5.00pm. Missouri now being called for McCain, who leads Huckabee and Romney 33.1 per cent to 31.8 per cent and 29.3 per cent. Democratic contest still too close to call in Missouri, but Obama holds a slight lead and the trend has been favouring him for some time.
4.44pm. Fox calls Alaska for Obama. Slow progress in New Mexico.
4.36pm. Everyone now calling Arizona for Clinton.
4.25pm. Fox and ABC call Colorado for Romney.
4.23pm. CBS, Fox and ABC (though not CNN) calling McCain for California.
4.21pm. Obama has hit the lead in Missouri, 49.3 per cent to 48.7 per cent with 98 per cent reporting, after a number of outlets earlier called it for Clinton. Given that Democratic delegates are allocated proportionately, this is mostly of academic interest. Not so the state’s Republican race, a winner-takes-all contest in which McCain leads Huckabee and Romney 33.3 per cent to 32.0 per cent and 29.5 per cent, also with 98 per cent reporting. Fox and ABC are calling it for McCain, but not CNN.
4.13pm. NBC and Fox are both calling California for Clinton.
4.12pm. CBS calls Montana for Romney.
3.56pm. CNN now calling Utah for Obama: he leads 53-41 with 37 per cent reporting.
3.50pm. No significant results yet from Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego or Sacramento.
3.38pm. Clinton leads 55-33 in California with 10 per cent counted, but pronounced regional variations can presumably be expected from a state that boasts both Malibu and Compton.
3.37pm. CNN calling Minnesota for Romney.
3.32pm. Fox’s call of Utah for Obama might also have been premature (I heard it on Fox News Radio; not sure it ever appeared as called on the website). Only 13 per cent reporting and Obama leads 45-44. Presumably the Fox call was based on an exit poll.
3.29pm. Clinton leads 51-40 in Arizona with 48 per cent reporting, but nobody’s calling it.
3.25pm. Fox’s call of Tennessee for Huckabee may have been premature (they’re still saying it on Fox News Radio, but not on the website). He leads McCain 34.1 per cent to 32.4 per cent with 83 per cent of precincts reporting.
3.20pm. McCain gaining on Huckabee in Missouri: now 33-32-29, compared with 35-32-27 half an hour ago.
3.15pm. Fox calls Idaho for Obama and Missouri for Clinton.
3.15pm. Fox calls Colorado for Obama.
3.10pm. Fox says Clinton wins American Samoa, and Romney wins Montana.
3.03pm. Fox News Radio reports McCain doing better than Romney in California from absent votes, but Romney doing better in normal votes. Clinton just ahead of Obama.
3.00pm. Also not sure why nobody giving Romney North Dakota, where he leads McCain, Paul and Huckabee 36-23-21-20.
2.58pm. Not sure why nobody calling Montana for Romney: he leads McCain, Paul and Huckabee 36-24-23-17 with 89 per cent of precincts reporting.
2.53pm. Nobody calling Missouri Democratic either, but Clinton leads 53-44 with 68 per cent of precincts reporting.
2.48pm. No one is calling the Missouri Republican race: Huckabee leads McCain and Romney 35-32-27 with 66 per cent precincts reporting.
2.46pm. A couple of outlets calling Georgia for Huckabee.
2.38pm. Fox calls Arizona for McCain and Tennessee for Huckabee.
2.29pm. Fox calls Utah for Obama.
2.25pm. Minnesota being called for Obama, who seems to be picking up a lot of the smaller states. Expectations he would perform well in caucuses have apparently been confirmed, boding well for him in Colorado and Idaho.
2.21pm. Fox News Radio and CNN call Connecticut for Obama.
2.15pm. Huckabee giving a speech, and not sounding of a mind to withdraw.
2.14pm. ABC calls Kansas for Obama.
2.08pm. Fox calls Oklahoma for McCain.
2.06pm. ABC also calling Utah for Romney; no surprise of course that he should carry the Mormon state.
2.03pm. Fox News projects Obama as winner of North Dakota, giving him seven states to Clinton’s six, and Utah to Romney.
