No FuelWatch effect from Morgan either: indeed, their face-to-face poll conducted last weekend shows Labor’s lead up to 63-37 from 61-39 the previous week. Labor’s primary vote is down slightly from 53 per cent to 52.5 per cent, but the Coalition’s has fallen further – from 34 per cent to 31.5 per cent, their worst result since mid-March.
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346 Mr Squiggle – LOL. Good one. There have been some very funny comments on here tonight but this takes the cake. Well done.
Mr Squiggle @ 346:
WorkChoices MKI was designed to strip away conditions, take away penalty rates and lower wages. It was a govt sponsored attempt to allow business to run sweatshops.
Go and ask all those poor folks that got shafted by WorkChoices on the take it or leave it AWA’s BEFORE the safety net was introduced and how they are coping with increasing fuel, food, and ten rate rises in a row.
And if WorkChoices was so fair why the change.? Joe Hockey on Four Corners after the election admitted that some MINISTERS in Cabinet did not understand the full effects of the legislation they passed.
Mr Squiggle 346 -
The power to do something cheaper than your fellow human being is a liberating thing
Yeah, sure. I need someone to paint my house. How cheaply can you do it? Hell, why not become really liberated and pay me for the privilege!
Mr Squiggle,
A reverse auction on pay and conditions is your idea of a “fair go”?
Fair for who, the person who bids lowest? The less he earns, the fairer for him? Fairer for him because he bided the cheapest while others miss out because they didn’t bid low enough?
I say it was designed “fair” to the employer only. While being calculatedly unjust to every employee compelled to either bid themselves into penury, or have nothing.
The race to the bottom (I believe) was Howard’s Third World economic ideal. Third World workplaces, with Third World pay and conditions and Third World workplace safety standards.
With an entrenched 19th-century Master-and-Servant style of executive tyranny to boot.
It was mockingly nicknamed SerfChoices for a number of excellent reasons.
Thank god the majority of Australians have a little bit more moral fibre than Squiggle, and that’s about all we need to say – let’s not rehash Workchoices.
Despite all the advertising, the power of encumbancy and a cult of personality not seen in Australia for decades, it wasn’t enough to cover the smell of rotting prawns on Boxing Day.
Australia made it’s choice – let’s move on.
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MayoFeral
He he.
Forget about the price of oil and global warming. The SA version of Barcelona Tonight have solved the problem. Just add a gizmo that turns water into hydrogen by hydrolysis and feed it into the engine air intake. According to their ultra lo-tech, completely unverified test, a car fitted with this device used only a quarter of the petrol of the control over 100km, disproving a fundamental law of physics in the process. They even had a Melbourne professor verify that hydrogen was the fuel of the future though his introduction was designed to make you believe he was actually endorsing the gizmo. I assume this male bovine excreta won’t be aired in Victoria so the poor bugger may never know how he’s been used.
And they have the hide to call others shonks!!
Bugger….that should have been ‘electrolysis’ not ‘hydrolysis’
Cool, so I can fill my tank with water now.
MayoFeral @ 358: There is available on the net a pdf guide for building exactly what those guys did. Now I have to admit that I have a copy. Downloaded out of curiosity.
Here is a link…
http://www.inethouse.info/user/bahalaka/2008/05/26/run_your_car_with_water/
There is a very funny statement left in the comments section about it.
Andrew Robb is a tool! So now Rudd should be going to China for the Olympics?
Yes Squiggle, well done, who would ever have thought of the concept that ‘work makes us free’? You are one of the original thinkers. Godwin would be proud of you for losing the argument so subtly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Steve, see also Troll,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
might be apt for Mr Sqiggle!
sondeo @ 360 – Try it by all means, but the is no such thing as a free lunch. Alternators become harder to turn when they are charging and thus use more power which means more fuel. Give the inefficiencies inherent in electrolysis and power generation you end up using much more petrol, not less.
BTW-one clue the TT is bull is the claim that the blokes in the story blew up their shed with the humongous quantities of hydrogen they produced. Hydrogen doesn’t explode, as the Hindenburg disaster proved beyond doubt.
” Hydrogen doesn’t explode, as the Hindenburg disaster proved beyond doubt.” How did it prove that?
The sad thing is I believe Mr Squiggle@346 actually believes that. It’s a good reminder of why the Liberal Party are not yet ready to govern.
