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#542 Robert , can only agree with all your points
a further stat that she & the Democrat power brokers know is that the NATIONAL polling of Clinton vs McCain & Obama vs McCain showing Obama with a 5% or so points lead is completely misleading & hides Hillary’s unelectorbility
by individual State right now on an electoral College basis , McCain crushs Clinton in a landslide whereas Obama has an effective one medium size State lead over McCain
on this basis alone , if she does not concede 4/3/08 , I think she will be given no choice…the uncommitted Supers knowing the above will blast her out then
any views ?
Yes of course you are a historian Robert Bollard one who also appears to reports / gathers facts from the proverbial cab driver.
I also dont see what qualifies you as the “marker” but if you want to educate yourself I suggest reading John Julius Norwich’s 3 part history of byzantium – there are about half a dozen examples.
Dyno – its like a League of Rights pamphlet said that I once had waived in my face by a racist weirdo: “Dialectics: the Marxist Tool for World Domination”. We Marxists know what will happen because we’re in league with the illuminati and the Jews who run Wall Street (and the Pope of course). We had the outcome sewed up long ago.
“if you want to educate yourself I suggest reading John Julius Norwich’s 3 part history of byzantium – there are about half a dozen examples.”
So… there are about half a dozen examples of “someone who comes along selling snake-oil and temporarily mesmerises”… Where in the requisite 1/2 dozen is Obama? Does there need to be 5 more before the empire topples? Is Reagan included in the historically-determinist list? My goodness.
You cant be a historical determinist and a whig contemporaneously Smile.
*Chortle*
With that I will depart in good humor. Good night chaps. Sleep thee well.
14 days in a long time in blogosphere
I cracked the champers & predicted a 3/3/08 Hillary concession based on stats and was accused of Hubris by some & jumping the gun by others. Davidoff also thought it was over.
Now there seems to be unaminous agreement of Hillarys concession including most Media except from Hillary. Amazing how momentum changes the dynamics
There was Baracopus Non-porphrygite Obamapoulos who swayed the masses in the hippodrome in Constantinople with his slippery oratory, until of course someone pointed olut that he wasn’t born to the purple. There was the barbarian mercenary Kevin Rudd, a Varangian mercenary who hypnotised the easily swayed masses with his bland appearance of competence during the disastrous reign of John Wedgeotous (of course the leader of the Praetorian Guard – one Edward St John prevented his coup). I give you those two example Edward but “1/2 dozen”?
Said it before and I’ll say it again. Swiftboating mobilises the base – it doesn’t win the middle ground.
Don’t agree Robert if its done cleverly…a subject for a debate at another time
“You cant be a historical determinist and a whig contemporaneously”
No quite, but it appears (yet again, ho hum) that you can be a pompous git who talks out of his posterior orifice while making a complete ass of yourself.
God you’re a boring old fart Teddy, always abusive, (probably pissed?) and always keen to wave ya learnin’ around so us plebs can be impressed.
What a wanker, go back to Byzantium.
Actually, it’s also an established historical fact that in the dying days of empires, pompous would-be patricians make vague statements regarding the prevalence of people what talk nice but have little substance in order to win petty arguments on websites. They will back this up with reference to three volume histories which they suspect no-one will have the time to read in the few seconds between each post.
I know this because I read it in a book once. You should read it too Edward.
Frankly you guys are wasting good material on a ‘baiter’
SERIOUSLY , would not the best retort in future be no retort ?
he will FINALLY get frustrated at bloging at unresponded shadows
Forget Byzantium, it’s what’s happening in the region now (largely thanks to the great snake oil salesman GWBush) that’s of more concern:
‘ Iraqi Kurdish troops on Thursday encircled Turkish soldiers in northern Iraq and threatened to open fire in the most serious standoff between the two nation’s forces since Turkey threatened late last year to go after guerrillas from the Kurdistan Workers Party sheltering in Iraq. The standoff began when Turkish troops in tanks and armored vehicles left one of five bases they’ve had in Iraq since 1997 and moved to control two main roads in Dohuk province, Iraqi officials said. ‘
(McClatchy)
So a US ally, Turkey, is now sending troops into northern Iraq.
We’ve had enough snake oil, we don’t need to read ancient history for any more.
Robert B
ever read the “illuminati trilogy”
immanetization of the eschaton
look Kirribilli , he has probably been sedated by the nurses by now & is in blogosphere heaven as we speak…ignore the ‘baiting’
Just having fun Ron. BTW, must dash I just heard there’s a cabby can give me a hot tip on the decline of the Ottomans.
KR 560 -
Try harder!
561 RB
Try harder!
Ron 562
Kisses to you too!
Me? I will just keep telling the truth!
well before you get that cab Robert , in case I break my own advice in the future & not wishing to do a plagarism..can I save up your #558 blog in case I’m frustrated with ESJ in future ??????????????????????????????
565
Ron
‘baiting’? He’s just a smelly old bit of fish gut, but all he gets here is a backhander.
Remember, he’s a tory troll, serial abuser, makes false accusations and we love his scintillating observations on ancient history, as they’re so incredibly relevent.
Who needs clowns when Teddy’s here?
Interesting tale of Victoria Woodhull, first woman to run for US presidency.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAWwoodhullV.htm
gusface Says:
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:45 am
Robert B
ever read the “illuminati trilogy”
immanetization of the eschaton
let us know Gusface ?
