Reflections on the Miracle of Democracy at Work in the Greatest Nation on Earth

Yes, (West) Virginia …

Democratic voters in West Virginia will today elect 28 delegates by some method or other. I can’t be bothered looking into it because the New York Post reports that Hillary Clinton is “toast”, and papa says, “if you see it in the Post, it’s so”.

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  1. 301
    Ron
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Dyno , FINNS & GG
    Dyno , the site below gives reasonable updates. As you are aware the Superdelegates ALL could drop Obama any day they choose right up to & including a convention. They are L plate endorsements (voidable)
    http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

    FINNS , with multidtude of blogs yesterday at one time ,did you get my 1 line ditty ?

    GG , when talking to k/r you said “gay abandon” , interesting choice of words

  2. 302
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    KR,

    What truth?

    Everyone who regularly reads this blog knows you flounder when questioned.

    You are just hurting your “brand” with the unsustainable bulldust about ESJ.

  3. 303
    Kirribilli Removals
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, right GG, and do you think anyone with a memory of Eddy’s greasy little habits is likely not to also remember you running around behind him chucking snot like a 3 year old?

    Well I sure do buster, and there’s no surprise in seeing you doing exactly the same thing again.

    My last post on the subject.

  4. 304
    Catrina
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Dyno at 297
    Obama: 290 (284+6)
    Clinton:269.5 (270.5-1)
    I.e. Obama is leading Clinton by 20.5 (or 13.5 if you exclude the Pelosi club).
    Doesn’t it make you feel all warm inside!!

  5. 305
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    KR,

    This is clearly something that troubles you.

    Obviously,, PB is your therapy of choice. (That is a good thing).

    You have issues with ESJ and myself.

    Fill your boots with acrimony.

    PS. If you want to look very carefully, I actually posted saying the naming of Jen was uncool at the time.

    Yeah, we all have a moral compass. Yeah, we all move on.

  6. 306
    The Finnigans
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Ron [#1476 - No , yous are the butterfly pixy variety]?

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/?p=853&cp=15#comment-151814

  7. 307
    The Finnigans
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    #305 GG – [You have issues with ESJ and myself] – dont left me out, i have issue with him!!

  8. 308
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    There is a tendency in politics called the trot tendency. Those of the trot tendency have no real policy and ideology – it is a tendency motivated by oppositionism and spite.

    But when politics plays itself out the trots always get sent packing – so when in doubt always pick the opposite side to trot tendency. IMHO the heavy trot backing for Obama is proof that in the end John Sydney McCain will be President.

    Kirri, truly I dont mind your contributions – I just find they are not very original – after all anybody can (with a certain intelligence) look up the WAPO or NYT – its just the one idea you seem to have is we are about to witness the next great depression – its just a little tired for the 9000th time.

  9. 309
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Finns,

    KR only hates you because you exist. (a flea biting the Pope in Rome)

    KR hates ESJ (and now apparently me) because we stand up to him.

    But you can upgrade yourself.

  10. 310
    Pancho
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    “Three former chairmen of the Securities and Exchange Commission will publicly endorse Democratic Sen. Barack Obama’s bid for the presidency Wednesday, including one who served under President Bush.

    William Donaldson, who was SEC chairman for about 2½ years from early 2003, along with Clinton and Reagan appointees Arthur Levitt and David Ruder, will join former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker in endorsing Sen. Obama, his campaign said. Mr. Volcker endorsed Sen. Obama in January.”
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121073227421390697.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

  11. 311
    Kirribilli Removals
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Oh, I’m a ‘trot’ now! LOL

    God you’re a sad sick old bloviating piece of work!

    You, on the other hand, come here for one reason only.

    Like a dog to its vomit, that’s you Eddy…greasy.

  12. 312
    Kirribilli Removals
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    310
    Pancho

    yeah, more ‘racists’ trying to hide it by endorsing the black guy.

    There must be an epidemic of that going around.

  13. 313
    Kirribilli Removals
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Hey, I don’t even read the WAPO! LOL

  14. 314
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Okay, I think we’ve all had our say about each other now.

