference, but it would make it an interesting election given it would be experience vs younger generation” is it that simple? any other issues you feel would sway voters
kr
cheers (the orifice i was refering too was your mouth,if i meant your arse i would said it )
Erytnicam -sorry if i offended you-dont know how but sorry anyhow
general question-why would mccain beat obama (my view is that it would be too close to call)
282 – You are wrong, and this blog should not be like other blogs. Posts like yours are precisely as guilty as what you accuse KR of doing and precisely what I am doing in response.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If two people on this blog disagree with each other, exchange private messenger contact details and have it out with handbags at dawn in privacy so the rest of us are not exposed to the shallow melodrama of warring with anonymous cyberpersons. God knows William isn’t paying hosting fees to enable anyones own private chest beating to alleviate whatever inadequacies they feel will be relieved through such posturing.
Now, to make this post less guilty than other posts, I wonder whether this blog will be offering the one SUper tuesday post, two for repubs and democrats, or (unlikely) 20 odd for each of the states. or perhaps an IRC channel.
285 – you didnt, i just felt like flexing my ego like every other insecure person on this blog :p
And McCain currently beats Obama on name recognition, in a general campaign the current numbers are worse than irrelevant, they are misleading.
I hoe you are wrong g face.
The thought of McCain (or any repug) in the whitehouse after this clown is truly awful. Surely surely Americans must be ready to give them what they deserve, and get rid of all the old guard. That includes HillBill, of course.
Good evening all.
Well….Glen has given the kiss of death to both Grandpa and Obama. Looks like it’s Hillary all the way back to the White House.
Geez GG…looks like your earning your surname tonight (@ 282)
hope.
Growler -
comparing Kirribilli to SenateWatch is surely hyperbole itself.
Not to mention v. insulting.
Jen,
When are you posting that photo you promised us way back when?
Sheesh -
some of you are really spoiling for a fight tonight.
A girl! On the INTERNET! Inconceivable!
Truth though, every girl on the internet is really an 85 year old albanian man true story a friend told me once
Who says i’m a girl?
295
Bugger.
You’ve blown my cover.
Well I am willing to accept you are a girl just a girl with views common in down-town Tirana circa 1985.
If I ever have a male child I will call him Jen or Tiffany for the sole purpose of being able to mislead internet posters later on in life. I look forward to them hating me thoroughly.
That is a truly disturbing comment 299.
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