After yesterday’s North Carolina landslide and Indiana cliffhanger, most commentators have upgraded Barack Obama’s chances of securing the Democratic nomination from likely to (almost) certain. The next stage in the contest, assuming it gets that far, is next week’s primary for West Virginia, at which 28 delegates will be elected through a “modified” primary open to independents and registered Democrats.
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The latest SUSA for Oregon has Obama up among women (52-45) all age groups except the over 65s (which Clinton narrowly wins 51-46) and those fabled white voters (55-42).
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=94e9005d-d8d6-46e2-b09a-697a4e23a900
Obama obviously has similar thoughts about WV & KY as Paul Keating had about Darwin – it’s the place you fly over on the way to somewhere else. He has barely mounted a campaign there.
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Pancho
yeah, another ‘black state’ he’ll win eh? LOL
(notice that in race, they have not even included black!)
Maybe it’s the shortage of banjos in Oregon?
No “Plunking for Hillary” here.
‘this election is about history-in-the-making” , a far left politcally correct academia led revolution with an undefined intellectual philosophical base but somewhat recycled Dr Jim Cairns progressive+
Real world , West Virginia polling :
Sufolk Clinton +36% ,
ARG Clinton + 43% ,
Rasmussen Clinton +29% and
TSG Clinton +29%
A day away from a Democrat Primary in WV and NOT an Obambot comment.
Is this the new politic , ignore adverse Obama news or do certain parts of the US don’t exist now with WV joining the 2.3 million of FL & MI to be not counted.
This fair & balanced WV political discussion here is a surprise
1302
Ferny Grover
maybe his team talked him out of campaigning there in a white hood and robe!
G’day Ron, tuning up your banjo for the big contest, eh?
Plunking for Hillary is like voting for Menzies, it’s too late, but (not-so-fast) Eddy would no doubt approve.
The gossip’s getting louder that Huckabee could be McCain’s running mate:
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/5/12/source-huckabee-tops-mccains-veep-list.html
It’s getting too easy
1307
Ferny Grover
What a crack-up if Huckster could muscle himself into that spot!
Here’s McCain desperately trying to appeal to independents with his nod to science and climate change, while his running partner is putting up his hand against evolution! LOL
The odd couple, or what?
Actually Ron, I’ve made several mentions that WV is going to be a walloping for Obama. But you obviously missed them – so -
WV IS GOING TO BE A WALLOPING FOR OBAMA!
There.
The reality is that it can’t change the maths, so I imagine that’s why the commentary, not only here but also in the MSM, has been muted re WV and KY.
A great view of FL & MI here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/12/214342/484/91/514521
KR
Which one is Oscar and which is Felix?? I’m thinkin’ McCain is Felix and Huckster is going to be his perpetual embarrasment
Molesworth @
Actually it was Nevada whos governor was in trouble not Nebraska. Nevada is worth more than some 1 or 2 of Nebraska’s college votes.
“Mr. Gibbons was featured twice in Countdown with Keith Olbermann as the Worst Person in the World. The first was on October 24th, 2006 for escorting a woman to her car after drinking with her, and then allegedly assaulting her. The second time was on April 12th, 2007 because he has been under FBI investigation for a no-bid contract to a long-time friend and campaign contributor.”
There are a couple of other problems he has had in the article also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gibbons_(United_States_politician)#cite_note-15
There is a rumour that alaska could prove abit of a sleaper for the democrats.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/alaska/election_2008_alaska_presidential_election
Paying significant atention to states like that could at worst force McCain to spend as much time as Obama in those states that the GOP are taking for granted, thus limmiting the time he spends in States like Ohio which thus helps him in that state also. The Dakotas are another example of this. It worked quite effectivley in bennalong and wentworth here as a strategy
@ 1135*
Mon May12: Cindy is a hardline water-closet feminist. Watch the fiesty Bud heiress display her talent for ball-breakerism as McMaverick readies himself to launch his long dormant credentials as an Environmentalist.
http://news.yahoo.com/edcartoons/tedrall;_ylt=AuDkT8Lk3YvW7zohcC1O6r1W_b4F
File under Terminology
http://caglepost.com/cartoon/Pat+Bagley/50705/Myanmar+Burma+Typhoon+Color.html
On the Creaming of Brutusina:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/top-10-reasons-obama-defe_b_101307.html
In the afterglow of last night, here’s a little song for Hillary I’ve put together for all the Bludgers.
