Roy Morgan’s fourth published poll of the Rudd era has produced a result similar to the first two, after a slight improvement for the Coalition at the third. Labor’s two-party lead has increased to 62.5-37.5 from 60-40 at the previous face-to-face poll; their primary vote is up from 49 per cent to 54 per cent, with the Coalition down from 36 per cent to 33 per cent.
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Dyno – I drove back from Broulee on the NSW south coast yesterday and noticed several “Your rights at work” posters still extant in some VERY inaccessible locations – methinks they will be there (and capable of adding scare value) at the next election
Rx,
And Labor would have to have raised money the way every other party does, from individuals and businesses.
I have no doubt they would have succeeded, and it probably would have done Labor some good in the long run.
Of all the posts on the preceding 2 pages, at last count 34 of them were from Generic Person. Go have a look at them. William, I’m sorry. I realise you’d like this site to host some reasonable debate, but the offerings from the likes of Generic Person are just too inviting eventually of telling him he’s just a condescending prat.
No 448
No, that’s not what I said at all.
Ultimately, one could argue that all government policies are essentially aimed at silencing and weakening opposition, but let’s actually examine the reality before jumping to conclusions.
The fact that the ALP substantially benefited politically from WorkChoices proves that Charlton’s ridiculous conspiracy theories are false to a large degree.
The union movement has been weakening since prior to the Howard Government. If they disappeared it would have been due to their increasing irrelevance in the world of work, not because Howard single handedly orchestrated their demise to destroy the ALP. Only irrational Howard haters would argue the latter.
451 otiose,
WorkChoices could be for Labor over the next decade what “the recession we had to have” was for the Libs over the past decade – a phrase that epitomises what people disliked about the other side, and thus a gift that keeps on giving.
Less than a month to go to the March 15 Brisbane City Council elections and not a public poll released for months. No doubt the polling if anybody could be bothered doing such a thing would show Gridlock Campbell with a massive lead. Especially on the question of raising rates by more than the CPI which is a huge breaking of a promise made during the last election campaign, he is in a league of his own.
Hope the ALP run a campaign based on sending Gridlock a message based on his rate raising record. Beware the Ides of March.
No 453
I think you forgot to realise the delicious irony in amidst that eruption of self-importance.
Only irrational union (worker) haters would enact such a malicious grubby piece of legislation. No wonder they never took their “choices” to an election.
otiose , absolutely !
Rx. & Garry Bruce are right to say one w/c purpose was to weaken the ALP financial base & over time would have.
It is also the case Conservatives see ‘wages’ as a commodity to be free to ‘market forces’ with the worker having no negotiating position & so lower wages & higher business profits. howard was sprouting this in the 1980’s
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Dyno – a soul after my own heart and mind – add the “interest rates” bogey and workchoices is the universal salve
Still on the subject of the apology and the early Rudd days generally (apologies if this has been linked earlier), this is a funny read from Simon Webster in the Sun-Herald. An excerpt:
” … Dozens of ordinary decent Australians in pointy white hats demanded Rudd say sorry for saying sorry. The Sorry Sorry campaign will be called the SS for short, which is quite handy because many campaigners already own uniforms bearing those initials.
Speaking of extremists who like dressing up in bizarre nationalistic outfits, John Howard was the only living former prime minister not at Parliament House on Wednesday. And he didn’t even send his apologies. …”
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/emphasis-on-the-truth/2008/02/16/1202760661102.html
yep at best a thought…possibly a dream…probably a crock of …t
Simon Webster should be condemned for that fallacious account of John Howard. Indeed, comparing him to the fascist regime is beyond reproach.
That aside, I don’t see why Howard should have turned up. Why? To enjoy tea and scones with his arch nemeses of the last thirty years? To totally contradict the policy mantra of practical reconciliation which he has been advocating for more than a decade?
Simon Webster should get his head out of arse. I’m sure he’d be up in arms if we started comparing Rudd to Lenin or Stalin.
GP @ 463,
It was only a joke, mate.
gnat , your reply to #441 must be in ‘moderation’ ?
Ron @ 459,
When unemployment is 4% a lot of workers have massive negotiating power, doesn’t matter what the law says.
No 464
I’m sorry, but all too often people use the fascist comparison as some sort of joke. It simply is not a joke.
Rx are you a union official?
Apres – lots of name calling, question remains do you actually have any criticisms of the ALP?
he only has to be one of the 52.7% of voters who voted for Rudd to lnow that workchoices was an assault on workers rights
well well Rudd did lie to us after all…who’d a thunk it?
468 [question remains do you actually have any criticisms of the ALP?]