The worst-case event resulting from release of all forms of hydrogen
into the ambient environment is mixing of the hydrogen with an
oxidizer (usually air), reaching detonable concentrations, and
subsequent ignition producing a detonation of the mixture. The positive buoyancy and rapid molecular diffusion of GH2 means that any
release will quickly mix with the surrounding gases. Rapid
vaporization occurs and subsequent mixing with the surrounding gases
can lead to a detonable mixture if LH2 or SLH2 leaks. Should a
detonation occur, the resulting reaction zone is a shock wave and the
accompanying blast wave has much greater potential for causing
personnel injury or equipment damage.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/codeq/doctree/canceled/871916.pdf
Hydrogen mixed with air can explode.
357: That include salt water? Otherwise its just replacing one problem with another.
I note the Della Bosca “scandal” has become Rudd’s problem as far as the Daily Morongraph is concerned.
Now Rudd’s being criticised for having grand plans. Am I missing something here?
I believe they found that the Hindenburg fire was actually caused by combustion of the paint used on the zeppelin’s exterior, not the Hydrogen.
MayoFeral @364: I have no intentions of trying it. ! I found the link about a month ago and was curious as to how it would work. Then along comes Barcelona Tonight with a story on the very same thing.
At last! Phillip Coorey in the SMH is finally writing something that calls the Coalition to account for the current flood of rhetoric surrounding Rudd’s Japan visit.
{The Opposition at home has been ramping up the attacks on Rudd’s handling of Japan, but to the point senior officials in Government believe could harm the relationship.
Foreign affairs is Rudd’s great strength, and the Government can see why the Opposition, believing it has an opening, is trying to smash on through. However, deeper down is a concern the Opposition’s shrill rhetoric is being reported in the region and, said one official, “words are bullets”.}
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bold-move-in-kevins-nuclear-diplomacy/2008/06/09/1212863546340.html
Phillip Coorey? Gee, it was pretty grudging praise. Unsourced gossip mainly.
#371
From a look around the web the paint theory is highly contentious (e.g., according to Wiki, Mythbusters debunked it). Anyway, however the fire started it would have ignited the hydrogen unless the cells holding it could withstand the heat without rupturing. The hydrogen would not have exploded because there is no oxygen until the hydrogen escapes into the air, so it would have just burned as it escaped. But a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen or air would certainly produce a big explosion if ignited.
“For all the talk at home about Rudd snubbing Japan, Fukuda is far more preoccupied with his own survival at the moment. Wednesday’s Senate motion of no-confidence in him is exercising his mind more than any visit by the Australian Prime Minister.”
Wonder if Robb, Emo Man & Mesmeralda read that?
My email to Gary Morgan
Mr Morgan,
I am very disturbed by the partisan nature of your commentary on the latest
63/37 federal poll. Your comments:
“The Rudd Government needs to “wake up” to the economic difficulties facing
Australians and avoid repeating those mistakes or we will have a “recession
we don’t have to have!.”
are very difficult to reconcile with a poll that shows the coalition would
be left with 12 seats.
I thought you were a pollster rather than a commentator, and if youre going
to commentate, at least reflect the polls in some rational way
His response:
Thank you for your interest.
I always split comment from the poll result – as I did.
The reason the ALP is so far in front is due to the LNP Opposition. The poll vote will change very quickly – as was the case with Howard.
Rudd was elected because what I said in my letter to Shaun Carney – the LNP Govt was out of touch.
Letter to Shaun Carney, The Age – Separate Spin from Facts & Policy – The ALP Government Needs to get on with Governing or be a One Term Government!
——————————————————————————–
Australia : Paper No. 20080601 : June 3, 2008
Letter from Gary Morgan , Executive Chairman, Roy Morgan Research in response to an article in the Saturday Age – “Forgotten Themes” by Shaun Carney, Associate Editor regarding the ALP’s use of “Spin” rather than “Facts” and “Strong Policy”. Full Article ( PDF, Size: 35KB)
It is so important that the Rudd Government realises that Australia will be in a recession soon unless major changes are made on the “business” front. It would be a shame as the ALP Govt needs to be given a fair go.
The key question to watch is: ” Australia is heading in the right direction”, 49.5% (down 3.5%), while 30% (down 1.5%) of electors believe ” Australia is heading in the wrong direction”.
Yours sincerely
Gary Morgan
So there you have it “the poll vote will change very quickly” according to Morgan. So now he is a predictor instead of a pollster. Very interesting
I stand corrected on the explosive properties of hydrogen. I was told long ago that it was very difficult, bordering on impossible to create the right conditions to get it to explode.
#377
Morgan’s response also undermines his polls to some extent. If polls are going to change quickly then the most recent polls cannot be used as predictors, and if they can’t be used for that then what good are they? Parties make decisions, such as change leaders, on the basis that current polls are some indication of the vote at the next election.