1.44pm. Romney coming third behind Huckabee in many more places than expected. Almost time to call the nomination for McCain, pending one or two larger states.
1.31pm. CNN, ABC and Fox News Radio say Obama has won Alabama, which was lineball in late polling.
1.21pm. Fox calls Alabama for Huckabee.
1.18pm. Chap on Fox News Radio says McCain has won New York.
1.09pm. Fox calls Delaware for Obama.
1.07pm. CNN calls New York for Clinton, which is no surprise.
12.55pm. Fox calls Massachusetts for Clinton.
12.54pm. Chat on Fox News Radio indicates McCain is looking very good overall.
12.50pm. Winner-takes-all Republican contest for Delaware called for McCain, which was considered likely but not certain.
12.44pm. Arkansas being called for Huckabee, who is clearly doing better than expected.
12.36pm. Tennessee also called for Clinton, which was expected.
12.35pm. CNN calls Arizona for Clinton and Huckabee. The latter would be a big surprise if accurate; polls had Clinton with only a narrow lead.
12.29pm. The Times on Democratic exit polls:
The AP survey’s findings, leaked to The Times tonight before polls closed, should be treated with caution because they have been wrong before. But the early findings showed Mr Obama winning Georgia by 74 points to 25, Alabama by 59 to 37, Illinois by 69 to 29 and Delaware by 55 to 42. He also had narrower leads, possibly within the margin of error, in New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Missouri. The poll indicated Mrs Clinton was leading by seven points in New York – less than expected – and Tennessee where she had an 11 point advantage, according to the poll. In Oklahoma and Arkansas she was shown as more than 30 points ahead. In California, she is shown just ahead, by perhaps as little as three percentage points.
12.13pm. CNN is also calling Illinois for Obama and Oklahoma for Clinton on the basis of exit polling, though these of course are not winner-takes-all contests. On the Republican side, Illinois (district-level PR), Connecticut (winner takes all) and New Jersey (winner takes all) are being called for McCain, and Massachusetts (two-tier PR) for Romney. All of this is consistent with pre-poll expectations.
11.33am. Further to the previous entry: The Raw Story tells us “Geraghty’s leaks of exit poll data have not always proved accurate. For instance, his information before New Hampshire polls closed showed Senator Barack Obama defeating Senator Hillary Clinton.”
11.23am. More on exit polls from Jim Geraghty at the National Review:
The early wave in California: McCain 40 percent, Romney 36 percent, Huckabee 10 percent. Fascinating and fun as it is, I remind my readers that this doesn’t tell us that much, as we don’t know what the district-by-district breakdown is. Also, there are three million absentee votes that I’m pretty sure are not included in this. So while these numbers are nice to hear for McCain fans, I take them with even more caution, skepticism and grains of salt than usual. Missouri: Romney 34 percent, McCain 32 percent, Huckabee 25 percent. Winner take all. If these numbers hold – and these are early voters, the later waves may change the final a bit — it’s a big, big win for Romney. Georgia: Huckabee 34 percent, Romney 31 percent, McCain 30 percent. Now on to the NYC-metro-area states: New York: McCain 46, Romney 35, Huckabee 10 percent. New Jersey: McCain 48 percent, Romney 35, Huckabee 9 percent. Connecticut: McCain 50 percent, Romney 32 percent, Huckabee 7 percent. More or less what we expected. Now the big Mitt states: The early wave in Utah: Romney 91 percent, McCain 5 percent, Huckabee 1 percent. I think I’m ready to call that one. Massachusetts: Romney 54, McCain 35. But in McCain’s home state… Arizona: McCain 44, Romney 39, Huckabee 8. That’s a heck of a lot closer than I had expected. On to the South, where the numbers at this point look good for Huckabee… Alabama: Huckabee 42 percent, McCain 33 percent, Romney 20 percent. Tennessee: Huckabee 34, McCain 28, Romney 23. Arkansas: Huckabee 33, McCain 21, Romney 19. Oklahoma: McCain 34, Huckabee 32, Romney 27. A barnburner! Delaware: Romney 43, McCain 34, Huckabee 18. Not a big state, but it’s winner take all, so I’m sure Team Romney would take it. Illinois: McCain 47, Romney 31, Huckabee 15.