Ron and Eddy on dueling banjos will be plunking along to the well known tune, so althogether Bludgers:
A few of my favourite things
Teardrops on telly and Bill’s aging old kittens,
Bright spots on chatshows and Chelsea in mittens,
Brown paper packages, (dough with no strings!),
These are a few of my favourite things.
Cream coloured posters with “Hillary’s Old Gals”
Having a beer/shot with my whitey new pals,
Bill’s erectile dysfunction clipping his wings,
These are a few of my favourite things.
When the vote tanks,
When Obama sings,
When I’m feeling sad,
I simply remember my favourite things,
And then I don’t feel, so bad.
“New Style Politics” Question Number 1 to the Obamaphiles:
Is Pres. Obama going to ratify kyoto the next day as per Our Dear Leader has done? Yes or No please, no half pregnant.
I just wanna say that:
WV IS GOING TO BE A WALLOPING FOR OBAMA!!
Cos apparently we’re not saying that enough ’round these parts.
*plucka pluck pluck pluck pluck plucka pluck*
(that’s “Deliverance” dontcha know)
Geez, that’s a hard one Finn. I give up! Let me put a call through to Axelrod on that one. Get right back to you.
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Ferny Grover
With a plunk plunk here, and a plunk plunk there,
Here a plunk, there a plunk, everywhere a plunk plunk,
Old Hick Hillary had a farm, e-i-e-i-oooooooooo!
Enemy Combatant @ 1126
Yes seeing Hacking Democracy earlier this year was very depressing to watch.
http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/hackingdemocracy/synopsis.html
It is unfortunate that Bob Taft the most unpoular governor in Ohio History failed to get what he disearved due to term limmits.
1304
Ron Says:
May 13th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
‘this election is about history-in-the-making” , a far left politcally correct academia led revolution with an undefined intellectual philosophical base but somewhat recycled Dr Jim Cairns progressive+
……
It’s just too little, too late for Hillary. She has scored some big wins and some little ones, but all in all, she hasn’t had the numbers and isn’t going to get them. This is the dead rubber.
Clearly, Kirri, you are a man with no idle vices in a room somewhere far away from the cold night air. Bloomin’ luv-er-ly.
Absolutely, Ferny! Boy’s gon have to crawl right back into that woodpile after the whuppin’ he’s gon git in Appalachia.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
Couple of highlights:
I guess that is a little more cerebral than a yes/no, but if the nuance ain’t too much, I guess the long answer would be – probably not the ‘next day’, but yes.
#1318 – FG – that was a serious question to try to understand what is Obama’s “new style politics” actually mean, not just some slogan.
#1323 – Amigo, our Dear Leader, Mr. Kevin Rudd, campaigned on the policy that he will ratify Kyoto the next day and he did.
Finns, I understand, and he should be applauded for that. Rudd’s actions put more pressure on Obama to act once he gains office.
And for the record, the grassroots groups driving part of the Obama campaign also have great interest in slowing global warming. So I have faith that Obama will act positively on this front.
Sorry #1318 EC not FG
#1326 Amigo, you know very well “ratify kyoto” is a very potent symbolic gesture from a nation to say that it is committed to save this earth of ours.
Finns:
Obama’s policy here:
http://obama.3cdn.net/4465b108758abf7a42_a3jmvyfa5.pdf
Bear in mind that Obama will be appointed a good 15 months after Rudd. His focus has always been pro Kyoto and he has been scathing of the Bush administrations refusal to ratify. But the UN is now working on the next round, post-Kyoto, and Obama’s policy agenda is focussed on working with the UN on this endeavour – as is the Rudd government. He is clear, however (as you will see in the document) that he intends to make it clear to the international community that the US will once again join with them in tackling environmental challenges.
Finns – I do. I think we’re on the same side here. I am applauding Rudd’s action, stating that this leaves the US out in the cold, and makes me more hopeful of positive moves from Obama, given his platform.
