5.00pm. Missouri now being called for McCain, who leads Huckabee and Romney 33.1 per cent to 31.8 per cent and 29.3 per cent. Democratic contest still too close to call in Missouri, but Obama holds a slight lead and the trend has been favouring him for some time.
4.44pm. Fox calls Alaska for Obama. Slow progress in New Mexico.
4.36pm. Everyone now calling Arizona for Clinton.
4.25pm. Fox and ABC call Colorado for Romney.
4.23pm. CBS, Fox and ABC (though not CNN) calling McCain for California.
4.21pm. Obama has hit the lead in Missouri, 49.3 per cent to 48.7 per cent with 98 per cent reporting, after a number of outlets earlier called it for Clinton. Given that Democratic delegates are allocated proportionately, this is mostly of academic interest. Not so the state’s Republican race, a winner-takes-all contest in which McCain leads Huckabee and Romney 33.3 per cent to 32.0 per cent and 29.5 per cent, also with 98 per cent reporting. Fox and ABC are calling it for McCain, but not CNN.
4.13pm. NBC and Fox are both calling California for Clinton.
4.12pm. CBS calls Montana for Romney.
3.56pm. CNN now calling Utah for Obama: he leads 53-41 with 37 per cent reporting.
3.50pm. No significant results yet from Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego or Sacramento.
3.38pm. Clinton leads 55-33 in California with 10 per cent counted, but pronounced regional variations can presumably be expected from a state that boasts both Malibu and Compton.
3.37pm. CNN calling Minnesota for Romney.
3.32pm. Fox’s call of Utah for Obama might also have been premature (I heard it on Fox News Radio; not sure it ever appeared as called on the website). Only 13 per cent reporting and Obama leads 45-44. Presumably the Fox call was based on an exit poll.
3.29pm. Clinton leads 51-40 in Arizona with 48 per cent reporting, but nobody’s calling it.
3.25pm. Fox’s call of Tennessee for Huckabee may have been premature (they’re still saying it on Fox News Radio, but not on the website). He leads McCain 34.1 per cent to 32.4 per cent with 83 per cent of precincts reporting.
3.20pm. McCain gaining on Huckabee in Missouri: now 33-32-29, compared with 35-32-27 half an hour ago.
3.15pm. Fox calls Idaho for Obama and Missouri for Clinton.
3.15pm. Fox calls Colorado for Obama.
3.10pm. Fox says Clinton wins American Samoa, and Romney wins Montana.
3.03pm. Fox News Radio reports McCain doing better than Romney in California from absent votes, but Romney doing better in normal votes. Clinton just ahead of Obama.
3.00pm. Also not sure why nobody giving Romney North Dakota, where he leads McCain, Paul and Huckabee 36-23-21-20.
2.58pm. Not sure why nobody calling Montana for Romney: he leads McCain, Paul and Huckabee 36-24-23-17 with 89 per cent of precincts reporting.
2.53pm. Nobody calling Missouri Democratic either, but Clinton leads 53-44 with 68 per cent of precincts reporting.
2.48pm. No one is calling the Missouri Republican race: Huckabee leads McCain and Romney 35-32-27 with 66 per cent precincts reporting.
2.46pm. A couple of outlets calling Georgia for Huckabee.
2.38pm. Fox calls Arizona for McCain and Tennessee for Huckabee.
2.29pm. Fox calls Utah for Obama.
2.25pm. Minnesota being called for Obama, who seems to be picking up a lot of the smaller states. Expectations he would perform well in caucuses have apparently been confirmed, boding well for him in Colorado and Idaho.
2.21pm. Fox News Radio and CNN call Connecticut for Obama.
2.15pm. Huckabee giving a speech, and not sounding of a mind to withdraw.
2.14pm. ABC calls Kansas for Obama.
2.08pm. Fox calls Oklahoma for McCain.
2.06pm. ABC also calling Utah for Romney; no surprise of course that he should carry the Mormon state.
2.03pm. Fox News projects Obama as winner of North Dakota, giving him seven states to Clinton’s six, and Utah to Romney.
1.44pm. Romney coming third behind Huckabee in many more places than expected. Almost time to call the nomination for McCain, pending one or two larger states.
1.31pm. CNN, ABC and Fox News Radio say Obama has won Alabama, which was lineball in late polling.