11.14am. Various media outlets calling Georgia for Obama purely on the basis of exit polls.
11.10am. Jason Zengerle at New Republic on exit polls:
The perils of posting these are obvious (President Kerry and all that), but the exit poll results that I’ve seen show: Obama trouncing Hillary in Georgia, Alabama, and Illinois; Hillary trouncing Obama in Arkansas and Oklahoma; Hillary with leads in New York and Tennessee; and Obama with leads in Delaware and Utah (although there’s only one wave of exit polls for Utah). Everywhere else–including Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Arizona, and California–is extremely close.
8.20am (Eastern Australian daylight time). This post will be used to cover today’s Super Tuesday developments, though I don’t promise that my coverage will be greatly timely or comprehensive. We’ll see how we go. The action will begin in earnest when polls in most of the eastern states close at 8pm US eastern time – noon eastern Australian daylight time. Polls in all-important California close three hours later. The one conspicuous exception is West Virginia, which uniquely held a state presidential convention today rather than a primary or caucuses. This has already wrapped up, resulting in Mick Huckabee securing the 18 delegates under the winner-takes-all vote. Huckabee won on the second round of voting after trailing Mitt Romney at the first by 464 votes (41 per cent) to 375 (33 per cent), with John McCain on 176 (16 per cent) and Ron Paul on 118 (10 per cent). Paul was then excluded, and at this point McCain’s supporters were reportedly instructed to throw their weight behind Huckabee to thwart Romney. This delivered victory to Huckabee with 567 (51.5 per cent) to Romney’s 521 (47.4 per cent).
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Aussieguru01 Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 1:41 am
“Rodger Ramjet” McCain
touche , appropriate & magic !!
I cant remember the name of the company but have seen an interview of the CEO who hired him and he said quote ” Never in a million years would I picked him for a future US president” – word to that effect!
#849 Aussieguru01
I have to object – that’s not fair on Rodger Ramjet.
Rodger ramjet McCain
Hes our man
HERO of the nation
For his adventures just be sure
& stay tuned to this station.
sorry Davidoff
#854
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rovdLR94-L8
#854
And for the full unencumbered version:
I think I’ve been up too long!
Your a tragic davidoff – LOL
This will stick in the craw. Sir John Howard.
Surgeon Howard. The Bennalongdechtomony.
#820 – MayoFeral & #844 – Robert Bollard: So why is McCain being hoisted as the “American National War Hero”? And I was chastised here last week by some bloggers for daring ask “McCain a war hero? Give me a break”.
The American started on 18/3/69 secret bombing of Cambodia that costing some 300,000 lives, have I seen any annual 9/11 type memorial here? How many died at 9/11 – 3000? So one American live is worth at least 10 times that of a Cambodian live.
Correction #862, “So one American life is worth at least 100 times that of a Cambodian life”
Crikey Whitey @ 831 said:
“Mayoferal, the mysterious case of the nursing home, the votes, and now the Coroner.”
Um. sorry, don’t have a clue what this means
Robert Bollard @ 844
“Hero or psycopath – what do you reckon?”
Firstly, I did the same job in ‘Nam as McCain, so I may have more sympathy for him than most. But he seems to have either not learnt anything from his experiences, or drawn the wrong conclusions.
Unfortunately, while we wish is wasn’t so, sometimes war is necessary. But it should always be the last resort, not the very first thing you do, not only because of the waste of life, but because it’s unpredictable and you can never be sure of the outcome, or its cost. I’ve posted before that Hitler would have died an unknown paper hanger if the Europeans hadn’t decided in to have a themselves a nice little war in 1914 for no other reason than it seemed a jolly good idea at the time.
So McCain’s “Bomb, Bong, Iran” ditty is very disturbing. As is the “we’ll stay in Iraq for a hundred years” crap.