  15. 315
    The Finnigans
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    #309 – [KR only hates you because you exist] – No, GG, he hates me because i caught him out. He tried to big note himself on Bahasa Indonesia, and i call him bluff as a:

    http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=55wWiFi6BFo

    My god, just love this song.

  16. 316
    Pancho
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Obama picks up 2 more SDs, Democrats Abroad Chair Christine Schon Marques and Indiana Rep. Pete Visclosky. From http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/14/obama-starts-wednesday-with-two-new-supers/.

    I think the most important question here – and it is something I have been pondering over a few days because it has been a recurring theme – is who are these SDs making their pledges at 4 in the morning?

  17. 317
    Greeensborough Growler
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    OK Finns,

    We’ll add your name to the execution list, on your request.

  18. 318
    The Finnigans
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    GG, like a badge of honour my friend.

  19. 319
    WorkToRule
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Pancho

    It would be nice to think they were lying in bed – staring at the ceiling and were just struck with the overwhelming need to endorse Obama.

    I’d expect the supers put their news release in early to get a good run on the breakfast news cycle.

    Should be another couple to for evening cycle if the Obama machine is running to form.

  20. 320
    Dyno
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the update, Catrina.
    As someone who is ambivalent about all three candidates it doesn’t make me feel anything much, actually, but I would observe that the SD flow is the surest sign that Obama’s got the nomination in the bag.
    It will take “being caught with a dead girl or a live boy” (or some equivalently scandalous revelation) for the SDs to be willing to risk their careers by unseating him now. Hillary clearly knows it too.

  21. 321
    Ron
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    FINNS

    #306

    No Amigo , it was re your (& my) anguish of the earthquake in China

    Ron #1362
    TO FINNS
    Well I tried real hard to focus on the economic garble conversation here trying to avoid writing a ditty of China thought to you so I’ll leave you my immediate thoughts when seeing your blog , which would have been the dittys last line from a friend

    ‘the heart fills with sadness , as little bit me is lost’

  22. 322
    Chris B
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    For those of you who missed the by election results in Mississippi today here is part of what you would find on the Votemaster. The Republicans got slaughtered. By my estimation a swing of more than 30%

    The MS-01 loss is especially painful to the GOP for three reasons. First, the Republicans tried very, very hard here, pouring in huge amounts of money and having Gov. Haley Barbour and Vice President Dick Cheney campaign for Davis. Second, in IL-14 and LA-06 they could argue they had flawed candidates. That doesn’t hold here. Greg Davis is a popular mayor who has done a good job and has never been involved in any scandals. Third, this election was the second field test of the Republicans’ November strategy, which they rolled out against Cazayoux and refined here. They ran ads bitterly attacking Childers as a close associate and fellow traveler of Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi. They called him a LIBERAL (them’s fightin’ words in Mississippi). They said he didn’t represent Mississippi values. They tried everything. It didn’t work.

    At this point NRCC chairman Tom Cole (R-OK) is probably sweating bullets. He has hardly any money left and the only arrow in his quiver is calling Democrats tax-and-spend liberals. If that doesn’t work in R+7 districts (LA-06) and R+10 districts (MS-01) what’s going to happen in swing districts like AZ-01, FL-15, IL-11, IL-18, MN-03, NJ-07, NY-29, OH-15, OH-16, VA-01, and VA-11, all of which are Republican-held open seats that are R+5 or less?

    http://www.electoral-vote.com

  23. 323
    The Finnigans
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    #321 – tq ron. was a little upset yesterday.

  24. 324
    Chris B
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Votemaster is due to update so you may have to go back to the previous day.

  25. 325
    Chris B
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    It doesn’t matter how much spin people put on it, and the will, it just adds up to one thing. Oblivion.

  26. 326
    Chris B
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Spell check: They will.

  27. 327
    Ferny Grover
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    Good evening bludgers,
    Just got home from a long day to peruse the events in the US.

    It appears there’s been one more SD endorse The Kid sine earlier today, taking Obama’s SD lead to 12/

    The headlines around the US seem to be sayng….

