The last significant presidential primaries until March 4 will be held tomorrow our time: primaries in Wisconsin and Washington for both parties, plus caucuses in Hawaii for the Democrats. Discuss them at your leisure here.
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I remember reading that polling booths were staying open for 2 or 3 hours after the deadline to handle the people already in the line by the deadline.
Zino, I noticed that they were ‘pimping’ Chelsea at some colleges and trying to turn the youthful from their folly of following the hologram of hope.
Guess it didn’t quite come off, eh?
(I watched her on a clip, and I must say, she’s a very ordinary speaker. If that’s their ’secret weapon’ against Obama, he’s got little to worry about! LOL)
Yeah, great turnout for the Dems. Last time I checked Obama had two and a half times the number of votes of McCain with about 40% counted for each party.
If this is what November looks like, the Republicans can kiss their ass goodbye, and kiss the Dem’s donkey hello! LOL
A fun one is the Clinton v All Republican Comers count. Clinton has won again!!
Though with the Republican race all but decided, the incentive for Republicans to turn out is minimal.
Looks like Obama is headed towards 60/40 or pretty close.
The exit polling is going to be a good read!
We’ll get to see that white folks won’t vote for the dark guy I suppose (not!).
#152
But keep in mind that Chelsea coverage in Hawaii has been celebrity style – registration starts in about 30 mins.
All aboard the hope train! *toots*
Hillary Clinton to the ABC affiliate in Honolulu on the plagiarism charge:
I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think Obama will beat the Republican machine – you seem to forget how good they are. I’m not even sure Hilary would but I’d much prefer to see it her giving it a go.
He is not an outsider, as he has painted himself, he is just an inexperienced insider and I’m betting the Repub’s can paint this better than Hilary. Change is pretty easy to make a fright campaign from, ask Latham, and hope doesn’t pay the mortgage.
But it is a long way away Obama has to get it first. I just think hope and change are going to be pretty easy to beat with experience and fear. I know democrats and far left wingers who want an American version of Bob Brown in the white house think anyone can win, but I don’t think they will.
Didn’t the person who used the digusting ‘pimping’ phrase get sacked or suspended? I guess we have to expect this kind of disgusting attack not just from the right who have made it an artform but from the immoral left as well.
CNN : 58/41, 77% count.
Her campaign has been one bit of buffoonery after another of late. It was an incredibly dangerous tactic to focus the commentariat on language and speech for a start (through conference calls issued by her campaign), now she is flat out lying about it. And the reporters who took the calls will know this and call her out on it. She’s not about winning at the moment, but trying to see the other guy lose. The Democratic Party is allowing a couple of their great statespeople to sully themselves at the moment.
The Republican machine has spent the last decade mobilising the Christian Right. They will not be able to get this bloc to fall in behind McCain. So while they can attack Obama, as far as this lot is concerned, the Republicans don’t have a candidate for them to turn out for.
So then both Obama and McCain fight for the middle. Smears won’t neccesarily help here, particularly directed towards a likable candidate.
well it has got so ugly , one wonders how many Superdelegates can resist jumping on aboard before Texas to force a concession
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jasmine
yeah, the Clinton’s went ballistic when some talking head used ‘pimping’, and if they’d said nothing it would have disappeared into the ether in a millisecond.
But to prove how dogged they are, to all sleights, they went on the attack, and once again reminded the world of what the Clinton years were really like.
Smart, eh?
So, the word is now part of the poltical lexicon, is loaded with meaning, and is a delightful term for the dubious way politicians exploit their family members to ‘humanise’ them.
Yep, they’re pimping Chelsea, but it ain’t doing them much good by the look of it.
(Remember, they used to keep her well shielded, but now that mommy is losing it, they’ve dragged her up onto the stage, then given her the microphone and then her own audiences)
Interesting that the Washington (state) primaries are quite close Obama 49.5% to Clinton 47.4 (40% counted). Yes, this primary means nothing as all the delegates were decided in the Caucuses – still not sure why they have a primary.
Jasmine,
Congress has an approval rating of 19%…that’s getting down near Brendan Nelson territory.
That is why Obama is beating Hillary.
That is why he will beat the 73yo, warmongering Washington veteran.
So, it’s a safe bet that if Obi starts tooling around in a pink cadillac convertible and walking funny his campaign could become seriously imperilled.
Apart from that, The Kid’s lookin’ good!
You’ve added two years to McCain’s age there, Harry (one if you’re projecting to November).
Have i william?
my apologies to Mr McCain.
That is why Oboma will beat the 71yo warmongering, Washington veteran.
Why are Republican Washintonians still votonig for Romney?
I mean, I can understand if he’s still on the ticket for beauracratic reasons, but that is an awful lot of protest votes against McCain.
And who would said protestees vote for in November?
Has anyone done the figures on who would be in front now if the Dems had a first-past-the-post winner-take-all process like the GOP?
Apparently pre-poll voting starts in TX today…
#171 – GG – according to my tally Hillary 1317 and Obama 1215 (including Wisconson and Hawaii)
Oh, and seeing as I posted on Clinton going after pledged delegates earlier, I should mention their denial…
Clinton Spokesperson Rules Out Pursuit Of Obama’s Pledged Delegates
By Greg Sargent – February 19, 2008, 10:55AM
Hillary spokesperson Phil Singer is adamantly denying a report this morning in The Politico quoting an anonymous campaign official suggesting that the Clinton campaign will pursue Obama’s pledged delegates. Singer sends me this:
We have not, are not and will not pursue the pledged delegates of Barack Obama. It’s now time for the Obama campaign to be clear about their intentions.
Is Hawaii closing now? Am I calculating right?
173 – Thanks Fin
#175
Your calculations are correct.
