Been a bit busy lately, so it’s past time for a new US elections thread. Since Super Tuesday we’ve had an anticipated string of Barack Obama victories from caucuses in Nebraska, Washington and Maine and a primary in Louisiana, along with a narrow win for John McCain in Washington and probably meaningless victories for Mike Huckabee in Kansas and Louisiana. Tomorrow US time we have both parties holding primaries in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia.
Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth
US primaries open thread
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Greeensborough Growler
Oh, so you’ve read it again have you?
So I didn’t actually endorse some hagiography?
So I didn’t actually say about some volunteer Obama supporters:
“The fact remains as to why Obama’s staff had that photo prominently displayed in his office.
A worrying sign for the Obama bandwagon.”
So, tell me again, who whipped up the silly story in the first place?
Check your facts, read things properly, and then answer.
I would say that, wouldn’t I? LOL
In plain English, again, especially for GG, who seems to have problems understanding the meaning:
If you check the video on Fox, there’s this note:
The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.
…go and look for yourself, I did!
Or do you hate it when the facts get in the way of your hysterical posts?
Effing hell, if one poster of one long dead Che is creating such havoc and consternation. Can you imagine what would happen if some relative of Obama in Kenya is accused of an alleged terrorism link.
I told you so, I told you so.
Does anyone else notice, that when under pressure, KR goes the punch, his blogs get longer and longer and looks for some esoteric sideline to avoid the realisation that his preferred candidate has a few skeletons clanging around.
I haven’t.
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Greeensborough Growler
hang about there GG, you just mad an ass of yourself and tried to slag me in the process.
Not related to that ESJ by any chance?
I’ve got no grudge with you, but try that crap on and I’ll give it right back.
So, asking for supporters now are you?
Sounds like you can’t stick up for yourself.
#254 – GG – I did ask KR one time whether he got a life. He reassured me that he did, not just skeleton.
One moment there GG:
Does anyone else notice, that when under pressure, KR goes the punch, his blogs get longer and longer and looks for some esoteric sideline to avoid the realisation that his preferred candidate has a few skeletons clanging around.
I haven’t.
…you come on with some absolute hysterical nonsense bit of crappola from some blogger, you don’t even bother to check the primary source, then you claim it’s Obama’s office, and then you’ve got the audacity to accuse me of ’some esoteric sideline’
You take the friggin’ cake for talking out your behind!
Wow, an offensive flag in a volunteer’s campaign office? That’s even worse than an offensive flag on top, or out the front, of the South Carolina State House! Oh wait, maybe it isn’t…
Rain, I’m sorry, I’ve gotta agree with Asanque. That blog is pretty heavily partisan.
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The Finnigans
Looks to me like someone wants to assume the mantle of ESJ, toss out rubbish and then hurl abuse if you get caught doing it.
Funny, but I thought it was so civil and entertaining here since the last serial abuser left, but there’s always one ready to take on the role.
Ho hum….
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Al
Hahahahaaaaaa!
Touche!
Conferderate flag, now that wouldn’t have any implications flying over the official biulding, now would it?
(Of course, they don’t know what it means! LOL)
KR – You are missing the point totally. It does not matter whether the mud they are throwing at Obama is true or not. It does not matter a bit. It is enough that they are throwing and it will hurt Obama big time. I told you so. Don’t forget, I am on your side.
KR,
Goodness me, Hysteria is you.
You are so full of yourself, you are coming out the other side.
There are two postings on this site with over a thousand contributions. Why don’t you run your bullshitorometer to see how may are yours. (Personal guess 750).
Someone introduces an alternative paradigm to the discussion and you are out of control. You really need to get over your self.
Ron.
Tongue is formly planted in cheek.
GG I was assuming the same with the Che thing.
Rain
I’ve now had an opportunity to review that blog.
One thing – at least its very anti-republican which I can sympathise with.
It raises many issues on media bias.
However, I note this piece which was never corrected.
Obama has since agreed to two debates. One in Ohio, one in Texas. I didn’t see an update on this post.
Another post on media bias
Whilst slightly misleading, this mailer appears to be true.
The balance of that post simply has no links or facts to back it up.
And most of the rest of that blog (which is really really long!) has many Hillary endorsements and some articles.
KR ..could also be some underemployed Lib staffer venting some spleen!!
Agh, but all that fades into insignificance after watching the opening of Parliament today………..what a moving occasion it was. Admit to a tear in my eye after reading the ’sorry’ statement and seeing that wonderful statesman Fred Chaney interviewed by Kez this evening. He and Pedro Georgiou are my ideal Libs proving it is possible to be tory and have a heart.
Makes this new Australian proud!!
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Greeensborough Growler
“Someone introduces an alternative paradigm ”
nup, you post some ridiculous beat up story, don’t check the basic facts, and draw a stupid conclusion.
All I did was point out you error, and then you, buster, went for the full throttle insults.
Now, tell me who’s ‘out of control’?
Go on, tell me again?
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Megan
Yep, great day, and it sure as hell has put the light back on the hill, ah, so to speak!