1.21pm. Fox calls Alabama for Huckabee.
1.18pm. Chap on Fox News Radio says McCain has won New York.
1.09pm. Fox calls Delaware for Obama.
1.07pm. CNN calls New York for Clinton, which is no surprise.
12.55pm. Fox calls Massachusetts for Clinton.
12.54pm. Chat on Fox News Radio indicates McCain is looking very good overall.
12.50pm. Winner-takes-all Republican contest for Delaware called for McCain, which was considered likely but not certain.
12.44pm. Arkansas being called for Huckabee, who is clearly doing better than expected.
12.36pm. Tennessee also called for Clinton, which was expected.
12.35pm. CNN calls Arizona for Clinton and Huckabee. The latter would be a big surprise if accurate; polls had Clinton with only a narrow lead.
12.29pm. The Times on Democratic exit polls:
The AP survey’s findings, leaked to The Times tonight before polls closed, should be treated with caution because they have been wrong before. But the early findings showed Mr Obama winning Georgia by 74 points to 25, Alabama by 59 to 37, Illinois by 69 to 29 and Delaware by 55 to 42. He also had narrower leads, possibly within the margin of error, in New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Missouri. The poll indicated Mrs Clinton was leading by seven points in New York – less than expected – and Tennessee where she had an 11 point advantage, according to the poll. In Oklahoma and Arkansas she was shown as more than 30 points ahead. In California, she is shown just ahead, by perhaps as little as three percentage points.
12.13pm. CNN is also calling Illinois for Obama and Oklahoma for Clinton on the basis of exit polling, though these of course are not winner-takes-all contests. On the Republican side, Illinois (district-level PR), Connecticut (winner takes all) and New Jersey (winner takes all) are being called for McCain, and Massachusetts (two-tier PR) for Romney. All of this is consistent with pre-poll expectations.
11.33am. Further to the previous entry: The Raw Story tells us “Geraghty’s leaks of exit poll data have not always proved accurate. For instance, his information before New Hampshire polls closed showed Senator Barack Obama defeating Senator Hillary Clinton.”
11.23am. More on exit polls from Jim Geraghty at the National Review:
The early wave in California: McCain 40 percent, Romney 36 percent, Huckabee 10 percent. Fascinating and fun as it is, I remind my readers that this doesn’t tell us that much, as we don’t know what the district-by-district breakdown is. Also, there are three million absentee votes that I’m pretty sure are not included in this. So while these numbers are nice to hear for McCain fans, I take them with even more caution, skepticism and grains of salt than usual. Missouri: Romney 34 percent, McCain 32 percent, Huckabee 25 percent. Winner take all. If these numbers hold – and these are early voters, the later waves may change the final a bit — it’s a big, big win for Romney. Georgia: Huckabee 34 percent, Romney 31 percent, McCain 30 percent. Now on to the NYC-metro-area states: New York: McCain 46, Romney 35, Huckabee 10 percent. New Jersey: McCain 48 percent, Romney 35, Huckabee 9 percent. Connecticut: McCain 50 percent, Romney 32 percent, Huckabee 7 percent. More or less what we expected. Now the big Mitt states: The early wave in Utah: Romney 91 percent, McCain 5 percent, Huckabee 1 percent. I think I’m ready to call that one. Massachusetts: Romney 54, McCain 35. But in McCain’s home state… Arizona: McCain 44, Romney 39, Huckabee 8. That’s a heck of a lot closer than I had expected. On to the South, where the numbers at this point look good for Huckabee… Alabama: Huckabee 42 percent, McCain 33 percent, Romney 20 percent. Tennessee: Huckabee 34, McCain 28, Romney 23. Arkansas: Huckabee 33, McCain 21, Romney 19. Oklahoma: McCain 34, Huckabee 32, Romney 27. A barnburner! Delaware: Romney 43, McCain 34, Huckabee 18. Not a big state, but it’s winner take all, so I’m sure Team Romney would take it. Illinois: McCain 47, Romney 31, Huckabee 15.
11.14am. Various media outlets calling Georgia for Obama purely on the basis of exit polls.
