Comments on: Queensland redistributed

By: collingwoodlegend

collingwoodlegend — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:38:10 +0000

wot?

By: steve

steve — Sat, 31 May 2008 08:48:01 +0000

Latest roundup here.

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2008/05/31/brough-to-can-pineapple-party/

By: steve

steve — Sat, 31 May 2008 08:32:18 +0000

Agree Paul, but until very recently Brough was seen as the anti merger Presidential candidate. Even if the merger goes ahead it will be a different shape than had Spence been elected. According to channel seven news the debate the Liberals had on the merger was very lively.

By: Paul Nash

Paul Nash — Sat, 31 May 2008 08:26:46 +0000

My understanding of the current process is that ballots have already been sent out to the Queensland liberal membership. Brough and co will have to wait for that outcome towards the end of June. Plebisites of Liberal members in Fisher Ryan and Mcpherson have already confirmed strong support for a merger. The Convention will debate the merger but not vote on it if it is to be scrapped it will only cause more divisiveness for the Queensland Liberals.

By: steve

steve — Sat, 31 May 2008 08:12:24 +0000

Channel seven news was very sceptical if the election of Brough helps the merger cause.

By: steve

steve — Sat, 31 May 2008 07:25:33 +0000

Yes, Geoffrey a big win to Brough who seems to have moved a long way in the past month or so

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/mal-brough-elected-chief-of-qld-liberals/2008/05/31/1211654363684.html

By: Geoffrey

Geoffrey — Sat, 31 May 2008 05:30:05 +0000

And the winner of the QLD Liberal presidency is… Mal Brough…

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/31/2261251.htm

By: steve

steve — Fri, 30 May 2008 22:20:46 +0000

I can just imagine a reversal of gun laws and treeclearing laws, the scrapping of purified recycle water treatment plants and rabid opposition to daylight saving being the main credentials of the Pineapple Party. All these issues are on the record in Hansard of the Queensland Parliament as is the opposition opposed the building of the water grid. It will be interesting the day they come out and explain just what they do believe in.

By: steve

steve — Fri, 30 May 2008 12:30:20 +0000

Darryl, just a thought. If the Liberals stick with with the Spence-Santoro faction for party President and the Pineapple Party is formed, won’t there be a big temptation for the leftover rump of the Liberals to try to make some form of takeover bid for the Greens to professionalise it or some such terminology.

I can see the possibility of Liberals for trees, Liberals for forests, Doctors wives and the wets factions with assets, cash and bright ideas looking for a grassroots membership to manipulate. There really is nowhere else for the disgruntled to go.

Speaking of the disgruntled:

http://ambit-gambit.nationalforum.com.au/archives/2008_05_30.html

By: Darryl Rosin

Darryl Rosin — Fri, 30 May 2008 12:09:11 +0000

@Paul Nash “…i feel that Bundaberg as turned the corner like the seats in Western Queensland did after 1957.”

1957 wasn’t a corner being turned, it was the creation of a new party that took almost half the ALP vote with it. It was a state-wide political earthquake and when the dust settled a lot of rural people decided they were more comfortable with the Country Party. You might be right about Bundaberg but you need a different analogy.

@Steve/Ross Fitzgerald “Since Federation, the Queensland Liberals have never come close to ousting the Country-National Party.”

True up to a point, not least of which is that the Liberal Party was only formed in the 1940s. :^) That being said, the Liberals beat the Country Party on primary votes at every election from 1950 to 1974. The Country Party’s state average primary over this period was a whopping 20%. In 77 and 80 they only beat the Libs by under 2%, they don’t dominate the vote until the split in 83 and the Libs drop from 27% to 15%.

Seats won is a different matter and that’s where the malapportionment comes into play. The Libs were satisfied with a system where they beat the CP on votes but got 6 or 7 fewer seats and a few ministries. The Nats stretched out their lead at the 74 and 80 redistributions then realised they could dispense with the empty husk that was and is the Qld Liberals.

The Qld Libs are rightly damned by their history and show no sign at all of shaking it off. Maybe my kids and their friends will have a go at fixing it.