    HILLARY HAS COMLETELY FLOGGED OBAMA IN WV!!

    …….BUT WHO CARES!!

  28. 328
    Enemy Combatant
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Good evening, everyone,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or0eZYbvHiU

    When they can’t cut the mustard, they Custer Muster.

    Popular vote: BHO, check, ding!
    Delegate count: BHO, check, ding!
    Super Delegate count: BHO, check, ding!
    Three recent House wins in Gingrichville: check, ding!
    The Big MO: BHO, check, ding!

    Sirs, it would appear that your GOPper-Express credit card is no longer valid. Do you have some other form of legal tender?

    And Gentleman Growler and Eddy Eslowpoke, when you’re asked for some collateral, there’s no need to pull down your pants.

  29. 329
    Don Wigan
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for that info #322, Chris B. It confirms that the 2006 elections were much more than a protest vote. Voters seem permanently disillusioned with the incompetence, greed and corruption evident in the Bush regime. It extends beyond the mess created in Iraq, although that was clearly the starting point.

    The media ownership has been in close cahoots with the Bush-Rove-Cheney agenda from the beginning. But there are many voters and potential voters that don’t believe them any more than the Government. So while racism is probably still a concern in the US, it is improbable that blatant appeals to red-neckery and Bible-toting will get many more votes.

    Obama is clearly right in aiming for a new era. It is simply not credible that McCain, who wants to continue the Iraq debacle and has no known economic policies, will beat Obama by appealing to prejudice.

    Obama will beat him a lot easier than he has beaten Hillary, who carried some sentiment from the Clinton era plus being the first female candidate.

  30. 330
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Don which swing states will Obama win?

  31. 331
    Ron
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Chris B

    ‘oz’ voters distinguish between State & Federal governments (Labor held most States throughout most of Howard’s 10 year, kept electing Labor at State & Howard at Federal. Bush is on the nose in the US and the Polls show it.

    However McCain Polls are strong (showing him easily beating Obama , whilst Hillary beating him). part of the reason is McCain for over 3 years makes regular TV interviews and in the main bags Bush on policy which has insulated him signicantly from the anti Bush sentiment (the fact he doen’t like Bush may be an added incentive for him). As for Obama , the kid , all kids are L”" platers

  32. 332
    Pancho
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    EC, come across this one yet? http://wpcomics.washingtonpost.com/client/wpc/ta/2008/05/08/

  33. 333
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Indeed Ron,

    Look at electoral-vote.com and look at the swing states – very few polls have Obama above 45%.

  34. 334
    codger
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    ron/Ron

    ‘did you get my 1 line’…alas, no; “gay abandon” , interesting choice of words…do tell…

  35. 335
    Ron
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    ESJ/ FINNS

    Involved in Political strategies. Don’t know how clever the Repugs are

    Take Economy , no 3 issue in US…..
    the Dems have had control of Congress , its their fault. house prices down, its the Dems.

    Take Iraq , no 4 issue in US….
    Unpopular , but Howard proved economy always aces in voters hip pocket , anyway not sure of its vote defining traction.
    ADD: Obama to pull troops out 60 days , 61st day , petrol to go from #3 to #5
    always good for the battlers votes & hip pocket independents

    Left out no 1 and 2 issues , the ADDS on them to, Patriotism (Wright) and National Security (which is the no 1 sleeper always , unlike here

    FINNS , no problem , some miracles with some kids mate

  36. 336
    Diogenes
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Ron

    I’ve got a link at 37 to a Rasmussen poll on this issue. The takehome message was that the Repugs are seriously on the nose. The Dems more trusted for the economy, government ethics and corruption, national security and the War of Terror.

    BUT McCain is not seen as a Repug. He is trusted more than Hillary and Obama on the economy and national security.

  37. 337
    Kirribilli Removals
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    315
    The Finnigans Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
    #309 – [KR only hates you because you exist] – No, GG, he hates me because i caught him out. He tried to big note himself on Bahasa Indonesia, and i call him bluff as a:

    ….You did what?