Great link, Scotty. Vote theft can be neutralised to a certain extent by Team Obi’s 50 State strategy. No official word on what BHO’s War Room plan to do about yet.
Perhaps it would be best to table the possibility early (when HRC drops off) so that massive numbers of voters antsy at the prospect of democracy thwarted once again will swarm the polls on in Nov. like bats out of hell or even Black Butterflys from Hades.
Seriously though, be good to know how the Dems plan to counter this potentially disastrous prospect.
1322
Enemy Combatant
you’re so right, (once again) Ecky, my vices never leave me idle! But I ain’t no yoda yoda with the GOPs on a lonely Hill-side, but I’m not so sure about (L) Won!
Barack’s Black Butterflies from Beelzebub’s bum!
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
1323
Pancho
yer, but, yeah but, will ‘e sign Kyoto?
Go on, Pancho, you can’t answer that can you?
So dipso facto, ya man’s a frawd!
ya hear me, FRAWD!
Bitterflies and bitterpasta sauce. He’s a goner, and me and Ronron have PROOVED IT!
Finns – I note that Hillary’s plan makes no mention of international environmental agreements. Alongside populist bits like the gas tax holiday, I’d say this puts Obama way out in from when it comes to environmental credentials: http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/energy/
Mr Cool shoots some in West Virginia (and not a banjo in sight!):
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/05/13/west_virginia/
FINNS
Good afternoon FINNS . you should know better than put a real life policy question here to Obama supporters about Kyoto. There is NO policy committment by Obama to ratify Kyoto because unlike Rudd , Obama is captive to big oil & other interest groups thats why you got disingenuous answers back.
Will Obama ratify ? Talking Post Kyoto , a red herring doesn’t commence till 2013
As for WV , its another step forward for Hillary (although now tougher) AND another demonstration the great uniter’s majority base excludes whites, Hispanics , Asians & most cultural groupings in the US. Recipe 2 divide not unite
And now, for your political edification…..
WV IS GOING TO BE A WALLOPING FOR OBAMA!!
*plucka pluck pluck pluck pluck plucka pluck*
I feel like the town crier in Charleston
Mr whitey from West Virginia puts it nicely:
“I don’t think it’s being racist necessarily, they just don’t like black people that well.” For that matter, it’s not just his neighbors. “The arrogance and all that bothers me more than black, but black is a close second,” he said. “Our generation was back when blacks were the back of the bus, and it’s hard to change that outlook. I just feel like I couldn’t vote for him.”
…no, not ‘necessarily’, I guess?
#1335 – Amigo, Hillary is finished as we have been told all day and all night long. She is irrelevant.
I asked a very simple question. So please dont throw another red herring. I just want to know the policies of Barack Obama.
Well they are presented in black and white, above @1323 and 1329 specifically. I don’t see how this is avoiding anything, or presenting a red herring.
Re Hillary being finished – glad you agree
1339 KR
I guess that explains why Obama doesn’t visit much. They probably make him ride down the back of the bus.
Enemy Combatant
I think the democrats really need to get those Californian rich social elites to stop talking down to the party and move to rich areas in Colorado, Virginia or North Carolina and register as voters there for starters. As they don’t bother to rig those areas, its the poor areas they worry about
Fortunately the possibility of massive black turnout especially in North Carlonia, where the democrats have a strong majority in both Houses and the governship, should keeping riggin low should help. Similarly Arkansas even if Hillary isn’t on the ballot. Im sure the people of Arkansas are a little offended the Gop didn’t nominate a senate candidate lol. Other states like New Mexico, Iowa and Colorado have democratic majorities.
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Ferny Grover
uppitty nigga!
Fancy, not even stayin’ down the back of the bus, but he wants to drive the doggone thang!
Uppitty?It’s tha arrowgance, I’z tellin’ ya, the arrowgance!
China Daily has reported that “The deadly earthquake that rocked southwestern China and felt all across the country and beyond, has killed more than 10,000 people by early Tuesday, and the death toll is expected to climb as rescue efforts are intensifying”
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-05/13/content_6678227.htm.