First a couple of lines from satirist Lenny Bruce’s early 60’s routine , “How To Relax Your Coloured Friends At Parties”:
(spoken onstage to a black actor)
“That Joe Louis was a helluva fighter, he knew when to get in there, then get the hell out again which is a lot more than I can say for a lot of you n*ggers!……..”
“That Bojangles, Chr*st could he tapdance!”
And now this lead balloon today from Camp Hillary:
“Those remarks, however, paled in comparison to the criticisms launched by Clinton’s introductory speaker, Machinists Union President Tom Buffenbarger. As Ken Vogel reported for Politico, Buffenbarger “compared Obama with ‘Janus, the two-faced god’ of Roman mythology. He called him ’silver tongued’ and a ‘thespian’ and ‘the man in love with the microphone.’”
“He’s not just a trained thespian, he’s a terrific shadow boxer. You know the type. Outside the ring, he pretends he can float like a butterfly and sting like a bee,” he said. “But Barack Obama is no Muhammad Ali. He took a walk every time there was a tough vote in the Illinois state Senate. He took a walk more than 130 times. That’s what a shadow boxer does. All the right moves, all the right combinations, all the right footwork, but he never steps into the ring. He walks away from the fight.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/19/clinton-calls-to-congratu_n_87492.html
This kind of crap will blowback major on her campaign. The Kid is anything but a black political palooka. After Bubba’s racist boo-boos last week which haemorrhaged black support from HRC’s camp, we can only assume that Team Billary just doesn’t get it.
I mean 2008 America. She’s finished, caput, irrelevant. History, actually.
Careful, they might hear you.
“Michelle Obama’s comments under fire – By Jill Lawrence, USA TODAY – Michelle Obama, wife of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, is taking heat for saying Monday at a Milwaukee rally that “for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country — and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.”
While I have nothing against Senator Obama, it will be interesting to see what Rove pulls out of his sleeve if/when Obama becomes the nominee. He’s run out against Clinton – been going at both of them for a decade or more.
So you just don’t think women have a place in politics is that it? The involvement of Hilary’s daughter in the democratic process needs to be expressed as sexual exploitation and then you need to muck around in the republican sleeze of the Clinton years.
There really isn’t anything I can say expect the republican dirt machine has a place for you to help McCain rip Obama to shreds during the election. I hope the voters don’t fall for it but I wont be surprised if they did AGAIN.
180 Matthew
Maybe Obama visited Scores………….BOO!!!!!!!!!
Jasmine you sound like a fan of Hillary Clinton. fair enough. thats great.
you also sound afraid that the nasty Repugs will rip Obama apart.
People were saying the vaunted Clinton machine will rip him apart.
Fret not….Obama will comfortably beat McCain….comfortably.
and after electing a Black candidate this time….don’t worry, a womans turn will come.
Yet another nail in the Billary coffin. Latest Texas poll shows her 50/48. She’s gonna lose Texas for sure. Damn that Giuliani big state strategy. Or perhaps she’ll say Texas doesn’t really count anyway because it’s party a caucus vote.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/18/cnn-texas-poll-dead-heat-among-democrats/
Just a follow-up on the donation rate on Obama’s site that I mentioned yesterday – in the last 24 hours: 21,272 donations, bringing the total number of donations since the start of the year to 480,059.
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Ron
Seems so – Milwaukee voted 64/35 in favor of Obama.
A week ago for Texas, Clinton was 57/43 and I said then Obama’s massive 10 zip likely Primary winning momentum would make Texas 4/3/08 Clinton 51/49
and that she would concede on 3/3/08 the day before on polls or the day of
SURELY her numbers men are saying get out NOW with some grace
as those Texas figures may end up even uglier
Ron #187,
Four montha ago, people were urging McCain to “get out with grace”. His campaign was bankrupt, and he was under severe personal attack by his opponents. Pehaps Hillary is hoping for a similar comeback.
Matthew,
4 months ago the voting hadn’t started.
now they’re nearly over.
and they tell a story.
the comebacks have happened. McCain and Obama.
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Mathew Cole
You may be right MC, but she’ll have to wait until she’s 71 at this rate!
I’m so appalled that all those white folks won’t vote for the dark guy, though! LOL
Now, who said Obama couldn’t win in white states with primaries?
Remind me again? Was it Hillary? Jesse Jackson? Who was it…?
Hawaii (8% of the count)
Obama 77%
Clinton 23%
Davidoff – Congratulations on coming so close on your Wisconsin estimate.
You deserve the plaque in the League of Super Heroes in my book
yeah, well done Zino, ya blitzing the polls.
Crikey this Obama is on fire, and re-writing the textbooks. It’s going to be something else when he takes the Oval Office and sets up an administration of capable people with principles rather than toadies and neocons.
As for the straight talking McCain, just look at the numbers voting in WI today.
Obama had almost three times as many people cast a vote for him. Tell me how McCain is going to beat that? (yeah, they’re not turning out, blah de blah because they are not even interested enough to turn out, that’s why)
Come November, and the whole Rovian Republican Reich will be dust.
Hawaii (26% of the count)
Obama 74%
Clinton 26%
CNN. Hawaii. OB 74/26 with 26% reporting
asanque, KR – thanks but I figure Ron will taking line honors for the Hawaii projection if initial results are anything to go by.
So Obama’s only 74% now? It’s the narrowing! Clinton will win for sure!
It’s the big Kahuna wipeout for Hillary! LOL
(Kahuna is a Hawaiian word, defined in the Pukui & Elbert Dictionary as “Priest, sorcerer, magician, wizard, minister, expert in any profession.” )
To be fair on the republicans there’s not much incentive to come out and vote given that that nomination is sewn up. In-fact many republicans voted in the Democratic race.
Kirri Kahuna, we all get such a special thrill when you get mildly didactic on our arses.
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