The headline says “CNN projects Obama clinches nomination”, but during what in many ways has sounded like a concession speech, Clinton has declared: “I will be making no decisions tonight”.
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“No decisions tonight”
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GG,
just scroll back and re-read things in sequence. It should all make sense. I didn’t say that you were attempting to avoid contact – wonder where that comes from.
Also, have you googled yet?
If anyone else wants to take GG to school on this feel free, it seems the growler is struggling to keep things in sequence.
ESJ
“Stoicistic”? And I’m a Cynic, not a Stoic.
BTW Have you ever read a book that was self-published before? I’m reading my first one ever (It’s trying to convince me that the Unabomber was also the Zodiac, The author is clearly a wacko but I’m impressed with the strength of his conviction to publish it himself. It’s very interesting.)
This will not please the Hillary haters here. but WTF:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0610/p08s01-comv.html
Fnns,
Fark the Hillary haters.
GG
Mugabe was not a practicing communist. He espoused a variant of communism when he came to power but never put it in place.
Ron
The propaganda was inflicted on the American people, via the MSM. Colin Powell, Cheney and Bush all made statements that were based on false and biased intelligence.
historians in the future i think will reflect with puzzlement on how Clinton was impeached for Monica but not Bush for Iraq. I think the Dems have wimped it out
GG@1754
don’t you dare call me Pathetic.
You denounced Howard’s support for the Iraq War throughout the last election and now that Bush may, with any luck face the full reality of the unnecessary deaths he has caused you dare to play politics, and label the peolp who are prepared to face this (and me) as Pathetic.
In my book you have just entered Despicable.
I’m yet to see the detail of Kucinich’s articles of impeachment (all 35), but I believe it goes beyond the Iraq war lies. For one thing, Bush’s continued authorisation of warrantless wiretapping is likely to be a key part of it.
Finns
Perhaps the next women might even win a primary for reasons other than who she married.
Hey Jen 1807 – Not fair didnt I exclusively occupy that place marked “despicable”? Tell me its not true.
Optimist if the President does its not illegal.
Diogenes,
I am so relieved.
For a moment there I thought that Communism did not killl millions of people and oppress even more during the 20th century.
Mugabe had a variation on a theme. Not.
Apparently, we have to forgive the thugs that perpetuate this evil philosphy. (It is very middle class to do so). RB must be so pleased.
GG,
have you googled yet?
The Obama lovers here would not like this one either, but what WTF. As they say, there is still an elephant in the room:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/custom/today/bal-to.reimer10jun10,0,6808072.column
Optimist,
Exciting news from the front.
My chooks have googled and we have egg.
Omlettes agogo at casa growler.
GG…..doesn’t avoid issues at all……naaaaah.
1812 GG
Mugabe is/was not a communist. His regime is not a communist regime. He is not an idealogical mass murderer like Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot. He is a stereotypical power-obsessed African tyrant.
I don’t recall saying anything about Communism not killing millions etc. Why so touchy this evening?
Jen
Don’t get upset at GG. After all, he is being true to himself,as are his amigo’s.
Don’t mistake his support for K.Rudd last year as any kind of mark of progressivism. He is an old fashioned white, catholic right winner.
Rudd was his kinda guy.White, fully vetted, conservative, toe-the-line with the powerful kinda guy. Don’t forget Rudd was full on Hillary too.
Hillary is also acceptable to arch status quo conservatives.
Obama is everything that scares the living shit out of people like GG and his amigo’s.
After all , he could submit us all to his boogaloo, leftie, liberal takeover of the white world.
Where is the commo tonight? Doktor Robert where are you?
Come out Come out – the counter revolution is in full swing.
Optimist,
Tell me what it is you need to know.
HarryH 1818 – Id say winner is the operative word in your post.
Diogenes & EC
Diogenes: “Colin Powell, Cheney and Bush all made statements that were based on false and biased intelligence” Perhaps having your apple and eating it here
If Bush is guilty of of providing quote “false and biased intelligence , then are John Kerry , John Edwards , Hillary , Joe Biden & 28 Democrat Senators all guilty for believing quote this “false and biased intelligence” or are they guilty of believing the principal (not the minor) Intell report from 3 Intell Agencys of 100’s pages & photos they were supplied with showing Iraq’s alleged readiness (which I’ve also read) ?
2 horse race time at electoral-vote.com and what do we have?
Obama 287 v McCain 227, Ties 24.
Also, Gallup Daily Tracking poll:
Obama 48 v McCain 42
1821
good pick up Eddy. winner = winger of course.
your usefulness knows no bounds Ed.
GG,
you said, and I quote….”The Republicans under George W won the last election.”
I suggest you google the words 2006 / Republican / Congressional and Disaster.
Can someone explain to GG that pretending something is true doesn’t make it so?
TW and in South Carolina (one of the “new States” the hopemaster was going to make competitive) he scores a massive 39% or after adjusting for the black vote – 20% of the white vote.
Harry H,
You call me a right winner @ 1819. Bouquets to you. Not a catholic so another sterotype goes down the gurgler.
However, not shit scared of anything. Especially you.
Optimist,
Unless there is something I missed, George W won the last Presidential election in 2004.
GG,
Admitting you are wrong is clearly a phobia for you.
GG,
are you a DLP?
And the kiss of death from the prefect, Obama is going to lose.
Ron
The “stovepiping” occurred in the preparation of the intel reports. Cheney would send them back to be “sexed up” until they bloody well got it right. It was a calculated strategy to provide them with “actionable intelligence”. They knew it was grossly biased coz they asked for it to be.
