The last significant presidential primaries until March 4 will be held tomorrow our time: primaries in Wisconsin and Washington for both parties, plus caucuses in Hawaii for the Democrats. Discuss them at your leisure here.
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What a sham. Hillary surely knows she can not win (as JWH knew at APEC).
Pollies art good with numbers about themselves
But the ‘political thing’ to do is to make concession based on not having big wins in Ohio and/or Texas. Who actually believes this ’spin’ except the most loyal of supporters.
But yes, Hillary will do the ‘political thing’. of course if the Polls go pear shaped for her in the interim as I expect , & Ohio & Texas end up respectively as a small Ciinton win & a Clinton loss….where is the graceful exit except in her mind.
She had her chance for legendary status & as expected spurned it. Given the same Stats in reverse plus the current National stats showing Clinton loses to McCain in a landslide would Obama continue to fight on. Think not
davidoff
- are you saying that the War Hero “did not have sex with that woman” (ah, the irony), or are you saying that they can’t prove it –
and do they need to??
#650
Stay home!
After all, the CIA would class this under the category of plausible deniability.
#652
I’m suggesting a line something along the line of “I could not have had sex with that woman” backed up by a mountain of medical evidence.
654 davidoff-
have you not heard of Viagra??
654- davidoff
have you not heard of Viagra?
But with Hillary’s health care plan … maybe he could!
#650 – Jen – It’s going to get worse. I knew this had to come. Try google “barack obama antichrist”.
I’ve been moderated!
and all I did was mention a perfectly legal pharmaceutical.
Sometimes William is so harsh.
It’s OK-
Released from the Gulag.
I don’t “moderate” people. Comments go into moderation if they include certain words, without any action on my part.
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jen Says:
February 23rd, 2008 at 5:33 pm
I’ve been moderated!
and all I did was mention a perfectly legal pharmaceutical.
Sometimes William is so harsh.
thats why we need a Blogosphere Appeals Court to adjudicate Williams harsh decisions
#659
Jen
I thought it was implicit!
LOL
At least since jen you’ve logged in , the US election discussion has gone up market….despite Williams judical decision without Appeal
Apologies Wiliam.
But why would that V word be moderated when the other one might get through?(haven’t tried it yet I must admit).
Hi Ron -
glad to have raised the tone. (have to say that is not something I’m usually credited with.)
#664
Ron
Your suggesting that William should lower the standard if Jen is logged in?
Shame on you!
Info from inside Camp Clinton:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_advisers_privately_rea.php
668
Davidoff-
” ‘Too Late’,she cried.”
665
jen Says:
February 23rd, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Apologies Wiliam.
But why would that V word be moderated when the other one might get through?(haven’t tried it yet I must admit).
This is EXACTLY WHY a Blogosphere Appeals Court is needed ,
perhaps made of three esteemed blogers.
Clearly that excludes me , however you Jen would be a worthy President of same
Stone the bloody(Jim) crows! Have a squiz at this:
TX: Obi, 57 HRC 43
http://www.decisionanalyst.com/publ_data/2008/obama.dai
Seems them Coen boys wuz right all along.
Texas is definately No Country for Old(er) (wo)Men.
Sorry, Monica and Jen it’s a cheap shot I know, but after those figures, momentarily stunned, it just slipped out.
Mr. Chigurh made me do it!
Cheers Ron,
although perhaps you overestimate my censoring abilities.
I’d let everything through except Glen , GP and ESJ, so that would reduce this site to a bunch of centrists and lefties. And then what would we talk about?
#672
Enemy Combatant
There is also the ARG poll.
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/txdem8-702.html
ah , but we still talk about them in loving terms so to speak Jen ,
its just we’d miss their reasoned responses
672 – EC
If I was Hillary
I’d have ‘done r-u-n-n-o-f-t’.
The Donor & the Insider:
” IF blah blah blah….then she can at least begin to close Obama’s lead in pledged delegates to within somewhat more manageable numbers.”
