The Democratic primaries campaign limps on: Puerto Rico on Sunday, Montana and South Dakota next Wednesday (our time).
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Possum Comitatus
RSPCA would be down on him like a tonne of bricks mate!
Cat – both. They seem to create a feedback loop that reinforces each.
Out of here.
night
I mean – I can put together a brilliant meal for just a few dollars. And if I could proove my economic point then I’m proving a sociological point. If that’s right – then we are into all of this ‘change’ stuff – i.e. changing population behavior.
Cat
Butyou burn a few calories cooking and washing up after that fine cheap homemade meal.
No burning calories in the drive thru at Macca’s
Possum Comitatus
#184I “stuffed up the Systat numbering regime”
#194″aw, come on Harry – you could at least smite me!”
I’m HarryH , is that the same program thats got the near perfect prediction markets % success rate on it ? You did ask to be smite..d to repent
Its the great irony – the cheapest food is actually healthy food if you get into the habit of food preparation. But processed foods are only slightly more expensive, and certainly cheaper than fresh meat, that it leads to processed foods dominating the diet of the poor, which leads to health problems – as well as intergenerational effects where kids grow up not knowing how to prepare healthy food.. so it continues on and on. Add to that the cultural framing of fastfood being not only normal, but somehow socially superior – if you’re a fat, poor 13 year old kid, that’s the kind of message your ears are going to be pricked to hearing.
Gotta dash – till tomorrow folks, adious
Did McCain really vote for Al Gore in 2000? Or was he just pretending? Read what Josh and Toby heard at dinner…..What a hoot!
http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2008/05/josh-and-toby-w.html
HarryH at 205
Yes – I agree – but I object. Just on principal, going through the motions, creating something terrific, the ingredients, the aroma, the process, the drama, the execution – these are things that create the moment – and then the taste, the garnish, the smiles, the compliments, at least a couple of people asking for more, and every plate at the end of the night is as clean as a whistle.
*sigh*
Possum
#207
“Add to that the cultural framing of fastfood being not only normal, but somehow socially superior”
’socially superior’ ? what a gem of words , to pass onto the Ivory tower set to explain their socially ’superior thinking’ as they much caviar big Macs. They ill just love that. Told you Robert that wok excluded you from the ‘elitist’ set
210 Catrina
Do you home deliver?….and carry more than $20 in change?
HarryH at 212
Are you trying to sweet talk me?
I want it on record that that I accept nothing less that a $100 bill when we start talking about loose change!
*pout*
What is the message here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0
And Hillary is accountable.
Pat Buchanan on Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/24828125#24828125
I love these moments …
#149 – Robert Bollard Says: [I can’t get over the fact that a Governor of Kansas is named after a Finnish composer] – RB, just for the record, i did not have SEX with that woman’s mother. I did put a SAX as the fifth harmony just above the 5/12 line.
It appears dear ol’ Mumble and Simon Jackman can only see doom for the Obama campaign:
http://www.mumble.com.au/
http://jackman.stanford.edu/blog/?p=744
The reason? He’s black! I guess all those who voted for him in the primaries hadn’t noticed.
So much for the Hillarious line that Obama is not electable. Survey USA posts Obama with a 48/39 advantage over McCain in a straight 2-way choice. The onslaught is coming: bye bye to the Republican era.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=b03c08ab-30b9-463d-8be2-5cb118e05b74
Re Mumble: and before GG, Finns and Ron get too excitied by Mumble’s opinion, he never gave Hillary any chance of beating the Republicans either (or of McCain winning the GOP nomination).
FG, couple of points. First, Mumble was betting on the Huckster to be next President earlier this year. Second, his piece seems an outsider looking in superficial analysis along the line of ‘WOT? A BLACK GUY?’, which most people got over sometime in 2007, and which also discounts the fact that Obama has won the whitest as well as the blackest states in this primary season against Clinton. Given that has rode through several ‘he’s a scary black guy’ moments so far (Wright, the ‘dressed’ photo, he’s not a muslim ‘as far as I know’ etc.) Mumble’s piece remains pretty shallow stuff.
With regards to Jackman, he presents a slightly more interesting case, but it is straight from the Clinton playbook, and refers just to primary support. It has nothing to do with how the General will play out. He lets his cards show a little in his last paragraph when he says “I’ve been asking people to tell me the states they think Obama will take from McCain”…and then links to (you guessed it!) electoral-vote.com.
Looks to me like Jackman got burnt supporting Clinton, and Mumble is talking sh!t.
