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	<title>Comments on: Newspoll: 51-49 to Labor in NSW</title>
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		<title>By: MDMConnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>MDMConnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 09:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrt Coogee

I wonder if a portion of the inner city, affluent Green vote is actually due to Liberal voters who vote tactically against Labor. They know the Liberals can&#039;t win, and the party puts zero effort into these seats, so register their anti-Labor protest in this manner.

I&#039;m thinking of Wenworth at the last election where the Liberals got a substantial hike in their vote around Darlinghurst and Paddington which were previously in ultra-safe Sydney. Clearly, when the party actively campaigned and gave them a genuine option, they were prepared to vote Liberal. It&#039;s possible that areas like Randwick, Clovelly, Bondi and Coogee could see a similar shift if the party got its act together.</description>
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<p>I wonder if a portion of the inner city, affluent Green vote is actually due to Liberal voters who vote tactically against Labor. They know the Liberals can&#8217;t win, and the party puts zero effort into these seats, so register their anti-Labor protest in this manner.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of Wenworth at the last election where the Liberals got a substantial hike in their vote around Darlinghurst and Paddington which were previously in ultra-safe Sydney. Clearly, when the party actively campaigned and gave them a genuine option, they were prepared to vote Liberal. It&#8217;s possible that areas like Randwick, Clovelly, Bondi and Coogee could see a similar shift if the party got its act together.</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stewart J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those still interested, here&#039;s the final 3 pars from the SMH this morning:

&quot;In the end Mr Costa took to the stage on Saturday. His arms were flailing, his voice rising. On ABC TV yesterday it was referred to as a &quot;Mussolini-like&quot; performance. The vote went 702 votes to 107 against him.

&quot;Just before the negotiations ended, Mr Tripodi, outside the meeting room, turned to the assembled unionists and said: &quot;We&#039;re dead, anyway.&quot;

&quot;Asked whether Mr Tripodi was referring to the union or the Government, a union source said: &quot;I think he meant the whole shebang, the conference, the party, the lot.&quot;

Gotta love &quot;Mussolini-like performance&quot; and Tripodi&#039;s commentary on the NSW ALP...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those still interested, here&#8217;s the final 3 pars from the SMH this morning:</p>
<p>&#8220;In the end Mr Costa took to the stage on Saturday. His arms were flailing, his voice rising. On ABC TV yesterday it was referred to as a &#8220;Mussolini-like&#8221; performance. The vote went 702 votes to 107 against him.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just before the negotiations ended, Mr Tripodi, outside the meeting room, turned to the assembled unionists and said: &#8220;We&#8217;re dead, anyway.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Asked whether Mr Tripodi was referring to the union or the Government, a union source said: &#8220;I think he meant the whole shebang, the conference, the party, the lot.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gotta love &#8220;Mussolini-like performance&#8221; and Tripodi&#8217;s commentary on the NSW ALP&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kirribilli Removals</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirribilli Removals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 09:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iemma grows some, as Colbert would say, either that or he watched Andrew Bolt suggest he stands up against the unionista and goes ahead with the power privatisation.

Gotta say, he didn&#039;t have much choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iemma grows some, as Colbert would say, either that or he watched Andrew Bolt suggest he stands up against the unionista and goes ahead with the power privatisation.</p>
<p>Gotta say, he didn&#8217;t have much choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Raue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Raue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 02:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since council elections have been raised again, I might mention again that it might be good to have an open local council thread. Sure, it&#039;s not reasonable to expect William to stay on top of all the councils up for the election this year (all of NSW and Victoria, over 50% of Australia), but so many people on here would have knowledge about their local council that I reckon it would be really informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since council elections have been raised again, I might mention again that it might be good to have an open local council thread. Sure, it&#8217;s not reasonable to expect William to stay on top of all the councils up for the election this year (all of NSW and Victoria, over 50% of Australia), but so many people on here would have knowledge about their local council that I reckon it would be really informative.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Raue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Raue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 02:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also remember that, unlike state and federal, you actually have to live in a council area to run in the area. But it&#039;s true that Botany stands out amongst the councils on the inner sydney peninsula, the other six councils nearby have all had Green mayors or deputy mayors: Sydney, Woollahra, Waverley, Randwick, Leichhardt and Marrickville.

But I don&#039;t know Botany council area that well. Is it really demographically similar to the councils around it? I know a lot of its territory is covered by the port and the airport, but is it&#039;s population undergoing the same gentrification as those around it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also remember that, unlike state and federal, you actually have to live in a council area to run in the area. But it&#8217;s true that Botany stands out amongst the councils on the inner sydney peninsula, the other six councils nearby have all had Green mayors or deputy mayors: Sydney, Woollahra, Waverley, Randwick, Leichhardt and Marrickville.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t know Botany council area that well. Is it really demographically similar to the councils around it? I know a lot of its territory is covered by the port and the airport, but is it&#8217;s population undergoing the same gentrification as those around it?</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stewart J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 01:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In respect of Botany Council - if the ALP let through the changes to the LG Act this may yet change, but it all hinges on them accepting an LC amendment on having elections within 12 months of sacking a Council - this Govt has a like for long periods of administration under Govt-appointed (and potentially compliant) Administrators...