…..and then ?
a ’spin’ upon a ’spin’ within a ’spin’ gives us what Davidoff
Works for me – but you have a point – with Glen , GP and ESJ you loose the option of feeling superior and without that how are you going to move those screaming lefties over to the centre?
s/with/without
A fairytale?
Here is an article I liked – getting into (in a real way) the Clinton Obama dilemma. The article is basically about recent events (phone calls and stuff) around William Blaine Richardson III AKA Bill Richardson (one of the Democrat presidential candidates who withdrew from the race).
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/23/us/politics/23richardson.html?ref=politics
davidoff at 672, even if one “splits the difference” The Kid still comes out in front by 7 points. I’m not a stats-whiz or a pseph-head but the two sample sizes were roughly the same. One claims 90% confidence, the other 95% confidence.
What is a known known (geez I don’t miss that bastard) is that the trend big picture-wise shows Obi baby is coming home like, well an expression I used a couple of weeks back, a runaway train!
#682
Yep – my view as well. Given polling trends over in the States – I’m using these as trend indicators and that’s all. The ARG poll just adds to the feeling that things are a changing. The Texas polls seem to be doing what I expected – but I’m still worried somewhat about Ohio. There is not a lot of info out there but I’m wondering if I have overestimated Hillary’s lead.
she’s toast.
she’s so blunt – *blush*
sorry davidoff,
but I’m not one to mince words.
Unlike some of our worth opponents who talk nothing but mince.
I’m ok with the idea of ‘toast’ – thing is I’m not at all sure how the entire transition from stale bread to toast will be managed in a way we would refer to as competent and complete taking into account the full suite of heath and occupational safety regulations.
The Polls for reasons stated previuosly continue to under estimate Obama’s vote
in my opinion.
There was movement at the station & Texas was gone & Ohio slipping
and there is more time to make it uglier
davidoff- If you look at those figures, it’s the independents who will kill Billary off in Texas and there are lots of them coz there’s no point voting in the moot Repug primary. As many of us have said, Texas is going to Billary’s Alamo.
Two political pundits are sitting under a shady tree, leaning back against the trunk. Each pundit peels a banana, examines it meaningfully, takes a bite and commences to munch. The steady rhythm of mastication is broken with the following exchange.
First Pundit: Seems The Kid sure has got some momentum goin’ for him, Chuck.
Second Pundit: You know, Dave, it’s not JUST about the momentum……(chomp, chomp) for me……(further chomping)….. it goes WAY beyond that.
(Apologies to Gary Larsen.)
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Enemy Combatant Says:
February 23rd, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Texas: Obama, 57 HRC 43
http://www.decisionanalyst.com/publ_data/2008/obama.dai
Not sure anyone would take that 57/43 Poll seriously.
Thats not to say Obama won’t win Texas but 57/43 now is fairytale stuff
EC -
and then John Goodman, cleverly disguised as Dan T, rips off a branch and smashes one of them in the face, and then runs off with the votes.
and ‘chads’
yes, Ron, those figures have an aura of FantasyLand about them, but we really musn’t forget that at the end of the day, in the fullness of time, the reality is, that it’s Americans we’re dealing with here. Texan and Ohioan Americans.
Some of whom I’d like to quickly mention are amongst of my very best friends. You bet!
Jen, Dan T? Even had a quick wiki-google and drew a blank.
yes Enemy , and the irony is that Texas will sink Hillary’s campaign
and yet neither Hillary or Obama have any hope at all of winning Texas in Nov.
EC-
O Brother Where Art Thou.
Thank you, ma’am. Been a while, must rent the DVD and have another gander. Charles During is my favourite movie weasel.
That’s Durning, and he was, until Aton Chigurh popped up for a spot of bovver.
Ron @ 685
Who then?
If Texas is really “no country for old man” then maybe Obama will make history and win it off McCain in November.
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