    When?

    OK, find the post(s)

    You are living in your fetid imagination Finn.

  38. 338
    The Finnigans
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Ron – [FINNS , no problem , some miracles] – yeah, what about Mr. Kevin Rubb and his $41B “slush funds” . How many elections can you win with $41B worth porkies? Brilliant politician Mr. Rubb.

  39. 339
    blindoptimist
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    308
    Edward StJohn Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
    There is a tendency in politics called the trot tendency. Those of the trot tendency have no real policy and ideology – it is a tendency motivated by oppositionism and spite…
    ….
    This sounds like an apt description of the WA Liberal party; at least, in relation to each other, their spite is unreserved.

  40. 340
    The Finnigans
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    #337 – if you dont know by now, you will never know. Go and find it yourself.

  41. 341
    Diogenes
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    ESJ (and anyone else ghoulish enough to participate)

    Can I propose an addition to our Death List, which was criticised as being in poor taste, sick and irrelevant to a political blog?

    We could predict the next politician to be assassinated. This would be quite relevant to this blog and provide an interesting insight into foreign affairs. Perhaps we could name five leaders? I think terrorist leaders should be included, as they are world leaders too. Just ask The Chaser about the famous leader they helped into APEC.

  42. 342
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    I always assumed it was Kirribilli removals as in removing John Howard now I am thinking it is Kirribilli removals as in a term used by the AFP for “removals” from Kirribilli House of the types you see on the news “protesting” outside Kirribilli House

  43. 343
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Cool Diogenes, I am working on it as I type

  44. 344
    Enemy Combatant
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Yep, Pancho, posted it back on publication date (May 8) with a comment about an Energiser Bunny in denial.

    Wed May 14: Street scene in Wheeling, West Virginia.
    http://news.yahoo.com/comics/nonsequitur;_ylt=Akyrgksmxq4xVlHMs6ij9zFL6ysC

  45. 345
    Edward StJohn
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Ready Diogenes?

  46. 346
    Kirribilli Removals
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    It had a smell to it, and yes, those shirts came prepared:

    Another point: Most of the media fell hook, line and sinker for the “Iron my shirt!” stunt at a Hillary campaign event in January in New Hampshire, where two scruffy male hecklers were clearly in collusion with her staff. (The signs — including one suspiciously permitted on the stage itself — were carefully positioned and lit, and Hillary had a pat prepared line to draw camera attention to them.) Those dorky guys, at least one with a link to a radio station, are far too young to have the slightest knowledge of an era when women ironed men’s shirts — or when shirts needed ironing at all! Businessmen’s shirts go to the cleaners nowadays, and everyone else’s gear is just tossed into the dryer. That hoax was designed to reawaken the atavistic resentments of older women voters — and it worked.

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/05/14/tarantella/index1.html

    …and watch the clip if you missed it first time around.

  47. 347
    Andrew
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Ron: As you are aware the Superdelegates ALL could drop Obama any day they choose right up to & including a convention. They are L plate endorsements (voidable)

    Does it get more delusional than this. Why bother posting this tripe on a site like this

  48. 348
    Kirribilli Removals
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    340
    The Finnigans

    Oh, that’s a good game Finns!

    Let’s see:

    I beat you at chess, and you’ve been narky ever since.

    I beat you with arithmetic too

    I beat you with actual sentences (many times)

    I beat you because, well, I just do

    …now, you go back and find the posts.

  49. 349
    Ferny Grover
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    RCP Sd lead has just been adjusted to +13 to Obama and increase on 1.

    Obama’s national average lead over Hillary has also been adjusted upwards from 5.1 this morning to 7.8 this evening.

    After today, though, I’d suggest she going to go at least till 3 June.

  50. 350
    Diogenes
    Posted Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    343 ESJ

    Shall we say five names this time tomorrow? I’ll need to sleep on it before putting the kisses of death on our great men and women. Benazir Bhutto would have been a dead cert at the start of the year. And there must be some other morbid bludgers who would have a winning list.

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