I see Bush as a lazy, incompetent who is psychologically incapable of seeing the world from another’s point of view and having no real concept of what war is. He was, probably still is, very much out of his depth. McCain doesn’t have any of those excuses. Which, IMHO, would make him an even more dangerous POTUS than George.
A psychopath? Probably, not in the medical sense, but I wouldn’t allow him to own a gun!
If anybody is interested, I asked a Dem friend in Florida what she thinks of the disenfranchising of their Delegates, and she replied in part:
” I still get all these emails from the Democratic National Committee about attending house parties for fund raising, things like that, but when you click the links to find one in your area, there are none anywhere within hundreds of miles. I’m guessing that a lot of the faithful Dems in Florida have decided to sit this one out. I mean, when you’ve been told you aren’t invited to the party, it looks kind of desperate to then volunteer to decorate the hall!”
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What really ticks me off though, is being a swing state, we get far more than our fair share of campaigning after August, and will the Dem candidate want our votes then?
I’ve lost most of my enthusiasm for this whole thing. I’m not at all happy with the whole process. I disagree with the electoral college process, its unrepresentative and undemocratic, but you try to work within the system you are given. I would dearly love to see more than two parties participating.
Recently, the two parties really haven’t shown a whole lot of differentiation — just a lot of rich old men who like the status quo. So this year the Dems decide it might be a good idea to run a minority candidate, symbolic of real change in this country, but they pick TWO and then pit them against each other in a lowest-common-denominator “Survivor” type of reality-TV contest!
I find now that I really personally admire McCain for his insistance on sticking to his message, regardless of whether it wins over the fundamentalists. I wish I could see some of that in the Dem candidates or their Party who seem only too happy to mold their message to the audience of the day and forget what their Party is supposed to stand for regardless of the individual candidates. Don’t get me wrong, as a lifelong Democrat I still disagree with McCain’s and the Republican platform. But I sure admire his courage and his integrity.”
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Robert Bollard
Thanks for reminding us what a bloody inhumane and senseless war the AMericans conducted against the Vietnamese.
McCain just feeds off the jingoism, waves the flag for the mindless, and keeps the “War President” badge pinned to his chest for political purposes. He’s sick.
America is its own worst enemy. Sure, there are some militant Muslims who would do them harm, but their numbers are miniscule, (or were, before they decided they could inflict retribution on Iraq) and once again, they inflate a boogey man (remember the USSR? It fell apart under its own contradictions!) whenever they get the chance, so that they can then strut around thumping whoever happens to be standing nearby.
For god’s sake, look at the hysteria they whip themselves into over Cuba! Cuba! You’d think it was the EVIL EMPIRE the way they carry on. A p!ssy little island of no importance, no GDP, no military threat, no hope, and they carry on like it could infect them with a fatal infectious disease if they so much as treated it normally.
Change is coming to America! Whoopeeeeeeeee, it’s about friggin’ time!
Obama’s people have put out a little reminder that he’s da man to take on McCain. Nice of them huh?
“In all six of the most recent general election head-to-head match-ups, Obama does better than Hillary Clinton against McCain by an average of more than five points. In four out of the six, Clinton loses to McCain.”
…and here are the numbers:
Time (Feb 1-4)
Obama 48 (+7)
McCain 41
Clinton 46 (+0)
McCain 46
CNN/Opinion Research (Feb 1-3)
Obama 52 (+8)
McCain 44
Clinton 50 (+3)
McCain 47
Cook Political Report/RT Strategies Poll (Jan 31-Feb 2)
Obama 45 (+2)
McCain 43
Clinton 41 (-4)
McCain 45
ABC/Washington Post (Jan 31-Feb 1)
Obama 49 (+3)
McCain 46
Clinton 46 (-3)
McCain 49
Fox News (Jan 30-31)
Obama 44 (+1)
McCain 43
Clinton 44 (-1)
McCain 45
Rasmussen (2/04-2/07)
Obama: 47 (+5)
McCain: 42
Clinton: 43 (-3)
McCain: 46
#867 – KR – I share your enthusiasm for Obama. But I fear for him. Good man dies young.