And yes the Greens should run in Botany...finding candidates may be the issue of course, as less than 10% means its a tough area to find good candidates to stand as a Green!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In respect of Botany Council &#8211; if the ALP let through the changes to the LG Act this may yet change, but it all hinges on them accepting an LC amendment on having elections within 12 months of sacking a Council &#8211; this Govt has a like for long periods of administration under Govt-appointed (and potentially compliant) Administrators&#8230;</p>
<p>And yes the Greens should run in Botany&#8230;finding candidates may be the issue of course, as less than 10% means its a tough area to find good candidates to stand as a Green!</p>
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		<title>By: Antony Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antony Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 01:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is the rise in the Green vote which is the reason why the Liberals will be doubtful at throwing money at Coogee. It seems that gentrification in the inner-city of Sydney, which is causing a huge lift in average incomes in traditionally Labor suburbs, results in a rise in Green vote rather than Liberal vote. The Coogee problem for the Liberals is voters deserting Labor for the Greens rather than the Liberals. But, with optional preferential voting, a ding-dong battle between labor and the Greens in Coogee could benefit the Liberals with the highest primary vote.

As for Heffron, if the Greens have their heads screwed on, they will contest Botany Bay Council rather than leave the Hoenig Labor team to have another walkover. Botany Bay Council is the only Sydney council that doesn&#039;t use Proportional Representation. But it was also the Heffron booths in Botany Bay where the Greens got less than 10% in 2007, where their vote was above 30% in the more gentrified areas from Erskineville through St Peters and Alexandria to parts of Redfern.

It&#039;s the same pattern in Marrickville. The Green vote dominates around Newtown, but areas in the west of the electorate that have not been less gentrified see Labor still dominating over the Greens.

It will be interesting to see how Marrickville Council goes in September. Labor lost control because of a botched attempt to gerrymander the ward boundaries. Labor had the highest vote, but the Greens got more seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the rise in the Green vote which is the reason why the Liberals will be doubtful at throwing money at Coogee. It seems that gentrification in the inner-city of Sydney, which is causing a huge lift in average incomes in traditionally Labor suburbs, results in a rise in Green vote rather than Liberal vote. The Coogee problem for the Liberals is voters deserting Labor for the Greens rather than the Liberals. But, with optional preferential voting, a ding-dong battle between labor and the Greens in Coogee could benefit the Liberals with the highest primary vote.</p>
<p>As for Heffron, if the Greens have their heads screwed on, they will contest Botany Bay Council rather than leave the Hoenig Labor team to have another walkover. Botany Bay Council is the only Sydney council that doesn&#8217;t use Proportional Representation. But it was also the Heffron booths in Botany Bay where the Greens got less than 10% in 2007, where their vote was above 30% in the more gentrified areas from Erskineville through St Peters and Alexandria to parts of Redfern.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same pattern in Marrickville. The Green vote dominates around Newtown, but areas in the west of the electorate that have not been less gentrified see Labor still dominating over the Greens.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see how Marrickville Council goes in September. Labor lost control because of a botched attempt to gerrymander the ward boundaries. Labor had the highest vote, but the Greens got more seats.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is fascinating to note the evolution of the old Sydney middle-class seats, look at Strathfield &amp; Drummoyne going opposite ways; NESBs vs. Anglo water front yuppies? Question for Greens is whether they can go beyond an appeal to left-wing Labor voters to an appeal to disillusioned Labor voters more generally as the Democrats once did. Does their increasing vote suggest this? NSW is so socially diverse that different political systems emerge in different regions. Labor&#039;s collapse in rural NSW created a political vacuum that the independents filled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is fascinating to note the evolution of the old Sydney middle-class seats, look at Strathfield &amp; Drummoyne going opposite ways; NESBs vs. Anglo water front yuppies? Question for Greens is whether they can go beyond an appeal to left-wing Labor voters to an appeal to disillusioned Labor voters more generally as the Democrats once did. Does their increasing vote suggest this? NSW is so socially diverse that different political systems emerge in different regions. Labor&#8217;s collapse in rural NSW created a political vacuum that the independents filled.</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stewart J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antony, having sat on a booth with a local Lib campaigner, and had to listen to him complain about the party putting nothing into Coogee, I&#039;m sure that even a moderately funded campaign could pay dividends. Flegg was also perceived as a Queenslander and not local. But you are right - like Wentworth, Coogee has a long history of just not moving. But I personally think that a better gauge of its likely move is to be found not with its high income earners, but their professions of those earners. Just as Balmain, Marrickville, Heffron and Vaucluse now see sizable Green votes, this is where you find inner-urban professionals living and working. If you want to a post-materialist viewpoint, these are the people who are comfortable enough, and educated enough, to be now considering issues beyond their hip pockets. I note that Keneally in Heffrom won 56% on primary, but a bad election could change that - with the Greens on 19% and the Libs on 21%, preferences could become very interesting.

So, you are of course right, in that the election will be won and lost in the outer-urban and regional-urban seats on the Central Coast, but the shift in voting in the inner-city and east could open up new possibilities for both Libs and Greens - if they are prepared to grasp them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antony, having sat on a booth with a local Lib campaigner, and had to listen to him complain about the party putting nothing into Coogee, I&#8217;m sure that even a moderately funded campaign could pay dividends. Flegg was also perceived as a Queenslander and not local. But you are right &#8211; like Wentworth, Coogee has a long history of just not moving. But I personally think that a better gauge of its likely move is to be found not with its high income earners, but their professions of those earners. Just as Balmain, Marrickville, Heffron and Vaucluse now see sizable Green votes, this is where you find inner-urban professionals living and working. If you want to a post-materialist viewpoint, these are the people who are comfortable enough, and educated enough, to be now considering issues beyond their hip pockets. I note that Keneally in Heffrom won 56% on primary, but a bad election could change that &#8211; with the Greens on 19% and the Libs on 21%, preferences could become very interesting.</p>
<p>So, you are of course right, in that the election will be won and lost in the outer-urban and regional-urban seats on the Central Coast, but the shift in voting in the inner-city and east could open up new possibilities for both Libs and Greens &#8211; if they are prepared to grasp them.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod and Meng, Bolt is hurting. He is certainly feeling the pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod and Meng, Bolt is hurting. He is certainly feeling the pain.</p>
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