The last significant presidential primaries until March 4 will be held tomorrow our time: primaries in Wisconsin and Washington for both parties, plus caucuses in Hawaii for the Democrats. Discuss them at your leisure here.
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Enemy Combatant
And you sir, did a great service to quotations by informing us ignorant loathing lefties about the proper use of the right bower! (loved it, by the way!)
199
Claude
And a lot of independents by the look of it.
Hawaii (51% of the count)
Obama 76%
Clinton 23%
After 9th straight loss, drubbing, shellacking, thumping by Obama, Hillary is only 62 behind (according to CNN). Hillary at 1239 and Obama at 1301. Meanwhile, there is still 1594 delegates to be fought for. Bring it ON!! It’s certainly more exciting than the GOP dead men walking contest.
State – Date – No of delegates
Rhode Is. – 4/03 – 32
Vermont– 4/03 – 23
Texas – 4/03 – 228
Ohio – 4/03 – 161
Wyoming – 8/03 – 18
Mississipi – 11/03 – 40
Pennsylvania – 22/04 – 188
Guam – 3/05 – 9
Indiana – 6/05 – 84
North Carolina – 6/05 – 134
West Virginia – 13/05 – 39
Kentuckey – 20/05 – 60
Oregon – 20/05 – 65
Montana – 3/06 – 24
South Dakota – 3/06 – 23
Puerto Rico – 7/06 – 63
Total – 1191
Plus the Superdelegates left: 403
Grand Total: 1594.
Camp Clinton supports are not happy!
Hawaii (71% of the count)
Obama 75%
Clinton 24%
Hillary has gained a point – is that a narrowing?
It certainly looks like Hillary’s campaign has had the biscuit. Her cornerstone constituencies are succumbing to Obama’s appeals and he is now so far in front in the delegate count that Hillary has no real chance of catching him. The contest for the Democratic nomination has been prolonged and close-fought but this will work to Obama’s favour. He will be able to say he has put himself before all the voters and won fair and square.
Hillary – much as she wants the gig – will soon have to concede in the best interests of all she has espoused and fought for, not to mention for the sake of her own reputation.
And once nominated, Obama will become unstoppable.
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davidoff
Imagine, if you will, Hillary in a Hawaiian shirt, nodding, nodding, and telling the crowd that she’s ready on day one!
I think today’s result will have wiped the plastic smile off her face too. This is it for Hillary Clinton, so stand back, if my hunch is right, she’ll be ready to start tearing off heads.
Pass the popcorn…I’m enjoying this…
Finnigans has donned Glen’s silks and is riding that dead horse all the way to the line.
The Finnegans, it’s actually ten losses. And the counts range from about a 60 lead to Obama on CNN, to the Washington Post’s lead of 126 for Obama (1423-1297). AP is showing a lead of 74 (1319-1245).
None of these numbers account for WI and HI delegates, so you can add a 20 lead to Obama in each case. I admire your tenacious support, but your candidate is gone, no matter how much you want to spin here.
Oh gosh – is that dirt I see in the rear-view mirror?
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4766
Gosh!
Davidoff , my friend you are 2% closer to Obama’s vote in Wisconsin
than I & have deservingly won the Fonz prize for bringing us ‘Happy Days’
unqualified congratulations.
surely your fridge isn’t empty as we speak
as for EC #200 , I can find no polling on that word
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blindoptimist
Hillary concede?
Are we talking about the same Hillary?
You know, the one married to Bill Clinton! Shredded, in public, a conga line of his bimbos, snarled at Kenneth Starr, seen off various collegues with vicious knee-capping, and waited these last few years as Senator for New York while plotting to get back into the Whitehouse and line up voodoo dolls of all the creeps that crossed her on the great Health Care Plan that died still borne????
That Hillary?
Something odd on the CNN count for Hawaii – total count figure has moved backwards from 71 to 68%. Current numbers are:
Obama 76%
Clinton 24%
Nah, the poor guy is meth addled, and his memory is shot. It wasn’t Obama he was doing the business with, it was Pastor Ted, and on a few occasions a threesome with Republican Senator Larry (wide stance) Craig.
#209 #210
“And the first one now
Will later be last”
It is now for Obama to lose, so we will see.
last post was in reply to:
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davidoff
#211 – davidoff – No, it’s the swiftboat PT-109 coming around the corner skipped by JFK.
Evening all. Seems that Obama supporters and most of Hawaii are delusional.