I have been to Wenchuan County on the way to the beautiful Jiuzhaigou, Fairyland in Heavens. A real shangri-La, if ever there was one.
http://china.org.cn/english/TR-e/40786.htm
and the magical Huang Long (Yellow Dragon) mountain. “Huang Long lies in the south part of Min Mountain in Song Pan County, Sichuan Province in southwest China. It was denominated a special scenic spot of China in 1982 and entered “The Natural Legacy Lists of the World” in 1992. It covers an area of about 700 square kilometers. It has two parts: Huang Long and Muni Gorge. Huang Long includes Huang Long Valley, Danyun Gorge, Snow Treasure Peak, while Muni Gorge comprises two scenic spots: the Zhaga Waterfall and the Erdao Lake”
http://www.topren.net/travel/sights/huanglong/home.html
and the Wolong Nature Reserve for the beautiful Pandas. “Located in Wenchuan County of Sichuan Province, and covering an area of 200 thousand hectares, the Wolong Nature Reserve is a key nature preservation area designed primarily to protect and reproduce the grand panda. In 1982, it was admitted by the UNESCO to be part of “the International Reserve Net of Man and Biosphere.” Lying on the complicated land formations of transition area from the Qinghai and Tibet Plateau to the Sichuan Basin, and with a cool climate, it’s endowed with favorable conditions for the preservation and reproduction of a number of living beings.
http://www.chinadiscover.net/china-tour/sichuanguide/sichuan-wolong.htm.
I hope they, people/nature sites/pandas, survive and are OK.
1345
Thanks Finns.
Events like this tend to put things in perspective.
I share your hope.
Robert Bollard
There’s something odd about the whole Reagan thing which always gets me thinking that he liked to do the big Marxist myth but with a twist: not the withereing away of the state, but the shrinking of government to the size of the corner shop.
In other words, government would no longer be a ‘threat’ to those Confederates who’d never trusted it, but he could somehow miraculously ’shrink’ it to varmint size, and the trusty gun totting citizens could blow it into balls of fur at their leisure.
What was laughable was how he in fact did the exact opposite, but the rubes kept swallowing the Kool Aid and pretending the myth was forever there, just within their reach.
Delusional.
It was completely delusional, and now little Georgie Porgie has come along to prove it beyond all living doubt.
“In applying the GOP approach to feminizing male opponents, and directing class resentment away from the real elites, Hillary Clinton has gone beyond her more familiar adoption of the ruthless, sociopathic say-anything, dirty tricks politics of her erstwhile Rovian right wing enemies. She is reinforcing the conservative attempt to equate manhood with belligerence and predation. In addition, she is trotting out the well worn but still effective propaganda technique employed by this country’s actual ruling oligarchy of wealth — reducing class to personal style, taste, or the specific products people consume (brie versus Velveeta). Those who actually own or wield control over our shared resources are rendered invisible in this rhetorical sleight of hand…….
It remains to be seen if Hillary Clinton, with her Hobbesian hard-on, will succeed in turning the Denver convention into a war of all against all…..”
A fascinating read for sociologists, pseph-heads and students of rube finessing.
Disagree with Ducat’s Denver doomsday Dem scenario, expect things will be well settled by then, but some insighful obsevations nevetheless.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-ducat/revenge-of-the-wimp-facto_b_101412.html
Finns 1340: “I just want to know the policies of Barack Obama (re Kyoto)”.
Hey Finn, check this out. Hate to see a regular Bludger suffer needlessly.
You’d be amazed at how fast “the google” works nowadays. Fair dinkum, mate, it’s awe inspiring.
http://www.2008electionprocon.org/environmentalagreements.htm
Yes Finns, as Judith Wright said: we are born of fire, but ruled by darkness.
Nature, at once stunningly beautiful is also horrifically immune to our suffering.
Just as in Burma, we are but playthings to the gods, and they use us for their sport.
Yes, Scotty at 1142, if Obi gets up in Novenber(NB disengagement of hubris-ometer) an open Senate inquiry into voter fraud, 9/11 incompetance, Iraq, Katrina and that’s just for starters, could leave GOPpers swingin’ in the wind for at least a couple of election cycles. Maybe more, if Obi delivers as President.
In democracys, governments are at least theoretically accountable to the citizens that “elect” them.
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