Ferny, Mumble’s musings are just that: the speculations of an “opinionist”. America is changing and Obama’s success is a manifestation of this. Like Possum says, look at the data….
For those with an interest in historical trivia, here’s Centrebet’s odds from:
17 January 2007 – the top 6
Clinton 3.25
McCain 5.00
Obama 6.00
Edwards 9.00
Guiliani 11.00
Gore 11.00
And on 2 April 2007
CLINTON, Hillary 3.25
OBAMA, Barack 4.25
GIULIANI, Rudolph 5.00
McCAIN, John 7.00
GORE, Al 9.00
EDWARDS, John 10.00
“I have nothing but the greatest admiration for Senator Obama and would be proud to serve the American people alongside him.”
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/20080522_ready_to_cheer/
13 Harold
Thanks for that. The genocide in Rwanda is relevant to this election. As you know, the Hutu majority killed 800,000 Tutsi’s at the rate of 10,000 a day. Bill Clinton was fully aware of the massacre and did not intervene. In fact, he insisted that the UN reomove its peace-keepers given the political problems of “Black Hawk Down” in Somalia. He even had the cheek to land in Rwanda after the genocide and say that, in retrospect, he wished that he had done more. HE DIDN’T DO ANYTHING. HE HELPED IT HAPPEN.
During this campaign, Hillary of course has said she tried to get Bill to intervene which she cites as evidence of her foreign policy expertise. There is not a single soul who can remember her ever mentioning that the US shuold intervene in Rwanda.
Romeo Dallaire has an appalling case of PTSD as a result of what he saw and tried to do, without the help of the UN. He is a broken man.
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Ferny Grover
What Pancho said! LOL
Essentially the exclamation “but he’s black!” has been over cooked.
As one of the bloggers says on Jackman, assume most of the Democrats who will NOT vote for Obama BECAUSE he is black will just NOT VOTE. A very small percentage will likely actually swap parties to vote for McCain. It would be a very peculiar ‘protest vote’ against your preferred party to vote for someone so diametrically opposed as McCain, but hey, I’ll concede there will be some. My guess is it would only be a very small percentage of those who are HRC supporters.
Against that is Obama’s ability to bring out the young, the previously apathetic, the minorities.
Will he offset the losses that his ‘blackness’ will supposedly cause him? My hunch is yes, but it’s probably impossible to verify. Exit polling would be the only way to measure such a thing ie after the event.
“It would be a very peculiar ‘protest vote’ against your preferred party to vote for someone so diametrically opposed as McCain,”
Big Statement!
Never heard of Reagan Democrats?
Think mumble is correct is raising the issue of Obama’s colour, but I think he has gone too far. I have posted here about whether US voters are ready to elect a black (well half-black to be precise) president. The Dem primaries suggest yes, the polls suggest yes, so I am not as pessimistic. I think the Muslim thing needs to be confronted head-on as there is still misperception amongst some that he is a Muslim
Ah Gruffy, good morning to you.
Yearning for the good old days are we? In case you haven’t noticed, it’s 2008, and this is literally the arse-end of Reaganism, since the Idiot Decider, who claimed to be one, murdered it with 8 years of monumental stupidity and incompetence.
When you’ve worked out which century we are in, see if you can’t answer that question for yourself. You might be able to, with effort.
(And who said a little knowledge was dangerous, eh?)
I also think that Bush and the Repugs are so on the nose that Dem and independent voters will back the Dem candidate regardless of colour
Are there any odds on Obama’s VP choice?
Andrew,
Ben Smith has some interesting data concerning the muslim question. 10% of Americans still think Obama is a muslim, but 18% think that the sun revolves around the earth. You can lead a horse-brained moron to knowledge, but you can’t make him think. I don’t reckon this is one to worry to much about, when seen in this perspective.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
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Andrew
When 80% say the country is heading down the toilet, you get the feeling ‘change’ is in the air! LOL
By the way, these polls are at historical extremes, and for good reason, the country is in extreme distress. Everything from consumer confidence numbers to housing foreclosures show extremes, and all this against a backdrop of rising costs of living and stagnant wages.
Voters will be wanting to wallop someone, and the Republicans are already bracing themselves for it.
“Reagan Democrats”….that’s really funny, it’s almost black and white TV type funny.
The world has changed in a BIG way, and for the US, they’ve slipped off the perch on so many metrics it ain’t funny, so a crumby old cowboy like Reagan can’t just do the ‘aw shucks ain’t we the greatest nation on earth’ schtick and get away with it.