Like McCain, Kerry was a ‘war hero’. But McCain, unlike Kerry, has likeability. That is his chief asset. Obama and Clinton may be younger, sharper and less belligerant than McCain, but if middle America likes McCain better, he will probably be the next POTUS.
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The Finnigans @ 862 -
“#820 – MayoFeral & #844 – Robert Bollard: So why is McCain being hoisted as the “American National War Hero”? And I was chastised here last week by some bloggers for daring ask “McCain a war hero? Give me a break”. ”
As I understand it the status is due to him being a POW who heroically resisted torture for 5 years.
My only comment is to note that many US Vietnam veterans don’t have a high opinion of him, mostly because of his attitude to MIAs and partly because they don’t believe he’s done enough to help them.
“The American started on 18/3/69 secret bombing of Cambodia that costing some 300,000 lives, have I seen any annual 9/11 type memorial here? How many died at 9/11 – 3000? So one American live is worth at least 10 times that of a Cambodian live.”
Only some American lives. The lives of the 3,000+ American kids under 16 killed by guns every year apparently don’t count for much. At least not enough to fix the problem by restricting gun availability.
KR @ 866 – just a *ditto* with Robert @ 844 on the heroes, victims and villains thread – as Robert’s in-laws story highlights, the definition of these roles, does often depend where you happened to be standing at the time.
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My English mother, served in WW2 and gained an impressive suite of medals, (including being the first brit woman to be awarded combat service medals etc), but that aside, she served in London during the Blitz, but it left her, amongst other things, with a life-long disgust with America in the post-war years, as displayed by those appalling post-war “heroic” Hollywood movies.
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The other night, I watched Mike Moore’s doco “Sicko” and he mentioned in one scene about the London Blitz, and he said “Imagine how we felt as a nation after Sep 11, now imagine Sep 11 happening every morning, noon or night for 8 or 9 months..”
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But such displays of heroism as propaganda, seem to be making a comeback in pop culture, the 1970s saw the ‘War-is-Hell’ movies, reversing the previous “War-is-Heroic-Adventure’ theme (complete with glitzy MGM musical scores), replaced with gritty blood & gore realism, the dark mood-lighting, and themes of not being very heroic at all, not Man-in-his-Finest-Hour, but Man-in-his-Darkest-Hour….. only to come full circle in the 1990s with a return to the adolescent testosterone triggers of heroic adventure in games, action movies and tear-jerking raising the flags at Iwo Jima, Operation Desert Storm etc etc etc..
This “reversal” was brought home to me, when the movie Starship Troopers was first released, I remember reading the original story over 30 years ago, understanding it was meant to be anti-war black satire, and highly controversial in the post-war patriotic McCarthyist years, but that message was all but completely “lost” on the 1990s generation of cinema audiences.
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868 The Finnigans I share your sentiment. But I am also worried about what they will try to do to Hillary. When Bill was elected, I kept saying to people they will try to knock him off. They didn’t. They used other tactics. The Starr chamber. Only time will tell what they will try.
#870 – MayoFeral – I never have problem with heroic men and women who had to go to the war for whatever reason. I don’t even know if I have the same courage if I have to go to the war. There are no “heroes” in war. They are victims, from both sides.
So my problem was never to do with McCain as a person. My problem has always been that he has been paraded around as “National Vietnam War Hero”, in particular as a political badge.
Looking at Macca’s response to getting the nomination sewn up after Romney quit (who incidentally says he still has POTUS aspirations), he is trying VERY hard to move to the right to console the inconsolable neocons and fundies. I’m not sure how successful he will be. That “straight talking” bull s*it might keep coming up. Either way, this is good news for Billary because it allows her to badge herself as “change”, when she was previously seen as Macca-lite. Obama never had that problem.
And on “Is McCain a War Hero?”