The fact that Hillary, Biden etc believed it (or were uncritical) reflects the fact that even hardened politicians like that could not believe they could be lied to so blatantly.
It’s well documented in Legacy of Ashes and Chain of Command.
Optimist
Optimist “but the issues surrounding the process need to be aired – not for partisan political reasons but for the sake of democracy itself” AND
“this blind barracking for conservatism is not healthy for democracy”.
You really have gall talking about democracy after most Obama supporters trashed it by saying the leagal votes of 2.3 FL & MI voters should not count at all and no delegates should come from FL & FL. You are a hypocrite. Democracy requires always supporting the peoiples vote first , so your claims about Bush & Jeb’s chads etc have no credibility & no one should believe most of yous (except Al & a few ) Whereas I supported FL & MI and can call George & Jeb tainting democracy & George twisting undemocratically executive govt.
1825 Optimist Good one Optimist, shows you know what you’re talking about. Further to that there is a lot about 2006 on the Votemasters site. Along with the poll results that put Obama 6% ahead.
The link is on my name or here: http://www.electoral-vote.com
GG,
you said that (deep breath) and I quote…..
“The Republicans under George W won the last election.”
You also said that that was the reason that Obama was, in your words “starting from behind.”
Are you familiar with the 2006 Congressional election?
Are you familiar with GW’s current approval ratings?
Are you aware that the Republicans have lost 3 recent by-elections at Congressional level? Are you aware that those 3 seats were all formally rock-solid Republican seats (one of them belonging to former speaker Dennis Haster)?
Are you capable of admitting that you were wrong?
You dont win the Presidency based on the national popular vote Chris B, its like the Democrat Presidential nomination in that respect.
Optimist,
Not at all. Even the people who don’t like me here will tell you that I have admitted mistakes when factual errors have been pointed out.
In this case you have been looking at different elections to me.
Obama is running for POTUS. The obvious comparison for me is 2004. But your mind might warp to other interpretations.
Cheers.
GG,
do you stand by the words…and i quote yet again…”The Republicans under George W won the last election”?
Do you stand by your assertion that Obama is starting from behind?
Earth to optimist yes George Bush won the last election.
Optimst,
It is very clear that George W won the last Presidential election.
It is very clear that he had the majority of the vote.
These are facts, not assertions.
GG,
if you were referring to 2004, then why did you not simply say that George W won the last presidential election? Instead, you said that (I’ll emphasis this to help you) “THE REPUBLICANS UNDER George W won the LAST election.”
If, as you seem to be suggesting, GW’s win in 2004 is the reason that Obama is, in your words starting from behind, then surely you can admit that the political climate in the U.S is vastly different now than in 2004 and thus, you’re characterisation of Obama starting from behind is wrong.
Either you were wrong in stating that Obama is starting from behind or you were wrong in stating that the Republicans under George W won the last election – take your pic.
Why could you not simply answer my questions…
do you stand by the words…and i quote yet again…”The Republicans under George W won the last election”?
Do you stand by your assertion that Obama is starting from behind?
optimist I find you dull.
Diogenes
#1834
“The fact that Hillary, Biden etc believed it (or were uncritical) reflects the fact that even hardened politicians like that could not believe they could be lied to so blatantly”.
Yes I’ve read the main reports of 100’s pages & seen all the photos (not the poor summary report) and they are overwhelmingly persuasive. So are statements then by Bix chief UN-MOVIC weapons inspector & Mohamed El Baradei, the IAEA chief inspector
Why Biden , Edwards , Hillary & 28 Democrat Senators have been biled is beyond me. In Hillarys case its been politically convenient for the ‘right’ (O’Reilly) to do so for years, instead of attacking her on other issues where she has been wrong
Hillary admitted the vote was a mistake in 2005 , Edwards said the same thing about then. Obama in 2004 in that summer he told the Chicago Tribune “did not know” how he would have voted on the war resolution had he been a senator at the time
Iraq always was a sole Bush deal and no one else including any Democrat should ever have been blamed. Of course Russia , China & France didn’t help in the UN not supporting the Inspectors with stronger authority. But on this site its convenient to perpetuate the bullsh.t
Optimist,
You either accept my statements @ 1841 and previous or you don’t. You decide.
I have been very tolerant to date because I am keen to resolve an apparent misunderstanding.
GG,
why don’t you simply address my questions?
Growler- GWB “won” the election in 2004
JWH won the election here in 2004.
They then both went on to continue to commit one of the greatest atrocities committed by any western democratically government -the Iraq war.
And JWH lost the next election he faced, as will the Repugs.
your point is…?
And Growler-
just to get things straight here – do you support what the Bush administration (and therefore the Howard government) did in Iraq?
A Yes or No will suffice.
HarryH
#1818
“Rudd was his kinda guy.White, fully vetted, conservative, toe-the-line with the powerful kinda guy”
Only an infinity FL looney would say that. Fortinately in ‘oz’ , yous are politcally irrelevent. Julia would actually look at you in disbelief that you must be from the pauline group in disguise
Jen,
Australian forces are still in Iraq after six plus months of Rudd and team. When the military forces witdraw, there will still be about 1000 Aussie soldiers and navy people in situ in the Iraq situation.
My point is there used to be 1500.
Latest polls in the US show that the economy is the big issue. Iraq will be a side show by November despite all your umbrage.
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