KR,
People in glass houses shouldn’t!
Have you checked how many posts?
You seem extremely agitated.
I stuffed up my last post by not including the link, so I’ll repeat it.
Andrew Bolt was on triple j (first time ever) and claimed that when you really looked at the evidence in each “stolen generation” case, that he had only been able to find about ten that were definitely stolen. What is the evidence, in hard terms, for the number of truly “stolen” children? Before everyone lynches me, I am not saying he is right, I would really like to know as the reporter on triple j couldn’t nail him and they’re usually pretty good with rebuttals to crap arguments.
http://news.smh.com.au/parliament-to-say-sorry-for-loss/20080212-1rmu.html
BTW I had prints by MC Escher and the Imaginary Prison sequence by Piranesi on my wall. I’m not ashamed to be a dork!
GG
i came to a similair conclusion ealier,and like that nutjob nostils posts, i simply now ignore em,makes reading the blogs real quick
“empty vessels make the most noise” LOL
Thinking about the Republican race (something that no one seems to be commenting on here), can anyone here explain how Huckabee has managed to close 21% in the polls in Virginia in just 3 days?
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=f37ee2e5-11bf-4587-abfd-727426356f37
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=4b5bca0f-bbc7-4c45-9f5c-66e668c18b76
And how does a Huckabee win in Virginia (which is winner-takes-all) affect the GOP nomination race?
Obama said: “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for, we are the change that we seek”. Hmmm, if this is not a messiah complex, then Kumbaya My Lord, Kumbaya.
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Greeensborough Growler
I’m only ‘agitated’ by people who abuse others gratuitiously, which if you go back and check, you’ve just been doing.
How many posts I make is my business. Go and have a look on some other threads, there are some that have a lot of one or two posters, that is their perogative.
Funny, but most people either ignore my posts (I recommend that, if they bother you!), or engage with their opionions.
The one’s I don’t like are unsolicited attacks. If you’ve got a problem about my posts, then that’s your problem, don’t lay it on me.
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gusface
oh, yeah, mr ‘orifice’ has spoken again! (I don’t forget little tag along snot chuckers who only ever hide behind the big boys! LOL)
You could try growing up too, your silly post is infantile.
271
Swing Lowe
Hcuk (Reg. Trade Mark) has got big Mo!
I think Kansas gave him a bump and the McCain haters have got nowhere else to go (OK Ron Paul is just too freaky, even for them! LOL)
KR,
I read 273 and had a tear in my eye.
I’m only ‘agitated’ by people who abuse others gratuitiously, which if you go back and check, you’ve just been doing.
I then read 274. You are a wanker!
oh, yeah, mr ‘orifice’ has spoken again! (I don’t forget little tag along snot chuckers who only ever hide behind the big boys! LOL)
You could try growing up too, your silly post is infantile.
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The Finnigans
Kumbaya indeed! It’s got a quasi-relgious feel, it’s got JFK and MLK and youtube all rolled into one.
Makes Hillary look so, oh, whitebread, doesn’t it? LOL
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Greeensborough Growler
Ah, except for one VERY important point GG:
gusface once told me that I’m talking out of my ‘orifice’!
Now, let’s be frank, that’s infantile, and so is hiding behind your silly posts and chucking snot, which is exactly what he’s doing.
So you’ve got a team now? You and big brave gusface who only ever comes out and chucks when the big boy does it first?
Go away and grow up, the two of you.
By the way GG, I’m stil waiting for your comment about the Obama ‘office’ and what that Che poster really means to his campaign.
Or have you decided that you were wrong, but don’t want anyone to notice? LOL
KR,
1. Gus face is not Frank
2. Gusface tells no lies.
3. Great conspiracy theory is us.
Obama’s office needs to answer for their misjudgements, not any one else.
So KR – It’s OK for Obama to bring religion into his campaign yet we rile at Huckleberry for bringing religion into his. A double standard we had to have?
Swing Lowe,
In the long term, what happened in Washington State is more important for the relationship between Huckabee/theocons and McCain and the tattered remnants of the ‘regular Republicans’.
Essentially, very serious questions exist over whether the votes were counted properly in their recent primary. Or indeed whether the votes were counted at all.
Here is the Huckabee campaign’s recent letter
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/2008-02-11_huck_rollins_letter_wsrp.jpg
Now, if Huckabee thinks that election was stolen and they arent being given a fair shake by the Regular Republicans, then they will presumably be less enthusiastic to turn out, vote etc etc
“BUMFIGHTS!!!…BUMFIGHTS…GET YER OFFICIAL BUMFIGHTS POPCORN HERE”
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jen Says:
February 12th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Ron.
Tongue is formly planted in cheek.
GG I was assuming the same with the Che thing.
Well we are happy sailors here on the ship Jen
Is anyone saying Obama would endorse the Che poster …think not
so its either a setup or Fox News so “fair & balanced”
or a very naive Obama volunteer
careful finnigans-he might go you as well
ps i think kr’s tin foil has sprung a leak
pps “snot chucker” pot..kettle…black
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The Finnigans
Ah, nup, Obama does not pander to the god bothers with folksy down on the farm quotes from the good book for every talking point.