ESJ I have a criticism of the ALP – they should have won more seats at the last election so there are less Tories in the house and won a majority in the senate. Maybe they will do better next time.
Admirable zeal steve. Round them up.
So how sad you must be Rx,Ron and Steve that Labor is leaving most of WorkChoices in place???
Generic Person, February 17th, 2008 at 11:04 pm:
Generic Person, November 25th, 2007 at 8:15 pm [Rx emphasis]:
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/768?cp=2#comments
@ 462
Yep…just a crock of whatever.
I suppose you are aware about the geothermal drilling the proposal of the water transfer grid that has been devised by a consortium of eighteen hundred engineers, to a point where it has been costed to issue a prospectus???
And I’m sure you are aware of the emergence of another industry that will revolutionise the manufacturing industry…yep, all crock.
Rx , how dare you expose GP hypocrisy !!
well G is too scared to reply to #441 and is still defending w/c
ESC is still in self denial over the apology
Steve , if the Libs leadership follow this approach , your hopes will be realised
Generic person, you chose to reply selectively to an earlier post in which I detailed reasons why there might be a range of considerations to think about in relation to increased filtering on ISPs. I don’t think I’m terribly important, actually. In fact, I know I am a mere mortal who chooses to spend her working time with those whose lives have been much harder that mine. That’s my choice, fully and freely made. You sir, appear to be someone who will use sophistry and cant to support your cause, to no effect on the likes of me.
Go right ahead. The Libs have clearly got it well sorted.
Edward StJohn:
It would be a foolhardy person indeed who reveals anything personal to a poster such as yourself, given your, frankly, scary stalking of another here on this blog.
477 Queensland has the balance about right. Only eight too many.
LOL Rx, yes if viewing a posted web-site is stalking – guilty as charged.
LOL ESJ!!
the victim & all other blogers did not view it as innocent
clearly your subsequent ‘apology’ was less than sincere
Glen. you silly person, the released emails say exactly what Rudd said they did. Maaatttee, check the facts first beeeeeffooorre you post!
Steve,
Question: How will ALP government increase the net level of happiness in the community?
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Edward St John – two criticisms off TOH – roxon was poor on 7:30 Report – swan was poor with D Dixer – but they have AT LEAST 3 yrs 2b more betta
by removing soft stalkers & reducing tories to 0
GP @ 463 – The point in the article was I think the rumoured possibility of (Sir?)John Winston dressing up in Garters for some ancient bauble that wasn’t abolished with Empire Day. Hence ‘dressing up in bizarre national’ outfit.
I can understand your confusion with Germany though – the German and British royal families are I understand quite closely genetically linked.
Royal families have to give it about overseas as much as possible to avoid unfortunate manifestations of in-breeding. They obviously forget about this often.
485 I must admit that in your case ESJ it won’t. The chronically unhappy will always remain so.
Funny. You were the one labelling others condescending prats just moments ago.
j/v touche
Harry , you are talking to the disinterested
As to criticism of Rudd, yes I have:
His maintenance of the SES formula for Schools funding 2009 to 2013
but Conservatives do not wish to debate policy here
Steve, the net level of happiness, surely as an ALP supporter you understand the concept of the collective or is everybody an army of one in the ALP these days?
Oh ron the ALP abandoned equity in education in 1972 when it first funded private schools and in 1985 with university fees. That horse bolted DECADES ago
Otiose no doubt there media advisers were very unhappy too!
I think that the net level of happiness with the conservative side of politics was reflected in the last Federal election result and yes, I do expect an improved performance for Labor at the next election which may well reflect an overall heightened happiness with having a progressive government rather than a regressive, reactive coalition government.
can you conservatives ever get your stories together
Private funding was introduced in 1963 after the Goulbourne Lavatory incident
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Ron – i hope that the school funding “me-too” was part of that policy that pete suggested would “all change” but was necessary to defeat the rodent – it is indefensible on equity grounds
cliche steve. good night
No 495
Steve, you may be interested in reading about happiness in the following article by Peter Saunders, Centre for Independent Studies.
He analyses and deconstructs Clive Hamilton’s ominous view of the market system and capitalism.
http://www.cis.org.au/POLICY/summer%2007-08/saunders_summer07.html
Oh Lordy, yes Ron, I was just giving it one last chance – to no avail, it would seem.
Generic Person, I said I would not respond to you any more, and I meant it. I have nothing to say to you.
ESJ, I hope you’ve one or two more neurons than Generic Person. Unfortunately, the Burke view is a very old and dated concept. If you seriously want to re-think the position of the Conservative parties, I’d suggest y6ou revisit Zoom’s analysis above.
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