11.10am. Jason Zengerle at New Republic on exit polls:
The perils of posting these are obvious (President Kerry and all that), but the exit poll results that I’ve seen show: Obama trouncing Hillary in Georgia, Alabama, and Illinois; Hillary trouncing Obama in Arkansas and Oklahoma; Hillary with leads in New York and Tennessee; and Obama with leads in Delaware and Utah (although there’s only one wave of exit polls for Utah). Everywhere else–including Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Arizona, and California–is extremely close.
8.20am (Eastern Australian daylight time). This post will be used to cover today’s Super Tuesday developments, though I don’t promise that my coverage will be greatly timely or comprehensive. We’ll see how we go. The action will begin in earnest when polls in most of the eastern states close at 8pm US eastern time – noon eastern Australian daylight time. Polls in all-important California close three hours later. The one conspicuous exception is West Virginia, which uniquely held a state presidential convention today rather than a primary or caucuses. This has already wrapped up, resulting in Mick Huckabee securing the 18 delegates under the winner-takes-all vote. Huckabee won on the second round of voting after trailing Mitt Romney at the first by 464 votes (41 per cent) to 375 (33 per cent), with John McCain on 176 (16 per cent) and Ron Paul on 118 (10 per cent). Paul was then excluded, and at this point McCain’s supporters were reportedly instructed to throw their weight behind Huckabee to thwart Romney. This delivered victory to Huckabee with 567 (51.5 per cent) to Romney’s 521 (47.4 per cent).
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Diogenes. In the 19th Century the Republican Party was an alliance between genuine left-wing forces and elements of the industrial capitalists (who thought that slavery a barrier to making profits). It rapidly involved in to the party of big business especially after its “progressive” wing split in 1912 when Teddy Roosevelt made his third party bid. The Democrats then were able to cobble an unnatural alliance of northern Labor (especially Irish and immigrants) mid-western populists and southern racists. The southern racists flipped over to the republicans in the 1960s after Civil Rights split the unnatural alliance apart.
Interesting aside, the 1968 Democratic Convention gave birth to Niven’s Laws:
The first of Niven’s Laws was inspired by the events of this convention.[6]
Law 1 reads, “Never throw shit at an armed man.” Its corollary, law 1a, is “Never stand next to someone who is throwing shit at an armed man.”
Ron Paul is out and he’s quoting Trotsky!!?
“If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. “
Can someone, somewhere, tell me what is going on?
CNN: Obama: 937, Clinton: 1033
NYTIMES: Obama: 741, Clinton: 912
WASHPOST: Obama: 765, Clinton: 845
LATIMES: Obama: 988, Clinton: 1055
Not sure if the NTIMES and WASHPOST are counting the supers, but clearly, there is a wide range of opinion as to what the hell is actually going on.
Bizarre!
Following up regarding delegates vs supers:
CNN – Obama: Pledged: 831, Superdelegates: 106
CNN – Clinton: Pledged: 840, Superdelegates: 193
NYTIMES: The New York Times counts only delegates that have been officially selected and are bound by their preferences. [I think this means no supers].
WASHPOST: All delegate counts come from the Associated Press and include both pledged delegates and “super delegates.”
LATIMES: Count includes unpledged delegates and “superdelegates”. Source: AP
So, just how do Clinton and Obama stack up against the putative Republican nominee?
It’s a debate that’s going on in the US, and here’s one guy’s take, a Greg from FL:
Anecdotally…
I live in a deep deep red part of the largest swing state in the country. And, being a southern white male, I can pass for Republican quite easily. So what do Republicans I meet in the grocery store tell me?
“Obama? He’s not so bad” they say, but “I’ll do anything to keep *expletive, expletive, expletive* Hillary from getting in!” And this is from the women.
Me personally? Full disclosure: I voted for Edwards, and I still think Edwards would have been the best choice. So I am not awestruck over Obama by any measure. I worry that if he were the nominee he would not be able to respond to the Slime Machine, given that in his biggest electoral contest to date he ran against Alan Keyes. But Senator Clinton elicits utter lunacy from these people, without reason or any common sense whatsoever evident in their behavior.
So the anti-Clinton “she will energize the Republican base” argument is not just Obamaniac spin, it’s very real, and not to be dismissed, and it is not symmetric vis-a-vis Obama. Sometimes I see comments from Clinton fans that seem to suggest that the Republican slime attacks that any Democratic nominee would face are just like, or would in some way be equivalent to, the anti-Clinton behavior of the Right. This is not true. These people hate Hillary Clinton with unvarnished over-the-top absolute crazy hate.