Likely to be plenty more stuff along the lines of this column from latest Washingotn Post. Try this bit:
“The Obama Delusion” by Robert J Samuelson
“… The contrast between his broad rhetoric and his narrow agenda is stark, and yet the media — preoccupied with the political “horse race” — have treated his invocation of “change” as a serious idea rather than a shallow campaign slogan. He seems to have hypnotized much of the media and the public with his eloquence and the symbolism of his life story. The result is a mass delusion that Obama is forthrightly engaging the nation’s major problems when, so far, he isn’t. ”
Should we break out the lithium to banish our florid delusions?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/19/AR2008021902336.html
Sure boss. I’ll give you a grovelling apology if Clinton gets across the line. Do you have the confidence to offer the same?
Clinton supporters are now getting inot rationalization mode – apparently its the Republicans coming out to vote, switching party allegiance, and voting for Obama in order to kill off the potential insurmountable opposition that would be posed by Hilary Clinton.
Finn , Clinton can not mathematically win because of the proportion allocation of delegates
Last week I went through all 18 Primary to come & left Clintons THEN massive Poll leads unchanged
Texas 59/41 , Ohio 59/41 West Virginia 56/44 , Kentucky 57/43 & Pennsa. 59/41
and with a 50/50 split of unpledged Superdelegates…produces a tie
I then opened the champers as those huge Clinton leads were unrealistic.
Meaning Clinton needs a MAJORITY of Superdelegates to support her vs. a guy whose won the most votes, the most States and the most “Primary” delegates
#220 – There is nothing to apologize. It’s only a game. There are more important things in life than this tupid political game.
The sun is still shining, the leaves are swaying, the birds are singing, my family they are all healthy and happy (hope yours is ditto). I still sing, dance and eat well. So who gives a f^^^^ about Hillary or Obama.
Samuelson’s argument is weak. In the middle of the piece he states:
‘Whatever one thinks of these ideas, they’re standard goody-bag politics: something for everyone. They’re so similar to many Clinton proposals that her campaign put out a news release accusing Obama of plagiarizing.’
So which is it? Obama has nothing while Hillary is of substance, or he has the same agenda as her?
The policy difference that is popularly notable between them has to do with the war. It is understood that Obama will extricate the US from Iraq within 18 months, while Hillary believes in military interventionism and will follow a populist course of action.
Asides this their ’substance’ is pretty similar. Their policies are similar. Many of their respective advisors had previously worked together (in the Clinton administration no less). And they won’t diverge before one gets the nod.
addition: Clinton needs a MAJORITY of still unpledged Superdelegates
Piers moonlighting at the Cleveland Leader i see Davidoff!!!!
I understand it’s a game. That’s why I wanted to put something on the table.
But that’s ok in any case, my point is made.
#227 – I have already pledged and put it on the table that I will donate to WB $50 if Hillary wins, $20 if Obama wins and my tears if “Dead man” McCain wins.
219
jaundiced view
I read that article earlier and noted that the guy first says that when he met Obama he was impressed. But hey, now that he’s the leader in the Dem race, well, let’s see, he’s not offering a cure for cancer, or world peace, and hey, can the guy please explain, in one sound byte or less, how he intends to fix entropy?
I mean, entropy! If he cannot explain to the voters how to overcome entropy then he’s just another bit of political fluff, and we all need that, eh?
It’s gunna finish the universe, eventually, and this Obama guy doesn’t say one word about it! I mean, can you believe that?
The Finnegans 228 – fair play to you. I’m done being a smartarse.
#230 – It’s alright comrade, now that Castro has retired.
JV
I liked this comment, at the end of a US blogger’s post:
Neither Clinton nor Obama can just wave a magic wand and say “let’s make this specific thing happen”. There are checks and balances in our system that prevents that.
However, POTUS is a bully pulpit which, in the right hands, can move Congress in the right direction on all of these. Obama can do that. Hillary can’t. That’s reason #1 I’ll vote for him.
Reason #2 is that he’s the reason voting is up this year. More people are involved. For the first time in my memory (I’m 52) I’ll be voting for someone instead of against someone.
…says it all really.
224 Pancho & 229 KR – Agree – Samuelson seems to be trying to say, ‘Obama speaks better than Clinton about the same policies, therefore Clinton deserves support.’
It’s really just an all out attack on Obama’s strong suit – one of a heap of them coming his way, all the way to November.