Even Americans are starting to realise they aren’t any more…and that’s taken some doing for them! LOL
Andrew: I agree with you, it’s not a good year to be a Republican running for reelection. The results of the recent special elections prove that the GOP could be in for a hammering in November. McCain is really going to have to run as almost an anti Republican-pseudo Democrat if he’s got any chance.
Kirribilli: G’day to you too buddy!
So, do we agree that June 3 will be the day Hillary concedes?
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Progressive
Intrade, use the 2008 Elections link in the left menu and then select Dem VP
KR,
Boo!
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Pancho
Many years ago I had a saying: you can lead a hippy to happiness but you cannot make him think.
Variation on the theme.
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Progressive
What? And waste a chance that Obama may cop a bullet between then and the convention?
Are you kidding me? LOL
Nah, she’ll probably weasel along trying to ‘prove’ she’s the best candidate and besides Obama hasn’t ‘won’ really, he’s just got the most delegates and…
(fill in whatever crap you want to! LOL)
I don’t actually think she wants the public humiliation of the convention discarding her, so yes, I assume she will concede before then, but not June 3rd. She’ll go fester for a few days, or weeks, but then, after sending out the signals, she’ll bow out.
Dying in Denver would be way too humiliating, but hey, she does ‘embarrassing’ pretty well, so who knows? Maybe she’ll do it, but I think her minders will have to sedate her and carry her away by then.
Before the convention is my feeling.
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Greensborough Growler
That’s it Gruffy, now put some consonants with it and you’ve actually formed an entire word.
Come on boy, you can do it, we know you can! LOL
Kirribilli: thanks mate!
If Hillary doesn’t concede on June 3, I’d expect a shitload of so far undeclared superdelegates will come out and declare for Obama(Carter, Gore, Pelosi etc).
Hillary supporters here, I admire your loyalty to her, but she’s finished, admit it LOL
Has Ron learnt how to spell yet? I’d take his comments more seriously if I could understand what’s he going on about LOL
Red State Update: Sayonara Karl Rove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WWNb1CBiMY
I’ve a hunch that Gore will not endorse anyone. Environmental gurus have to stay above the fray.
But then, I didn’t think Edwards would endorse anyone either.
I’m sure Gore won’t endorse Hillary: a lot of bad blood between him and the Clintons. He’ll probably act as the party elder and unifying figure at the convention.
As for Edwards, methinks Obama dangled the Attorney General carrot before him .
And Obama also signed up to Edward’s anti poverty agenda.
Edwards won’t be VP, but he’s going to campaign hard for Obama in certain places, and the Obama people think they can win North Carolina this time(Edward’s home state). I’d expect Edwards to be either Attorney General or Secretary of Labor.
FG @ 219,
I must admit I admire the tenacity of spirit that allows the Obama supporters to cling to their canards about their favourite even when confronted with facts and informed opinion to the contrary. It is highly amusing when psephological craftsmen such as Brent and Jackman have their credibility questioned and motives debased simply because they are out of line with the Gospel according to the Obamists.
Putting race to one side, Obama also has problems with religion (Yes, Uncle jerry will re emerge) and his drug taking background. These issues go to the man’s character. Experience is also an issue that will dog Obama. There is also the historical fact that depite the chagrin of the Liberal left, US voters keep on electing right wing Repubican candidates as POTUS.
McCain’s age is obviously a factor. Dissociating himself from the mistakes of the current Republican regime is another. Holding on to the Christian base that has supported successive administrations is a further problem he must address. Can he change things. Maybe he can!
The Dems may win this year, but at this stage it is too close to call.
The tragedy of course GG is that what was a sure bet has now become a cliffhanger.
Perhaps Hillary could be persuaded as Special Roving Ambassador for Mis-spokenness. Toss in a few sweeteners; Air Force 3, a “soft” Senate seat for Chelsea in 2010, and The Party picks up her campaign tab.
OTOH, she could be really getting off on the martyrdom trip. Stranger things have happened. Maybe HRC won’t get her motor really hummin’ till the moment of abject political humiliation. Some politicians seem to go to exraordinary lengths to gratify themselves in this fashion.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/05/26/when_was_the_1992_presidential_race_over.html
Just heard Neoconservative guru, Francis Fukyama on ABC radio distancing himself majorly from BushCo and doesn’t want to see a Republican re-elected, suggests Obi is the best man for the top job, and BHO as President symbolises America’s ability to renew itself.
GOPpers are so yesterday in tomorrow’s America.
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