For that reason, I think Obama would stand a better chance against McCain and the Swift Boaters than would Clinton.
904
Peter J. Nicol
You can get a better picture of the process from this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/us/politics/09delegates.html?ref=politics
…it’s messy!
KR @ 907
“Oh, Mr Hart – Whatta mess!”
‘Southern racists’: most white southerners were poor (’red necks’ from working in the sun), the South wasn’t like South Africa. Polls in the 1940s showed white southerners were well to the left on economic issues. Rich whites however dominated politics and the local Democrats. From the late 1930s the Southern Democrats in Congress increasingly voted with the Republicans the ‘conservative coalition’ then from the 1960s the rich whites saw the Republicans were a better option and jumped ship unfortunately carrying a lot of poorer whites with them. As late as the 1950s however some southern Republicans ran to the left on race.
nice sites to keep up with current events
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802080015
http://www.evilgopbastards.com/
you’re a bugger Basil @ 902 but not faulty.
EG Spears trades shots with paps
Still there Diogenes. Unbelievable. I’m off to grammar nightschool. Again.
Deomcratic Primarys on today (first 4) and tomorrow & delgates to win:
Louisiana 56
Nebraska 24
Washington 78
Virgin Islands 3
Maine 24
Democrats ab. 7
Weekend Total 192
Given the 2 biggest delegate states are respectively over 1/3 & over 50% Afro American , Obama will win the most delegates this weekend
possibly 25 to 30, leaving Obama 25 to 30 in arrears and still narrowing
codger-To paraphrase Churchill. “You are a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key.”
codger 912-I have found the key!!
For a patient to be hospitalised under a mental health order, three criteria must be met.
1. Patient must have a mental illness which impairs their reality testing
2. Patient must be a danger either to themselves or others
3. The illness must be treatable in a mental hospital
Any doctor can do this (and by God I’ve felt like exercising that on a few non-patients and colleagues in my life!)
Spears must have met these criteria initially. The patient is reassessed within 24 hours by a psychiatrist who can revoke the order or continue it for 3 days. Spears would have been reassessed and must have improved from what is likely to be a “situational acute depression exacerbated by polysubstance pharmacy abuse”.
Often when the drugs taken wear off, the patient becomes more lucid in a few days. However, if the “breakdown” was due purely to a severe depression or schizophrenic episode, things do not turn around so quickly and a 21 day detention order is put in place.
As she was only in a few days, I suspect there was substance abuse involved. I hope that clarifies your concerns.
The average of the major polls now has Obama trailing Clinton by just 3.3% while the Intrade odds show a virtual reversal of Clinton’s 60/40 of a while back to now: 42/58 in Obama’s favour.
I nearly ran off the road the other day when a Victorian Policeman said on the ABC off the cuff egarding a current mysterious murder case :
“its a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma”
and I was thinking how original & clever was that
average pf Polls ; re the todate delegates won or to win the Nominee ?
Winning nomination.
Obama’s narrowing in the polls, and has crossed her in the betting.
The fact that Clinton is throwing money at her campaign at a time when she was ’scritped’ to be the only viable candidate is not a good sign for her, and there is definitely a feeling that she’s losing it, a poco a poco, as they say.
Ron #916. If I stand corrected that quote was what Winston Churchill said about Russia. Forgive me if you knew that!
KR the money os certainly favouring Obama !
Todate he’s won 15 to 10 states with 1 State a draw
I think Obama by the end of Feb will have wiped off the current Clinton lead of about 56 and have a small lead himself & win 9 of the 11
meaning he will have won 24 States to 12
and hopefully that momentum & moral lead on States will lead to many Superdelegates coming his way dramatically increasing his lead
BEFORE the two big Primarys loom on 4/3 Texas & Ohio where Clinton will win the former with the Latino vote & the later as its Clinton demographs territory
919
Aussieguru01 Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Ron #916. If I stand corrected that quote was what Winston Churchill said about Russia. Forgive me if you knew that!
no I’m not that good my friend
it was my learned friend at #914 Diogenes
Your on the right path there Ron
24 to 13 states
922
Aussieguru01 Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Your on the right path there Ron
you’ve given me renewed faith my friend
many say I have no idea of the “right” path
Thats YOUR private joke OK!