Authors
roberts shea, robert anton wilson
(was banned i think?)
acid fuelled conspiracy trilogy that spawned/fuelled quite a few contemporary conspiracy theories.
good read as beneath the satire is a real message of how we as a society are beholden to images as opposed to actuality
semi timothy leary style with a bit of dylan thomas to boot.
569 KR,
It hurts to lose hey KR? Try harder peanutboy
ps
ron
one of the books was called “leviathan”
still available Gusface in all ‘good’ book stores as if yes I’ll look for it ?
One of the subjects I’m teaching this semester is World History. That means I’m certified as knowing everything that happened in history. So ESJ, I warn you, I know every deep dark secret you possess. Oh dear, is that all? Oh well…
Yes, Ron, you may use my musings on Byzantine history. BTW the Byzantines were beaten by the Muslims partly because the latter were more tolerant (ie they didn’t persecute the most productive provinces of their empire because they held unorthodox views regarding the trinity). What lesson is learned from this for the latter day rulers of empires? Vote for John McCain and war without end?
Good night.
Ron
was not available last times i was in goulds (newtown syd)
but that was 8 yrs ago
Mrs g collect books as hobby from garage sales etc
some beauties i can tell you
573
Edward StJohn
Lose what?
You’re barking Teddy, completely barking.
Robert
the osmans had caf
thx to you both , will try to locate
ron
“but it takes a real Beatnik to give lectures on morality to the grey alien.’
http://www.rawilson.com/about.shtml
No Robert the rot set in at the Battle of Manzikert in 1071 I believe.
“He came back several times in the next few weeks, and the sign remained. It was as he suspected: in a rigid hierarchy, nobody questions orders that seem to come from above, and those at the very top are so isolated from the actual work situation that they never see what is going on below. It was the chains of communication, not the means of production, that determined a social process.. Nothing signed “THE MGT.” would ever be challenged; the Midget could always pass himself off as the Management.
http://www.rawilson.com/illuminatus.shtml
the grey alien related to the microscope
see what you mean Gusface…looking forward to a read
the grey alien related to the microscope
see what you mean Gusface…looking forward to a read
and goodnight…very helpful
ron
may i suggest getting the 1986 or so editions
later copies are appropriately sanitized
550,
KR,
Wow, another leak in the good ship McCain……and so deftly written by the golden pen of David Brooks.
Once the cracks start, the sinking just seems inevitable somehow doesn’t it?
Ofcourse, I have been known to be wrong,but…!!
A little taste of things to come?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDg19STeVqs
Apparently there are a couple of new polls out on the Texas match-up (no links yet) – but one from ARG suggesting Obama 48/42 for Obama with a +-4 margin or error. The other poll from Decision Analyst predicts 57/43 for Obama with a +-3 point MOE.
On in the morning news – an interview with Hillary reaching into the subject of Florida and Michigan with Hillary qualifying her agreement with the DNC (limiting it to ‘I agreed not to campaign’ but ‘I didn’t agree not to seat the delegates’).
http://www.texasmonthly.com/blogs/polldancing/2008/02/hillary-seat-michigan-florida-delegates.php
#589
The ARG and Decision Analyst polls I mentioned earlier seem to be inconsistent with data published by ARG – however – I do have a quote and a link to the Decision Anslysis results.
http://www.decisionanalyst.com/publ_data/2008/obama.dai
Here is the confirmation of the ARG Texas poll – 48/42 advantage Obama.
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/txdem8-702.html
ARG polling for Vermont taken over February 20-21.
Obama: 60%
Clinton: 34%
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/vtdem8-702.html
ARG polling for Rhode Island taken over February 20-21.
Obama: 40%
Clinton: 52%
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/ridem8-702.html
CLEVELAND, OH – Superdelegate Sonny Nardi, President of Teamsters’ Local 416, today endorsed Barack Obama for President, citing his 20-year record of standing up to special interests and fighting for economic fairness.
That brings the super-delegate count to:
Obama: 171.5
Clinton: 238.0
Advantage Clinton 66.5.
Will be interesting to see where the Iseman thing goes.
My hunch is nowhere much, unless there are further revelations.
As for the Brooks article, I wish I could get paid to produce a few hundred words per day in which (in this example) the only hard fact is that there are two colleagues who don’t like each other!
Betfair latest:
Obama 1.86
McCain 3.05
Hillary 8.40
Hillary fading fast (even from 12 hours ago).
McCain in a bit (maybe the market figuring that the Iseman “scandal” is running out of puff?)
What Brooks exposed in Camp McCain is interesting, but the salient point is that McCain has denied certain accusations, which if evidence comes to light that cotnradicts him, well, he is, in one short word, history.
(And I ain’t talking about Byzantium. We already have one clown that inhabits a byzantine world of gratuitous insults and pompous gittory.)
KR @ 598,
“History” is an exaggeration, but yes, it will hurt him if it turns out the accusations are true. Plenty of politicians have survived worse, though.
Late Polls Hillary draws level with Obama Nationally , reverse momentum.
So this will be her message to the ‘Superdele’s’ at the Alamo.
But a detailed look at the State by State colleges still shows Hillary would lose in a landslide to McCain whilst Obama has a slight lead over McCain
Would you think this should be the SOLE basis on which a Superdele decides.
obviously I’m missing something here cause the Supers haven’t stampeded to O
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