Scorpio at 373, the huge problem with the Opposition is that in their desparation they OVERREACT to everything. The Japan issue is entirely of their making aided by the OO. They would be better off working on their alternative policies than reacing hysterically to things like Japan, Fuelwatch etc. Obviously, the media need to life their game, but we’ve know that for years. Fancy reporting on so-called displeasure in Japan without one source or shred of evidence except the shadow foreign ministers thoughts
It can get to a point where the dishonest spining of information by the MSM can end up being detrimental to the health of the country. By giving favour and support to one side of a debate regardless of quality they fail to address the truth of what is the real good and bad of policy.
Robb’s mindless attacks on Rudd does no good for the Liberal’s reputation overseas as it may seem they don’t support the ideals that Rudd Labor espouses. Rudd/Australia seems to have developed some good o/s credentials and respect thus the Liberal party will be viewed with concern o/s.
Countries will be mindful of the Liberals close association with Bush, Republican neocons and their attack on Obama and the Democrats. They thus continue to reinforce this negative image.
Can anyone imagine someone as incompetent as Robb as Foreign Minister?
Youre spot on Triton. Its like Morgan is hoping and wishing the polls will change. My reply to Morgan:
thanks for your reply.
i find your responses The reason the ALP is so far in front is due to the LNP Opposition and The poll vote will change very quickly – as was the case with Howard intriguing. How do you know the poll vote will hcange quickly? What is this based on? What about Rudd’s popularity- it was there from before he got into government, so you cant just blame the current opposition.
My point is essentially- I find your comments quite negative about a government that’s ahead 63/37. Telling a government in this position (almost a Morgan record) that they have to wake up is astounding, and putting a twist on the Keating phrase looks like a desparate attempt to link the two governments. The economy was struggling before Rudd won office, and Rudd and Swan have been very open about and aware of the challenges.
The bottom line is that your comments read like Opposition spin. And I cant believe that you would have made such comments if a similar poll had Howard 63/37 ahead. I think its obvious that some pollsters report whilst others report and spin.
PM announces Toyota to build Hybrid car in Australia:
http://business.smh.com.au/toyota-takes-hybrid-approach-20080610-2o50.html
Quote:”Grants from the $500 million green car fund could be made available before its 2011 start date to speed up production of an Australian hybrid car, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says.”
Maybe the other manufacturers will jump on board as well.? If the Aust car industry wants to survive into the future it has to embrace these sorts of initiatives.
The media can hound PM Rudd all they like over the cost of fuel but he is going to show them up in terms of defining a policy and then putting it into action. Something that was lacking in the previous administration.
Kina, I just wonder whether Rudd is going to have a go at the MSM sooner rather than later. Fuelwatch, the so-called end of the honeymoon and now Japan must be surely testing his patience.
I understood that the present Japanese regime wasn’t expected to last long and we’re flat out with domestic problems. Hardly the time to be forging long term agenda.
I wonder if Robb could find that out on google?
Obviousl he’s been there to get first hand knowledge hasn’t he? I mean, a flight to Japan wouldn’t stretch his friends in business to far would it?
The media introducing their bulletin with ‘Rudd’s trip to Japan to patch up relations’ is frankly laughable. I’ve heard everyone except Michael Usher say it, including SBS.
Oh, and Mr Morgan doesn’t do much to dispel any concern that’s he’s a bit of a simpleton there does he?
Dont forget onimod that Piers Ackerman spoke to a Japanese person on Sunday morning and apparantly they were very unhappy about Rudd. What a joke
Onimod, I say Morgan is more partisan than simpleton but I get your point
Andrew Says: @ 380,
{the huge problem with the Opposition is that in their desparation they OVERREACT to everything. }
Or come out with petty, irrelevant nonsense such as this by Tony Abbott in today’s OZ.
{After six months in government, one thing that Kevin Rudd clearly doesn’t do well is parliamentary oratory. Because he takes so long to make largely meaningless points, he runs the risk of not being listened to.
Last Thursday, for instance, the Prime Minister interrupted the passage of allegedly urgent bills to deliver a formal statement to mark World Environment Day. Reading a prepared text, he actually used the cliche “when all is said and done”. According to the prime ministerial speechwriter, “Petrol is expensive. It takes a big chunk out of household budgets. It adds to the pressure on working families. And it is not a new problem.” The parliament hardly needed to hear this statement of the bleeding obvious but at least it was intelligible, unlike his later unscripted answer to a query from his own side. }
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/yoursay/index.php/theaustralian/comments/wise_words_of_a_prime_gibberer/
Surely the Opposition have more worthwhile things to do such as reforming their party structure, develop comprehensive policies which engage the numerous challenges facing the nation now and into the future.
MSM outlets such as the OZ are demonstrating just how out of touch and irrelevant they have become in the current political climate and articles such as this are a classic example.
