The headline says “CNN projects Obama clinches nomination”, but during what in many ways has sounded like a concession speech, Clinton has declared: “I will be making no decisions tonight”.
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“No decisions tonight”
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OK Bludgers- let us unite.
George is going down. And if there is even one person here who wants to defend him then be prepared for a nuclear-like attack.
I can play politics with the best and worst of you – but Bush is indefensible.
EC,
I remember all that impeachment crap against Clinton. It was rubbish. And, this is no better. Tit for tat politics. Hmm, I love that change that Obama offers.
Growler!
How can you compare a tacky sexual encounter with the ‘pink-misting’ of tens of thousands of innocents?
Wash your mouth out and then come back to the table.
Jen,
Anything to offer of substance. Or is finger pointing all you got.
Pathetic is you.
ESJ,
why not impeach Bush?
The standard for whether it should be done is not a political one, it’s a legal one – and one that Bush/Cheney have more than met. You should at least have the grace to accept that as a reality rather than blindly barracking for conservatism. The reality is that there won’t be the necessary votes in Congress to proceed, but the issues surrounding the process need to be aired – not for partisan political reasons but for the sake of democracy itself.
It is in support of democracy that one time hardcore partisans have turned on Bush showing him the same level of contempt that he has shown the American people and supporters of democracy everywhere – Scott McClellan comes to mind right about now. I gather he has indicated his willingness to testify before the House judiciary committee in the coming weeks…should be quite interesting.
Growls, telling fibs about a sly blow-job at work is a shade of nuace or two different from feloniously manufacturing consent for an undeclared war that has mince-meated over 4000 American soldiers (not including Blackwater mercs) maimed over 18,000 US Forces and according to Lancet and Johns Hopkins peer-reviewed figures, over a million Iraqi civilian dead and maimed, and a couple of million “queue-jumping” refugees. Meanwhile, MIC corporations like Halliburton, Bechtel, The Carlisle group etc. have gorged their coffers on the profits from America’s Iraq fiasco.
A bit more info below on The Imbecile’s impeachment.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-kucinich-impeachment,0,2888706.story
EC,
let’s not forget the deliberate and illegal disclosure by the White House of the identity of a serving CIA agent – Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson will have their day…..eventually.
Indeed, Optimist, Jane Hamscher from firedoglake and Marcie Wheeler from the Last Hurrah will be back with bells on. Those two sites covered Plame’s outting and Scooter’s crash with much panache.
In breaking news, Barney the Presidential Scotch Terrier admits to dropping a t*rd in the Rose Garden
Dennis Kuchinich is outraged.
Jen says her hatred for George W is “Undetird”.
EC, indeed everyone at FDL especially does great work.
In the end, I think the real issue is what will be done to prevent a repaet of the myriad abuses of power that the Bush/Cheney White House has perpetrated – the catalogue of corruption is enormous and it will take a loooong time to repair the damage done. I’m the first to say that the EVERYONE involved in these various assaults on democracy needs to be punished, but even more important than justice being delivered is the prevention of future injustices, crimes, smears, lies, distortions (call ‘em what you want). There’s so much to do inside and outside the beltway – I’d like to see some serious media reform starting with the return of the Fairness Doctrine….might start to address the complicity of the likes of Fox News in the rancid juggernaut that was the WORST PRESIDENCY EVER.
EC when is a blow-job defined as “sly”? Is there an opposite to “sly” perhaps an overt blow job?
Optimist – because you have to win the middle to win elections.
ESJ, are you saying that impeaching Bush would lose the middle for the Dems?
Have you seen GW’s approval ratings?
I’m not sure what you are trying to say.
Jen
“George is going down”?
Have you got Clooney there????
Optimist,
There are a lot of people in the US who salute the office. Given Obama is starting from behind, it is not a good look to be onside with chuckknuckles who want to bring down the institutions that govern the US.
Tell me, who will it bring onside that is not already onside?
GG,
oh ok, I see. First you suggest that impeachment will lose the middle for the Dems, but now you ask who will it bring onside that is not already.
Don’t strain yourself trying to shift those goalposts will ya.
True there are a lot of people who salute the office, but that works both ways doesn’t it? Bill Clinton actually went through impeachment and left office with record approval ratings – how does that fit into your (for want of a better word) analysis?
Are you implying that any suggestion of impeachment must be viewed as an attempt to bring down the institutions that govern the U.S?
If so, why aren’t you calling for the jailing of Kenneth Starr or John McCain for that matter?
You should really slow down – shifting goal posts while running in circles is surely a health hazard.
GG and ESJ – you need to have a bit of consistency here and look at the specifics of the issues – this blind barracking for conservatism is not healthy for democracy. After all, aren’t we all democrats in the end?
Just to be clear, if you look at the record, McCain voted to impeach Clinton – he must have been trying to bring down the institutions that govern the U.S …..right?
Now, if you had T.V’s Fred Thompson as a candidate you might have an argument. The D.A voted against.
Oh, one last thing. You boys be careful crossing the road – the lollypop lady is off today and I’d hate to think of something bad happening to you after taking you to school.
Barack Obama’s victory stirs Mississippi ghosts.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-mississippi10-2008jun10,0,4691201.story
Optimist,
Pls explain, where I said this,
“oh ok, I see. First you suggest that impeachment will lose the middle for the Dems,”
Happy to be crtiqued for what I do say. But don’t tell lies.
Catrina You will be interested in the above article. It will be more substance.
GG,
I was lumping you and ESJ in the same box, an easy mistake to make, but one I’m happy to admit and apologise for. My deepest regrets and i beg your forgiveness.
Having said that, I note the speed with which you call me a liar and reflect on it with sadness.
Now, with that behind us, would you care to respond on all the other matters?