What I said was it’s quasi-religious. In fact Obama has the kind of magnetism that begets (ah, good old testament word!) a cult like following. He’s the ‘real deal’ in that respect, whereas Hcuk’s just another TV evangelist spruiker.
Is it clever politics? Well, proof of the pudding, as they say. Will it carry him to success? Maybe. Have I got money on him? Yep. And McCain.
So I actually put my money where my mouth is, unlike some little snot chuckers! LOL
During the last Federal election here, many of us suspected that the great ‘economic numbers’ were just the tip, and not the iceberg, at least not the one that was headed towards us, quietly in the dark economic oceans of subprime catastrophe and lurking inflation. And yet, despite the uneasy feeling that wresting the treasury benches would be a little bit like taking the wheel of the Titanic, we still wanted desperately to be rid of the Rodent’s dreary grey decade of wedge politics and squalid uncultured wars.
In many ways, our little electoral pond is a small reflection of the US, and the same tectonic movements are in play, but on a much, much bigger scale. Like us, they’re sick of the inept and dissembling administration, bungling and lying its way through gross mismanagement of so many things from Katrina to Iraq and dismantling the constitutional rights in the name of the ‘war on terror’. But also like us, the economic situation is not good, the underlying problems are surfacing quickly to expose a massive iceberg about to rip into the side of their ship.
Up on the bridge, the two leading Democrat contenders are armwrestling each other for the wheel, and it’s a fight to the death and then with seconds ticking, the winner must change course, miss the economic iceberg, then sail through the storms of the Middle East debacle before they can even begin to feel safely free of the challenges looming over them.
But like here, we know the challenges, and we like the sudden veering of course that Rudd has taken us on, and as we move away from the previous course we do feel uplifted and do feel optimistic enough to face the big challenges we know are just over the horizon. I suspect America will do the same, but whoever gets their hands on the wheel, it will be a mighty big job, and it’s going to take a lot of the nation to feel good about the change of direction. Whoever takes charge will need their goodwill.
I sincerely wish them luck.
mate @ 282,
I’ve got the “Fantails” franchise all stitched. They have KR’s postings on the wrapper and you have to buy 25 boxes to get the whole set.
#284 – Gusface – Only for the good of Obama. The good they die young. Like I said before, he is a naughty boy, because it should be lady first.
Is this a blog or a bar room brawl?
I’ll come back later.
Greeensborough Growler 287
LMFAO
“I’ve got the “Fantails” franchise all stitched. They have KR’s postings on the wrapper and you have to buy 25 boxes to get the whole set.”
Fantails would have to be the size of a shoe box to fit one KR’s posts on it, you wouldn’t need to eat anything else for a week.
Think I might snap up the carry bag francise for the shoe box size fantail.
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Greeensborough Growler
So, you haven’t bothered to correct your posts about Obama’s campaign and some nonsense story about a poster on the wall?
Oh, but you’ve made up a really clever insult about me, oh, look, isnt’ that clever how you actually avoid your silly mistakes and insults and go on doing the same silly thing.
Boy, where do your posts end up? On a toilet roll?
You take the cake, the same as ESJ, all p!ss and wind, signiflying nothing but your own ignorance.
I always thought this country of mine has no soul. I think we have found our soul. The heritage of our indigenous comrades is our soul. I saw that today and I hope to see it again tomorrow.
KR,
There is nothing to correct. Learn to live with alternative points of view.
You are an easy target. Our team calls you Uranium 235 because so little effort creates a big explosion.
Personal abuse while denying you do it. Hypocrite.
The Finnigans @ 293
I have been bouncing around this for days and I think you found the right word.
Tips hat!
jen @ 240 – How do we know you haven’t been arrested by ASIO for the Hendrix poster and they are now forging your posts to lure us into confessing the deepest, darkest secrets of our misspent youth so they can put us in the next cell?
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Greeensborough Growler
It’s not an ‘alternative point of view’ it was an outright bit of claptrap that came out of your mouth and you are not man enough to admit your mistake, instead you attack me.
So don’t lecture me about ‘hypocricy’, not until you’ve learned how to actually behave.
You and ESJ, eh? Same old story, get caught, turn nasty.
Comrade GG (und uffa’s)
u haf giffen avay ze conspiracy dunderheads
now ze barstitch vill no ve ar all part of ze grand plan to insult and abuse,in ze childish vay,kiwibillybong removedfromrealityville
ps tell mutha to put ze roast in ze offen
gusface@ 298
awww, I had a date with Tom Cruise!
#294 GG – Uranium 235 eh? Yes, my hero Mr. Einstein who came up with this magical formula E=KR2 where E = Ego , while working as a lowly patent clerk in the Swiss Patent office and shunned by the academic establishment. This magical formula definitely changed the world with the big bang at Hiroshima.
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