Here is an article titled “Is McCain a War Hero?”. I should add that the conclusions of the psychiatrist who bucketed Macca, Dr Fernando Barral, are discredited. I don’t think Macca is a sadistic narcissist at all. At bit histrionic maybe though.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1999-03-25/news/is-john-mccain-a-war-hero/full
Interesting article
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120241915915951669.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
A couple of things
fistly. I think Billary is in a little trouble. A new poll from the state of Virginia has Obama well ahead. Obama 59 Hillary 39. Changing demographics has made this one of the most important states after Ohio for the democrats in November. It is also delegate rich and with D.C on the same day (Not sure what Maryland will do), should prove a decisive day leading into march 4.
http://www.wtvr.com/global/story.asp?s=7843593
Off subject a little. The TEC has made its initial proposal for changes in the Tasmanian legislative council’s boundries.
http://www.electoral.tas.gov.au/pages/LegislativeRedistribution.html
McCain is a war hero by any sensible definiton of the term.
Plenty of policies I don’t agree with, but definitely a war hero.
I don’t often agree with Rush Limbaugh but this really is going too far! I believe the term Dawkins uses is “child abuse” for this kind of brain-washing, which he applies to religion but this counts just as well IMHO.
http://www.littledemocrats.net/aboutthebook.html
On the other side of US politics, Lynne Cheney wife of Dick published ‘America: A Patriotic Primer’, a beautifully-illustrated picture book which celebrates the many virtues of America, eg:
G is for God in whom we trust
Q is for America’s Quest for the new, the far, and the very best.
Z is the end of the alphabet, but not of America’s story. Strong and free, we will continue to be an inspiration to the world.
I reckon this is even more dangerous than the Little Democrats number because it seems so innocent, just a patriotic book for kids, but pushes a very narrow and exclusive line about what America is like.
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Rain
Nice post Rain, and your Mum sounds like a right legend.
You’re also right about the strange fascination that the US has with war, like some right of passage to purity and transfiguration, rather than the ugly eruption it really is. Even one of the British royals got into trouble the other day for bagging Bush by saying that he hadn’t learned anything from our Imperial history!
It’s true, unfortunately, or tragically, depending on where you are standing.
There is an historical argument that many aggressive dictators were born on the outskirts of the countries they came to rule. They were considered outsiders who never really belonged in their country and suffered as a result as children, which they more than made up for in latter life. This applies as a minimum to Hitler (born in upper Austria rather than Germany), Stalin (born in Georgia not Russia), Napoleon (Corsica not France) and Alexander the Great (Macedonia not Greece).
John McCain was born in Panama and spent his childhood traveling around Naval bases, including Pearl Harbor around the time it was bombed. His fairly extreme hawkishness could fit with the foreign policy aims of his other outsider colleagues. I’m beginning to wonder if there might be something to the theory…
Ann Coulter has to be considered a candidate for a mental health diagnosis, vide her latest rantings as reported by Huffington:
“A serious case could be made to support Hillary Clinton,” she declared, offering the analogy of Winston Churchill backing Stalin in the fight against Hitler in WWII. “I’m not equating Hillary Clinton to Stalin, and if I did I apologize to Stalin’s decedents… I’m not comparing McCain to Hitler. Hitler had a coherent tax policy.” Later, she added, “The only way I can promise that I won’t vote for Hillary Clinton is if John McCain appoints her as his vice president.”
Can’t be too long to wait for the men in white coats now
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Diogenes
Apres beat me to it, but imagine, if you will, the Republican version:
Daddy is a Republican:
Because he likes to win.
Because he likes to keep America white.
Because he likes to talk tough about illegal immigrants.
Because he likes to employ Mexicans for $5/hour.
Because he likes to get rich, especially employing Mexicans
Because he likes to talk tough about war.
Because he likes to send poor people’s kids to war.
Because he likes to be seen as uprighteous and God fearing.
Because he likes to be ‘pro life’.
Because he likes to stop poor third world people having contraception.
Because he likes to tell everyone on the planet how to live.
Oh yeah, but Mummy is a Democrat who wants to stop climate change, but Daddy would slap her around if he found out.
Good night, sweet dreams.