Oh, and on what basis do you assert that Obama is strating from behind?
Optimist you should be happy this is poll bludger and not an Australian greens meeting. Who knows what would have happened to you for defaming GG!
Optimist,
You are forgiven.
As you well know I am happy to join the fray that passes for public discussion here at PB. However, I try not to verbal people. I do get very cross with anyone who attributes comments and attitudes to me that I have never expressed or hold.
Qualified apologies are always pissweak.
GG,
I agree, let’s stick to the issues.
I refer you to the last line of my post at #1773
and my only line at #1774
Optimist,
The Republicans under George W won the last election.
Personally, I’m more impressed with principles than politics. “For evil to triumph, it is necessary only that good men do nothing”. I say IMPEACH THE BASTARD!!
I’ve agreed all along with the Center for Constitutional Rights and other groups on the need to impeach Bush. It is not a “political” issue; it is a Constitutional issue. He must be impeached and removed from office even if the proceedings don’t start until January. The Democrats chickened out on impeachment when they took the Congress in January 2007. That was the most disillusioning decision of the 110th Congress — taking impeachment “off the table.” It was also giving the Congress’s consent to Bush’s behavior.
People will scream about how impeachment might backfire on the election of 2008. But that was never the issue. The president is guilty of grave crimes against the republic and should be held accountable. He does not have to be found guilty in a court of law; impeachment has a different standard. Bush has committed crimes against the nation. There are 4,100 dead Americans and 500,000 to 1 million dead Iraqis as a result of his lies and deceit. The Scott McClellan book just drives home everything the Intelligence Committee uncovered. It is time for the truth! If Bush can keep the prospect of attacking Iran “on the table,” then the Congress should keep impeachment on the table too.
Thank you Dennis Kucinich. You once again demonstrated that you are the most courageous and principled member of Congress.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/dennis-kucinich-makes-his_b_106193.html
GG,
thanks for the recent history lesson – would you be kind enough to explain it’s relevance?
Just to be clear, the Republicans under G.W were humiliated at the last election – try googling the words 2006 /Congressional / Disaster and Republicans….
Diogenes,
well bloody said!
Optimist,
With respect. There appears to be a Bowe haze because the numbers you speak are mine according to my screen.
EC
During Kucinich’s speech i was pleased to hear him name all the individuals in the WHIG, which is the group officially formed to produce and spread the propaganda that led to the Iraq invasion.
If anyone cares to listen to the link provided by EC at 1745 you’ll hear the name Mary Matalin in the list of WHIG members. She is one of the main neocons who created the lie that was fed to everyone about WMD etc etc.
Her putrid husband James Carville is one of the Clintons’ , and the DLC faction of the Democrats, main headkickers. He is still trying to push Hillary Clinton onto the Democratic ticket by any means possible.
It is vermin like this couple that ties the neocons to both the Republicans and the Clintons.
GG,
my earlier posts –
“Now, with that behind us, would you care to respond on all the other matters?”
and
“Oh, and on what basis do you assert that Obama is strating from behind?”
Also, have you googled yet, or answered my question?
Optimist,
Obama is starting behind because the Republicans won the last election.
Optimist,
What are the other matters?
GG,
again, I suggest you google the words 2006 /Congressional / Disaster and Republicans.
Also Bush and Presidential approval ratings.
GG,
I’ll repeat my earlier post for you, in case you’re having difficulty scrolling back….
“True there are a lot of people who salute the office, but that works both ways doesn’t it? Bill Clinton actually went through impeachment and left office with record approval ratings – how does that fit into your (for want of a better word) analysis?
Are you implying that any suggestion of impeachment must be viewed as an attempt to bring down the institutions that govern the U.S?
If so, why aren’t you calling for the jailing of Kenneth Starr or John McCain for that matter?”
Optimist,
If you think it is important, then post it.
GG,
you wouldn’t be avoiding the issue would you?
As an optimist, i tend to think the best of people, but now I’m getting the feeling that you just don’t want to re-engage in a discussion that is beginning to unravel your rather circular logic.
Maybe I’m wrong, but…nah I’m not wrong.
p.s – have you googled yet?
EC
#1758
“a shade of nuace or two different from feloniously manufacturing consent for an undeclared war ”
EC: “feloniously manufacturing” , interested just generally what did Bush manufacture ?
Optimist,
This is written after my 1790.
1. The impeachment of Clinton was a crock.
2. The attempted impeachment of George W is a crock.
The only advantage is that lots of people who would normally be out molesting small furry animals are kept busy for a period of time.
This is a ploitical thing. It will only piss off people that are undecided.
GG,
you haven’t addressed my questions.
This ain’t Fox news and (luckily for you) you ain’t Sean Hannity. Now play with a straight bat or take your gear and toddle off the field.
P.S – Have you googled yet?
GG
Do you think Bush facilitated the dispersal of biased (stovepiped) and false intelligence on Iraq to help build his case for War?
Diogenes your mask of stoicistic reasonableness appears to be dropping.
Diogenes
Still waiting for you to name names Diogenes ?
Also to who did Bush faciltate the dispersal of biased (stovepiped) and false intelligence on Iraq to help build his case for War?
Diogenes
Still waiting for you to name names Diogenes ?
Also to who did Bush faciltate the dispersal of biased (stovepiped) and false intelligence on Iraq to help build his case for War?
Oh hyphenated one, I would have thought someone of your supposedly patrician bacground would know that the adjective is “stoic”. Zeno must be roling in his grave.
Optimist,
I have no idea what you think I have not addressed.
Put it all in to one post and then we can play.
Assure you, there is no attempt to avoid contact.
So Robert,
What do you think of your protege Mugabe.
You reckon we can import some of his Communist ideas?
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