I can’t even begin to contemplate what audience they are targeting with this dribble and what is the rationale behind it. What are they trying to achieve? What direction are they trying to lead this unknown target audience towards?
{Piers Ackerman spoke to a Japanese person on Sunday morning }
Actually, he said a “Japanese speaking person”.
This imaginary character if they exist at all, may not in fact even be Japanese.
I have more than grave doubts that any such person exists at all and why should the “opinion” of a Japanese “speaking” person carry any relevance or credibility anyway.
It really just goes to show that Pies sprukings should be treated with the due respect they deserve. ie Totally ignored by any remotely intelligent being.
So unhappy that they’re going to build hybrid cars here. Rudd must go!!!
Piers ‘cultural attaché’ Ackerman – what a joke
387 Andrew – a partisan without credible reason is a simpleton in my book.
A rusted-on to either party at present is a bit dangerous at present – a good argument could be made that both parties have left their true rusted-on base behind at present. The difference is that the ALP has seemingly dragged theirs with them a bit more than the LP. I guess rusted-on greens are pretty much still in the zone.
It’s amazing how pies could interpret the current Japanese government attitude towards Australia from “would you like soy sauce and ginger with that?”
Scorpio389
Would that imaginary character that appears to Piers be like the one that was on the news last night with his face covered saying he saw Della Bosca abuse staff in Gosford?
What a joke that was, Chris Harcher’s (NSW Lib MP)
got gremlins in my computer! wasn’t finished
this is what i was talking about
“THE man who countersigned statutory declarations accusing John Della Bosca and Belinda Neal of abusing and threatening staff at Iguana Joe’s is a Liberal Party staffer and former One Nation candidate.
Christopher Edward Francis Spence, who witnessed all six declarations from staff, works as an electoral officer for the Opposition’s right-wing warrior, and MLA for Terrigal, Chris Hartcher.”
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23838594-5001021,00.html
TBH I reckon Della Bosca and Neal weren’t on their best behaviour that night, but the Lib staffer stat dec is a mighty big coincidence that’s for sure.
Has Dolly got a son who works on Sky Business channel? Just saw a pompus git who looked and talked just like him!
After a reporter at the Toyota factory at Altona had finished his report (all positive) about Kev’s hybrid car announcement, the “Dolly” look alike said, “we’ve just had an email asking if the new luxuruy car tax will be added to them” Code for “The Libs just rang and we need to turn this positive into a negative, FAST!”
Expect all newpaper headlines not to be about new hybrid car contract for OZ but about how they will be so expensive as to attract the luxury tax and none of the battlers will be able to afford them.
Get ready for the media feeding frenzy folks.
http://news.theage.com.au/national/rudd-has-too-many-grand-plans-oppn-20080610-2o4x.html
You would have thought Robb would have got his heat around the non-proliferation treaty by now wouldn’t you?
If India were serious about their need for our uranium and could guarantee none would be used for weapons then they just have to sign up.
I guess the LP are hoping no one looks deeper into this than their press release again….
#328 Bushfire Bill. I agree with you completely about last night’s episode of Australian Story. I turned off when they said she had hired Max Markson as her agent!
I suggest you put your excellent critique of the program on the Australian Story website, in the comments section.
#320 Charles, Piers Ackerman is NOT a member of the Canberra press gallery. He sits in an office in Sydney, and rarely ventures out, except to make gratuitous TV appearnaces. Perhaps it would be better if he WAS a member of the Canberra press galerry – at least he might have to come face to face occasionally with some of the politicians he slags.
And I have to agree with many other PB posters that this Rudd-snubs-Japan line is bizarre. Japan has only recently worked out who its Prime Minister really is, and its government has been in disarray (it still is, actually). It was sensible to delay a visit to Japan.
And anyway, Rudd seems to be one of the few politicians who really understands that China is the dominant force in the region, and that the China-Australia relationship is the one that really needs to be built up. I think the Opposition remains in shock that Rudd can actually speak Chinese, and can deal with China in a way that Howard never could.
Rudd should have made his first visits to Tuvalu and Kiribati, given they might not be there later in his term.
“Antonio Says:
June 10th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I turned off when they said she had hired Max Markson as her agent!”
Also now representing: Industrial Mediator – Mick Gatto.
It was “I dug deep” that got me. Clearly a hand-me-down from her footballing “friend”.
The idea seems to be: here’s this lovely Australian family, where Mum and Daughter are “best friends”. How dare anyone say different? No matter that little Candace punches her colleagues and acts like a brat. This of course doesn’t deserve the full Daily Telegraph “treatment”, but it doesn’t merit a half-hour of national TV either.
Some people have real problems, not just pretend ones.
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