920 [meaning he will have won 24 States to 12]
Ron, it’s getting to the stage where Clinton is playing little more than a spoiler role in the Democratic Party nomination.
well Churchill also said re Stalin & the quote is generalised
if your friends detest you as much as your enemys , join them together & they will destroy themselves
One of my favourite Churchill quotes:
“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.”
yes Steve
before Super tuesday it was 2 states all
Super Tuesday Obama 12 to 9 (plus 1 draw)
predict rest of Feb Obama 9 to 2
predict March to June Obama 8 Clinton 8
total Obama 31 States & “Territories” to Clinton 21 (plus 1 draw)
but the number of delegates won by Obama may be 100
meaning Hillary wants to fight on hoping to win the uperdelegates over
THE KEY date is 3/3/08 before Texax & Ohio re if Superdelgates accept Obama’s then State lead I predict of 23 to 13 deserves a moral victory & their votes there and then
928
steve Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 12:17 am
One of my favourite Churchill quotes:
“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.”
or
“You can always count on Americans to do the WRONG thing – after they’ve tried everything else.”
McCain’s 100 years of Iraq War will not fly with the punters, not if this poll shows how people see the recession and how to fix it:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The heck with Congress’ big stimulus bill. The way to get the country out of recession — and most people think we’re in one — is to get the country out of Iraq, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll.
Pulling out of the war ranked first among proposed remedies in the survey, followed by spending more on domestic programs, cutting taxes and, at the bottom end, giving rebates to poor people in hopes they’ll spend the economy into recovery.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iu6xjCz8Ykakz5T6AjT3olMgRXTwD8UMCQAO1
…it’s an interesting read, and a warning to the Republicans that running “son of Bush” will hit the harsh wall of public opinion.
notice the ‘war hero’ debate got another run today
the Aussie POW’s in Changi are often called ‘war hero’s but I suspect most of feel they are victims of war just like the civilan casualties
its a pity so few people in history ever make the decision to go to war
where so many civilans inevitable die ?
Oh Dear, an echo chamber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8f9aN2uSpo
yes KR , The $168 billion economic rescue package Congress rushed to approval this week includes for Poor wage-earners, as well as seniors and veterans who live almost entirely off Social Security and disability benefits, would get $300 checks
well equity is alive in the land of survival of the economic strongest
KR906
I read this post on right wing nut-bars hatred of Hillary Clinton with interest and find it consistent with what I regard as some of the “nastier” comments about her. Perhaps that is oen reason why I am sympathetic to her – anyone that right wing Republicans hate cannot be all bad.
But it raises the question – can anyone explain why they hate Hillary so much? Of course she is a career politician, but so are the rest of their opponents. She is hardly the most progressive of the democrats (I preferred Edwards to Clinton and Obama for that reason). So why do they particularly dislike her so much? Interested in opinions.
thanks
PS I don’t think this hatred is a particular reason not to nominate her either; these types won’t vote democrat in a million years, and will vote republican regardless.
933
steve
Not a good look, is it?
Clinton not only talks about ‘my opponent’, but then goes on to parody his rally cry while trying to use it at the same time.
Anyone know if tomorrow’s caucuses will be broadcast on CNN International or Fox News, and what time they are? I ended up missing Nevada because I presumed it would be in the evening (US Pacific time), when it was actually in the afternoon.
937 The caucuses begin 1.00pm. All the usual suspects will cover them.
Socrates #935
So why do they particularly dislike Hillary so much? Interested in opinions.
perhaps its a case after Bill & Monica:
‘Bill you owe me….”no , the US owes me” as my reward
perhaps people believe she should have left Bill after 2000 and the fact she did not proves she has naked cold blood ambition irrespective of marriage morality
perhaps its she appears hard & ruthless in comparison with perceived ‘warm’ Bill
thoughts Socrates ?
935
Socrates
It’s a good question Soc, and probably the thesis topic for political science majors all over the country, but in a nutshell: Bill Clinton. OK, they hate her for herself, for her overweaning ‘every child in a village’ Mega Mummy stuff (which some find cloying, for some reason! LOL), but because she is a truly ruthless politician and is not a genuinely ‘likeable’ person. Bill, for all his faults, is a charmer, intelligent, and attracts people in droves. Hillary can’t.