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Basil Fawlty
Poor Ann, mad she-whippette, rabid, frothing, and surely she must be put down, it’s the only humane solution! LOL
(Sweet Jesu, she’s the full fruitcake, or at least a complete caricature of one!)
Huckabee will never get the Republican endorsement for the same reason Pauline Hanson never led the National Party. If McCain loses Romney is their likely 2012 candidate I think. What happended to Romney, maybe he is really is one of those ‘9/11 changed everything’ people.
KR #884
A cynical version would conclude: “Mother secretly votes Democrat because she’s sick of Father slapping her around, and under the misapprehension that the US has a two party system.”
The NY Times does some journalism and talks to Obama’s classmates, and dig round about his ‘drug’ use, and basically, none of his group or his teachers, every saw him in that light.
Interesting, because we all know how Bush hid his past (badly), so Obama, by openly talking about it is in a very different position.
An interesting read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/us/politics/09obama.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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Robert Bollard
LOL, how dare she? Doesn’t she know who Karl Rove is? (or, ‘was’!)
Bush rallies the troops at the Conservative Political Action Conference:
“Listen, the stakes in November are high,” Mr. Bush told the boisterous audience in Washington. “This is an important election. Prosperity and peace are in the balance.”
…and considering that they have neither ‘prosperity’ nor ‘peace’, I’d say he’s right!
Don’t you love the way they just invert the meaning of language?
880 apres- I suppose that L is for lynching.
To make up for that appalling slight on the Repugs, I read somewhere that they are very proud of having been the “civil rights” party, rather than the Dems. I found it hard to believe and looked into it and found it was sort of true, at least at the start.
“Abraham Lincoln is the founder of the Republican party. It started and continues to bring equality for all. The Republican party ended slavery, passed civil rights which the Democrat house and senate opposed, continues to treat all people as equal instead of dividing them based on race, gender, religion, etc.”
If McCain was born in Panama, how is he eligible to stand for President?
Oh no, Diogenes, nothing so tasteles:
L is for Lincoln, our sixteenth president, who guided our nation during the Civil War. He was determined that we would continue to be a single nation.
(however, the single nation of The Patriotic Primer is white, repug and Xian), and:
R is for the Rights we are guaranteed.
The illustrations for ‘R’ include a picture of two modern children admiring a statue of a young soldier with the caption ‘Right to keep and bear arms’
“880 apres- I suppose that L is for lynching.”
Diogenes, that’s absolutely correct.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs
892 Phil – because Panama was an american territory at the time, I could be wrong but I think it was Carter who gave it back in the what? late 70s?
Phil Robins @ 892, his father was an Admiral in the USN, so would assume he was born on a Navy Base, which would be part of the US.
From Wikipedia:
McCain was born on August 29, 1936, at the Coco Solo Air Base in the then-American-controlled Panama Canal Zone[1] to Admiral John S. “Jack” McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912). His father and grandfather were United States Navy admirals,[2] and were the first father-son pair to both achieve four-star admiral rank.[3] His grandfather, Admiral John S. “Slew” McCain, Sr., was a pioneer of aircraft carrier strategy[4] who commanded all carrier forces in the Pacific Ocean theater of World War II, and led American forces into epic actions such as the Battle of Leyte Gulf, dying four days after the conclusion of that war.[3] His father was a submarine commander[3] decorated with both the Silver Star and Bronze Star.[4] McCain has Scots-Irish ancestry.[5]
If by the end of April, Hillary and Obama are still tied, say about 1600 each. The Dems can easily solve the deadlock by holding a primary among the 800 Superdelegates, winner takes all. So one of them will have more than the 2025 required. Game, set and match.
It could be one helluva Democratic Convention this year, shades of 1968?
Actually, there has been some speculation that there could be a legal challenge to McCain not being eligible to be POTUS based on his place of birth. I think Andrew Robb has offered the expertise of his Google skills on the matter of candidate legitimacy. (OMG Just remember the empty feeling for a few hours when that came out, one of the low points of the election for me).
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