The Finnegans , you are still a paid up ship member & welcome at all times ,
it seems some have confused your support for Obama over Clinton but doubts of Obama withstanding the McCain swiftboats as support for Clinton
…hell the other night was first accused as a Communist and later a neocon such is the misunderstandings bloging brings
see my #220 , its the Democratic system of proportional voting that gives the 2nd place getter the mirage of being able to catch up when prportionally he
can not
Did someone seriously suggest that Hillary will surrender BEFORE Texas and Ohio????!!! Huh???
We are talking about Hillary CLINTON and not EDMUND Hillary aren’t we?? Cos…the latter has already checked out of course. The former, however, won’t be surrendering anytime soon. She may get redder in the face, increasingly shrill and irrational in her attacks on the young guy; maniacally dangerous towards anyone nearby who even LOOKS like they want her to give up.
But Hillary hoist the white flag BEFORE Texas?? C’mon…let her have her very own Alamo.
Well Ron,
I still don’t buy your “3rd of March” theory but I must admit the 5th of March is looking more and more possible.
Do you think she’ll ask for Secretary of State?
FG @ 235,
Agree.
Her whole life’s success or failure (as she would see it) are now to be decided in the next 13 days of campaigning. She won’t be giving up now. But she might give up if she gets slammed in O+T.
#234 – My rationale has always been that Obama is a naughty boy because it should be lady first and I dont want to see the good dies young. Some lunatic in the US probably already mumbling to himself or herself that no n**g** is going to be my president. Get my drift?
Finnigans,
I think the scenario you refer to has been thought of by many.
Let’s hope the Secret Service are on their game.
can some one enlighten me pls
1) are all the remaining states based on a proportioning of delegates
ie is 52/48 really much of a difference for democratic primaries
2) will either democratic candidate be able to win any southern states?
if yes who and which states will they win in the presidental election
238
The Finnigans
Yes we do, and so does he, and so does everyone who admires his courage to be the first person of colour to stand for POTUS with a serious chance to get it.
Would you?
Dyno,
if she concedes on the 5th, she’ll get any post she wants.
if she holds on,throwing mud all the way to the convention, she’ll get nothin.
KR @ 232 – Yes, and now the enthusiastic new voters turning out for Obama are being painted as delusional members a a new cult, with the cult leader Obama portrayed as a preening souffle whose performance is all smoke and mirrors.
This they hope to contrast beside plain-talking Hillary, the solid experienced technician ready with the tool box to get down to real work for the people.
I’d do the same thing if I was running Hillary’s campaign (shudder)
If Obama gets the nomination McCain’s people will run the same line I daresay
#239 – It’s probably the lunatic from the SS!!! Remember Indira Gandhi. She was killed by her own personal bodyguard.
HH @ 242,
Pretty much agree except that he wouldn’t give her VP (makes Bill too close to things) and I don’t think she’d take it anyway.
Strutting around the world as SoS might be to her taste though.
I think the opportunity for her to be SoS will have sailed by 5 March. And I’m not entirely sure if Obama would want team Clinton in that role – you’d think it would be cause for major friction.
Dyno,
yes i agree about no VP.
The looney Right are a pretty dispirited bunch at the moment….and its only gonna get worse for them come November and beyond.
It will be McCain and Obama courting the middle and independant ground at the election then ignoring the loonies after.
The looney Right commentariat will be shrieking and squwarking but less and less will be listening.
How about throwing them some red meat and nominating Hillary for the Supreme Court when one of them falls off the perch and makes ESJ or Diogenes happy.
It would be good to see Edwards on the court.
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jaundiced view
McCain has obviously concluded that Obama will be in the other corner come November so he’s made a couple of quite geriatric swings. Talk about shadow boxing! LOL
McCain would have loved Hillary, but Obama represents some huge challenges, not the least is the youth, vitality and the little issue of Iraq. At least Macca could say that Hillary voted for it, but there’s no such luck with Obama.
It’s not hard to realise that McCain is now out of step with the majority who want out of Iraq, and Obama will skewer him on that issue alone.
Meanwhile, oil is $100/barrel, the financial markets are in meltdown, the housing market’s been hit by a typhoon, and they are staring at a recession which may the biggest thing since the Depression.
Let’s see Macca talk that up! LOL
( It’s not a comparison that should be made flippantly, but 911 was nothing compared with the financial destruction that the Republicans have overseen. The Islamic bogey is NOT the biggest threat to the USA, it’s the unregulated markets and shysters who’ve been allowed to corrupt Washington to look away while they raped/plundered and pillaged)
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