But the Republicans hating her is only half the story, it’s the independents, the moderate Republicans that could, maybe, vote for a Democrat in this of all years, that the DNC will have to consider. Pitted against this is the aging, “libera” McCain, who many Republicans distrust, but if it’s Hillary against him, they won’t sit this one out. And that’s the nub of it: will Hillary bring out the opposition and turn off the potential swingers?
From everything I’ve read, and all the polls, the answer is most likely yes, she will not be as strong as Obama against McCain.
Oh yes, and all this poppycock about how she’s been ‘tested’ and he hasn’t, well, will voters want this endless war between the parties, or will they accept that Obama can do what he says and actually get some decorum into the whole show? If he can, he’s the one to go for, or else they could see McCain in the Whitehouse, and that would be unthinkable.
It might be ‘irrational’ hate, but it’s there, right across the nation, and it’s potent.
Good to see Hussein is a commie,
‘Now, with his election campaign in full swing, Obama has positioned himself as just that: a level-headed candidate who can transcend political pettiness and bring people together in order to get things done. To his credit, he has promised he will restore habeas corpus and declares that it is “never OK” to torture. He has called for closing Guantanamo (all the leading candidates have, in fact, with the exception of the recently departed Mitt Romney, who would have famously “doubled” it). For anyone opposed to the Bush administration’s stampede on human rights, such promises are reassuring. But they are also a sad indication how dismally low our political standards have become. Opposition to torture is not a brave stance. You’re supposed to be against it.’
http://www.alternet.org/election08/76495/
Hey Diogenes my friend, way up thread, http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/?page=10
Would I lie to you? So help me, ABC online headline “Spears trades shots with paps’
Paps? Last time I looked at them I was arrested. That link may now go to Brendans sock’s but hey what the…shit I’m a sexist.
Now to the main game: The Zimmer McSame (remember Him? Sprinting to the lead, Oh the pace) v Hilly & Silly Willy v Hussein…oh dear now I’m an ageist…Help…if only the rodent…mammaries err memories…
KR the “hard right” hate McCain more than Clinton !
Limbaugh the most popular US ‘right’ jock AND Ann Coulter both says they will support Clinton over McCain
Most of conservative “Church” block dislikes McCain & said they will not endorse him because he voted against outlawing ‘gay’ marriage
So if Clinton wins the Nominee…..what a collection of bed fellows she may have
935 Socrates, think this sums it up pretty well.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/08/mistake-fox-news-identi_n_85656.html
plus the Jewish vote (& its money) including Repug Jewish voters will 100% support Hillary over McCain. She is their strongest supporter
plus the Israeli vote (& its money) including Repug Israeli voters will 100% support Hillary over McCain. She is their strongest supporter
Looks like the Dems are going to use the poor economic credentials of McCain to wedge him out of the centre ground. Always a good move when the economy is faltering.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8397.html
Ron, KR
Thanks for the suggestions re: Republican hatred of Hillary Clinton.
I suppose they must hold marriage sacred – that is presumably why so many Republican politicians have several wives! (McCain and Guliani 2 and 3 respectively wheras none of the Democrat front runners are divorced). Sorry for the sarcasm but I don’t really buy that as the reason for the hatred (maybe the excuse), particuarly given the indiscretions of so many Rep politicians in recent years. It reminds me of an Arab(?) proverb which I think translates to:
“it is always the one who most stridently denounces the prostitute in the temple who is secretly her best customer”.
I agree that Hillary’s “every child needs a village” line was drivel, but to me that is just one bit of political stupidity in a country with a vast reservoir of political stupidity.
Does anyone know if Hillary has made any anti-religeous comments? I could imagine that would really bring the bats out of the bellfry. I remember Bill made a big thing of being a Baptist, but I can’t remember ever seeing Hillary do that much.
I think you’re saying Socrates you still have not heard a sound reason for the fierce anti Hillary opinions ??????
Certainly the Democrat woman voters like her more than Obama as do the Latinos
So mayber the answer is that “reason” is not a srtong point with Repugs ??
correction: the Democrat woman voters (excluding Afro American females)
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